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| 02:56:21 | <jreicher> | I've never quite understood why Erlang has the "single assignment" concept (restriction?) and yet allows side effects in functions. That's almost a contradiction for me. |
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| 04:49:25 | <ski> | Erlang basically gets "single assignment" ("instantiation") from Prolog (which is also why defining a variable in each branch makes it in scope after, like e.g. `if 2 > 3 -> X = 2 ; true -> X = 3 end,X * X', is a thing). the immutability of data structure values (including function values referencing non-local variables) helps with transparently sharing (same node) or cloning (different node) values when |
| 04:49:31 | <ski> | sending messages between processes |
| 04:53:11 | <jreicher> | I understand the positives of it, but I don't understand why they would do that while retaining the negatives of side-effects in functions. |
| 04:54:24 | <ski> | main focus was concurreny and distribution, with fault-tolerance (and fail-fast) |
| 04:56:35 | <jreicher> | So the assumption is the concurrency-safety of side effects would be provided in other ways? I think I'm starting to understand... |
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| 04:59:46 | <ski> | it's message-passing concurrency, as opposed to shared-memory concurrency (which would be hard to do, with transparent distribution) |
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| 12:51:40 | <cheater> | ski: so basically, they ensure lack of interference due to side effects, by keeping actors very tiny, and separated by message passing borders? |
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| 13:02:34 | <cheater> | jreicher: i think one reason might be that, if you think about where erlang comes from, it was made to run on embedded hardware, not on general purpose computers. and if you look at the microcontrollers of that time (late 80s), 16 bit micros were state of the art. that means a very tiny amount of memory and stack, and very few registers. so maybe that's one reason to have global variables |
| 13:02:34 | <cheater> | rather than do argument passing. |
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| 14:18:01 | <gcvvcxvhf> | is this correct official channel? |
| 14:18:42 | <gcvvcxvhf> | I followed irc.libera.chat:6697(TLS) #haskell |
| 14:18:52 | <gcvvcxvhf> | on community page |
| 14:19:35 | <merijn> | As official as it gets :p |
| 14:21:10 | <gcvvcxvhf> | wow |
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| 14:29:06 | <EvanR> | I think I know this guy |
| 14:29:25 | <EvanR> | more of us survived freenode |
| 14:33:52 | <gcvvcxvhf> | me? where? |
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| 19:16:54 | <ski> | cheater : more or less, yea |
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| 19:48:56 | <gcvvcxvhf> | who's a cheater |
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| 19:51:51 | <tomsmeding> | the person with that nick ;) |
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| 23:29:52 | <dcpagan> | With regard to [Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.ContT](https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/transformers-0.6.2.0/docs/Control-Monad-Trans-Cont.html), is there a difference between using callCC and using delimited continuations via reset and shift? |
| 23:30:19 | <dcpagan> | Codensity does not have callCC. |
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