Logs on 2025-10-02 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 19:50:51 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I don't understand how irc works |
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| 19:52:31 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I think I joined an erlang chat (using konversation), like I typed "join #erlang" and got a new tab and a MOTD. There are even people in the sidebar, but when I try to send I get «[21:49] [404] morj #erlang Cannot send to nick/channel» |
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| 19:52:51 | <EvanR> | it sounds like you're restricted on that channel |
| 19:53:02 | <EvanR> | like maybe it requires nick registration |
| 19:53:04 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Might be related to the motd line «Channel modes: no messages from outside, topic protection». But where do I message then? I don't see any info on that |
| 19:53:15 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Possibly! How do I register a nick? |
| 19:53:25 | <EvanR> | through a bridge? |
| 19:53:36 | <Lycurgus> | or maybe it's just bridged to matrix |
| 19:53:46 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Actually I wanted to try the real irc experience, without bridges (-: |
| 19:53:55 | <Lycurgus> | the reverse of matrix being bridged here |
| 19:53:57 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I'm writing you here through a bridge because I failed at that |
| 19:53:57 | <EvanR> | then you might want to use an IRC client |
| 19:54:09 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Yeah, I'm joining erlang with a real irc client |
| 19:54:11 | <EvanR> | and join #haskell |
| 19:54:12 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Actually brb |
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| 19:54:20 | <EvanR> | lol |
| 19:54:26 | <morj> | Yep I'm here |
| 19:54:34 | <EvanR> | ok this makes more sense |
| 19:54:42 | <EvanR> | /msg NickServ help |
| 19:54:55 | <morj> | So here I also see the line «Channel modes: C, no messages from outside, topic protection». What does C mean? |
| 19:55:18 | <EvanR> | no CTCPs allowed |
| 19:55:30 | <EvanR> | usually that's not how you talk on a channel |
| 19:55:41 | <morj> | I don't think CP is allowed anywhere be it ct or not ^u |
| 19:55:50 | <morj> | I mean what is CTCP? (-: |
| 19:56:21 | <EvanR> | a kind of irc message to do weird things like query people's client |
| 19:56:30 | <EvanR> | it can also do blanket announcements |
| 19:56:33 | <morj> | I see, thanks |
| 19:57:04 | <Clint> | it's how /me actions are sent to channels though |
| 19:57:34 | <fgidim> | the commands to register are here https://libera.chat/guides/registration |
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| 19:58:02 | <morj> | Thanks, I'll have a read |
| 19:58:15 | <fgidim> | getting SASL set up might be nice too https://libera.chat/guides/sasl |
| 19:58:21 | <morj> | Erlang is kind of fun btw, but I do miss typing |
| 19:58:58 | <morj> | It's silly that dialyzer can do some type inference and tell you the errors, but for some errors it won't tell which types or values cause them, just «this function has no local exit» |
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| 20:01:53 | <EvanR> | I've been following that kind of stuff in erlang, for reasons |
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| 20:02:39 | <EvanR> | it's kind of janky relative to haskell's type system, but also hypothetically gets much more complicated |
| 20:03:10 | <EvanR> | forming types from complicated subtractions and intersections |
| 20:03:24 | <EvanR> | not erlang, elixir |
| 20:04:28 | <dolio> | That is usually the problem when putting types on something originally untyped. |
| 20:04:51 | <dolio> | You need much more complicated type systems for the ad-hoc things people design without types. |
| 20:07:14 | <tomsmeding> | morj: looks like the identification thing worked :) |
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| 20:09:16 | <morj> | Yeah, I did identify |
| 20:10:15 | <morj> | I'm confused with SASL though. Konversation wants me to choose an «account» when connecting, but I don't think I gave out an account: only a nickname and an email |
| 20:10:32 | <tomsmeding> | did you register with NickServ? |
| 20:10:35 | <morj> | Yes |
| 20:11:23 | <tomsmeding> | you can have multiple nicknames per account |
| 20:11:27 | <morj> | Wait, I think the nickname is supposed to be an account and I misread an error message |
| 20:11:29 | <morj> | Brb |
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| 20:11:56 | <tomsmeding> | if you send 'info' to Nickserv it'll give you something like "Information on morj (account morj)" probably |
| 20:12:18 | <tomsmeding> | which just means that you have an account with one nick under it, and they're called the same |
| 20:12:20 | <morj> | Yes, it just doesn't allow to have multiple connections with the same login it seems. That's inconvenient |
| 20:12:30 | <tomsmeding> | oh doesn't it? |
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| 20:13:12 | <morj> | Yeah, it says something like «one or more nicks from your identity were not allowed» |
| 20:14:07 | <tomsmeding> | I guess you need a bouncer then ;p |
| 20:14:10 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Btw how does the bridge look from the other side |
| 20:14:15 | <morj> | Huh |
| 20:14:16 | <tomsmeding> | ugly-ish |
| 20:14:22 | <tomsmeding> | it works though |
| 20:14:55 | <EvanR> | we've seen worse bridges |
| 20:15:12 | <morj> | Idk, all of irc looks ugly-ish to me, but it has it's charm |
| 20:15:20 | <morj> | When I was young and reading bash.org(.ru) |
| 20:15:47 | <tomsmeding> | irc looks as nice as your client does ;) |
| 20:16:01 | <morj> | And none of them look nice! |
| 20:16:06 | <morj> | Except the web ones, but ugh |
| 20:16:53 | <morj> | I'm sometimes very close to starting work on an omni-protocol messaging client (for irc and matrix basically, maybe signal too). Last time I got stopped by the death of HsQml |
| 20:16:55 | <EvanR> | web irc looking nice? o_O |
| 20:17:20 | <morj> | I mean, the client on liberachat (or the one they recommend on top) is sleek |
| 20:18:14 | <morj> | So anyway, I'm waiting for either QtBridges and see how hard would it be to port it to haskell, or I'm thinking about making slint bindings |
| 20:18:22 | <morj> | Or just writing in rust with slint |
| 20:18:42 | <tomsmeding> | dunno, this looks nice to me :) https://tomsmeding.com/vang/iQqI4Q/Screen%20Shot%202025-10-02%20at%2022.16.45.png |
| 20:18:58 | <morj> | It has its charm (: |
| 20:19:03 | <tomsmeding> | ;p |
| 20:20:41 | <morj> | I see gtk is still the most popular gui toolkit on hackage, unfortunate |
| 20:20:51 | <fgidim> | a fellow weechat user?! nice |
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| 20:21:21 | <EvanR> | I mean what toolkit would be better |
| 20:22:01 | <morj> | I like qml more. Though I admit I never used gtk from haskell |
| 20:22:31 | <morj> | Gtk from rust was not great and gtk from c++ was really not great |
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| 20:25:20 | <ski> | morj : <https://libera.chat/guides/basics> |
| 20:25:35 | <morj> | I read this some time ago and forgot |
| 20:25:44 | <morj> | Practice is what makes you learn |
| 20:26:07 | <morj> | (And that's why I'm writing in erlang right now) |
| 20:26:39 | <morj> | Also most of the channels don't require registration so I didn't bother |
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| 20:38:03 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> hehe.. maybe matrix is not so complicated after all... |
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| 22:47:41 | <monochrom> | Not happy that the Integral class has superclasses Real and Enum. (I'm making polynomials that support divMod.) |
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| 22:58:28 | <EvanR> | implement them with error calls populated with double middle fingers emoji |
| 22:58:34 | <monochrom> | heh |
| 22:59:08 | <monochrom> | For my purpose, it is far easier to just make my own DivMod class. |
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