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| 06:35:36 | <Unicorn_Princes-> | i have a module A.B, and I'd like to re-export it qualified from a module C, so that I can do import qualified C; x = C.B.f; |
| 06:36:22 | Unicorn_Princes- | is now known as Unicorn_Princes |
| 06:38:45 | <Unicorn_Princes> | so far only figured out how to do it unqualified, i.e. module C (module A.B) where..; import qualified C; x = C.f; (where f is defined in A.B) |
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| 06:48:25 | <c_wraith> | You can't. Exporting from a module is a flat namespace. |
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| 06:56:31 | <Unicorn_Princes> | oh dear |
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| 07:19:52 | <[exa]> | Unicorn_Princes: any actual usecase for that? (mostly curious) |
| 07:27:40 | <Unicorn_Princes> | yep - making kind of a custom prelude (for a specific usecase). imagine i have System.Directory.setCurrentDirectory, and Conversion.Audio.toMp3, and i want to make a single MyPrelude module, where with just import qualified MyPrelude, I can do MyPrelude.setCurrentDirectory (since it's a commonly used function it's top-level) and MyPrelude.Audio.toMp3 (less commonly used, so more nesting) |
| 07:29:01 | <Unicorn_Princes> | basically this: https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch14-02-publishing-to-crates-io.html#exporting-a-convenient-public-api-with-pub-use |
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| 08:08:39 | <[exa]> | Unicorn_Princes: so essentially "import qualified MyPrelude.Audio" would be almost there, except you don't want to write the qualified import yourself? |
| 08:10:24 | <Unicorn_Princes> | yes, and "import qualified MyPrelude.Audio as Audio" is all the way there |
| 08:10:57 | <Unicorn_Princes> | only right now that's in an init file that is ran at runtime so doesn't get any compile-time checking. which honestly isn't a big deal since it's super small |
| 08:11:42 | <[exa]> | yeah I'd vote for init file approach too |
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| 08:13:39 | <[exa]> | doing autoimports in any other way gets a bit hairy, in rust it might be OK but here you also have small module-related things that change on the import (mainly instances) which could probably mess up stuff if done too automagically |
| 08:14:34 | <[exa]> | btw why have audio in prelude? |
| 08:15:04 | <Unicorn_Princes> | just so i can do Audio.stuff instead of MyProject.Audio.stuff |
| 08:16:13 | <Unicorn_Princes> | i dunno, maybe i shouldn't nest everything under MyProject... |
| 08:17:28 | <Unicorn_Princes> | (to be clear this is not meant as a general purpose prelude) |
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| 08:22:51 | <haskellbridge> | <doc> ...if you just want the experience of typing Audio.stuff maybe you could fake it with OverloadedRecordDot + NoFieldSelectors and a top-level record value named "audio" containing all the "exported functions".. the only difference now is that audio is lowercase |
| 08:24:26 | <haskellbridge> | <doc> (this would be extremely funny, to be clear, and uncertain whether advisable) |
| 08:24:43 | <Unicorn_Princes> | ye no sounds too dirty for me :S |
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| 08:58:23 | <[exa]> | +1 for not over-nesting |
| 08:59:48 | <[exa]> | Unicorn_Princes: to be super safe you might call your Audio with some project-specific prefix (MPAudio). Gives a safe default and people can import it nicely (as A) |
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| 09:02:36 | <Unicorn_Princes> | but then isn't MyProject.Audio just that project-specific prefix? |
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| 10:42:34 | <tomsmeding> | yes but it's longer |
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| 10:48:18 | <[exa]> | well, probably |
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| 11:02:30 | <Unicorn_Princes> | well in principle only longer by one '.' - i could rename MyProject to MP :) |
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| 11:20:40 | <[exa]> | Unicorn_Princes: like, the only thing that can go wrong there is naming conflict with some other library, but since this is some kinda usecase-specific Prelude I guess that isn't a huge issue, right? |
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| 11:24:33 | <Unicorn_Princes> | you may be right. hm |
| 11:28:01 | <Unicorn_Princes> | so say i have a top-lvl module named CommonName (so not nested as MyProject.CommonName), and i find the name is already taken by some (possibly standard) library i want to also use (or someone else wants to use both).. what are one's options in that case? |
| 11:28:44 | <Unicorn_Princes> | or what is the idiomatic way to avoid/deal with this |
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| 14:48:26 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> > If you want to run a secure client without certificate validation, use runClientWithStream. For example: [50 lines of code] |
| 14:48:37 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> If the author of wuss is in this chat I want them to be ashamed |
| 14:49:12 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> What's worse is that I can't even copy-paste those lines, because they use definitions from other libraries which I don't have |
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| 16:06:20 | <monochrom> | Sometimes I run a secure client without certificate validation because the server certificate is temporarily out of date or too new, and the server does not offer an "insecure" option, and my risk model says it doesn't matter to me in the first place. Now you can shame me too. |
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| 17:43:41 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> monochrom: What you're describing is exactly what I want to do. I'm shaming the library author for making it so hard to connect «insecurely» |
| 17:44:22 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> The biggest problem here is the idiotic web standards that require https even on localhost for webrtc to work |
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| 17:59:26 | <monochrom> | Oh heh then I agree! |
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| 19:53:32 | <tomsmeding> | Unicorn_Princes: there's the PackageImports extension |
| 19:54:07 | <tomsmeding> | there's also backpack in cabal to rename modules from dependencies, but that has questionable support from stack and is altogether a rather heavy hammer |
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| 20:14:43 | <biberao> | hi |
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