Logs on 2025-11-23 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 20:31:29 | <[exa]> | so if I have a function (actual (->) type) and I take it as a strict or try to save it to a strict field in a datatype, what does actually happen with that at the runtime? |
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| 20:32:55 | <[exa]> | (with plain old STG I'd assume it's gonna make sure that the function on the heap is an actual closure instead of a thunk, does that hold nowadays with ghc?) |
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| 20:33:06 | <geekosaur> | "strict" in HASKELL means "evaluated to WHNF", and a function is already in WHNF |
| 20:33:18 | <geekosaur> | (why did that get all caps?) |
| 20:33:25 | <geekosaur> | aiui at least |
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| 20:34:02 | <Lycurgus> | what client are you using? or did u lose control of u? |
| 20:34:26 | <geekosaur> | I may have overheld the shift key; not doing very well today… |
| 20:34:36 | <Lycurgus> | maybe STG bumped it up |
| 20:35:06 | <haskellbridge> | <Zemyla> There's a difference between a function and a thunk that evaluates to a function, though. |
| 20:35:14 | <[exa]> | now looking at the original STG paper they actually call everything a "closure" so even less clear :D |
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| 20:35:37 | <geekosaur> | the thunk should be evaluated |
| 20:36:08 | <EvanR> | a closure contains what's needed to evaluate something |
| 20:37:01 | <int-e> | > let a = undefined `seq` id in (23, a `seq` 42) |
| 20:37:04 | <lambdabot> | (23,*Exception: Prelude.undefined |
| 20:37:11 | <EvanR> | pointer to code, and zero or more other things |
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| 20:37:48 | <[exa]> | EvanR: there was a distinction between thunks that have all args they need and thunks that still need more (I referred to these as closures but I likely messed up the naming even more) |
| 20:38:20 | <monochrom> | [exa]: An example is that an unevaluated function can be an "unresolved" case like "if 1>0 then (\x -> x+1) else (\x -> x-1)" and then you force it to resolve to "(\x -> x+1)" |
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| 20:38:43 | <[exa]> | monochrom: yeah I thought like that |
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| 20:38:55 | <[exa]> | well I guess, let's Debug.Trace and verify this |
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| 20:39:16 | <geekosaur> | I think in the case where it's a partial application you might get a PAP node |
| 20:39:40 | <monochrom> | That too. |
| 20:41:28 | <geekosaur> | also note that in that case, the partially applied values will not count as part of determining WHNF |
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| 20:42:25 | <[exa]> | oh yes, PAP node what what I had in mind, thanks |
| 20:42:26 | <geekosaur> | the function (or PAP node) itself will be in WHNF, but just as strictness doesn't descend past the first constructor, it won't descend into function parameters |
| 20:42:36 | <[exa]> | so PAP exists in ghc runtime? if so that's great |
| 20:42:46 | <geekosaur> | yes, it's part of STG |
| 20:43:01 | <geekosaur> | doesn't exist above it, it's part of the STG evaluation machinery |
| 20:43:19 | <[exa]> | anyway the verification with trace seems OK |
| 20:43:23 | <[exa]> | thanks all :) |
| 20:43:41 | <int-e> | https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/blob/master/rts/include/rts/storage/ClosureTypes.h -- only 66 types of heap objects to go through and understand ;-) |
| 20:43:54 | <geekosaur> | 🙂 |
| 20:44:07 | <monochrom> | Probably not in older STG papers. You have to look for one of those "eval-apply vs push-something" papers. Or better, scrape the GHC wiki. |
| 20:44:15 | <[exa]> | yeah that's why I was wondering if the original STG intuition still holds :D |
| 20:44:49 | <monochrom> | One can argue: "intuition" holds, implementation techniques changed. |
| 20:45:13 | EvanR | stands in the corner with a mere SECD machine |
| 20:45:49 | <[exa]> | wait are these tags?!! <- nerd screaming voice |
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| 20:47:14 | <EvanR> | what is a tag again |
| 20:47:15 | <int-e> | yes but the heap objects aren't tagged with these directly; the actual tag is a pointer that can be used to find an info table, and one of the info table fields is its closure type. |
| 20:47:22 | <EvanR> | in this context |
| 20:47:36 | <int-e> | EvanR: you're it |
| 20:47:45 | <EvanR> | is it like tagged union |
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| 20:49:42 | <[exa]> | oh so this is an indirect tag |
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| 20:51:04 | <[exa]> | ah true makes sense, it doesn't cost anything to throw them int to the impl tables and we get inspectable heap |
| 20:51:20 | <[exa]> | *into |
| 20:51:25 | <[exa]> | cool |
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| 20:57:36 | <int-e> | The most prominent use of these closure types is for guiding garbage collection, because that'll often largely with pointers to a heap object and no further information, and then has to enumerate children and/or copy the object. |
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| 20:58:29 | <int-e> | s/often largely/largely deal/ (editing gone wrong) |
| 20:58:32 | <[exa]> | that's what the evacuate/scavenge "methods" were for, no? |
| 20:58:39 | <int-e> | yeah |
| 20:58:43 | <[exa]> | or no wait that got slashed later, right? |
| 20:59:44 | <int-e> | evcuate+scavenge are still the main workers for the copying GC |
| 21:00:39 | <[exa]> | I thought these completely define the pointers handling |
| 21:01:04 | <[exa]> | as in, no other info should be needed, hopefully |
| 21:01:18 | <int-e> | I think I don't know what your "that" was. |
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| 21:02:10 | <int-e> | [exa]: Well stuff like "FUN" looks at more data in the info table to figure out which heap object fields are pointers and which are nonpointers. So it's not *just* the type. |
| 21:02:42 | <int-e> | Stuff like FUN_0_1 exists for small arities to avoid this extra lookup. |
| 21:03:00 | <[exa]> | oh so it's a shortcut essentially. OK |
| 21:03:01 | <int-e> | hmm |
| 21:03:07 | <int-e> | I should use CONSTR_ for this |
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| 21:03:35 | <[exa]> | I recall some paper that did like 16 variants of these for all combinations of packed&unpacked things |
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| 21:03:52 | <int-e> | (FUN* objects are unapplied; the distinction is made to support function applications in the mutator, not for the benefit of GC) |
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| 21:08:11 | <[exa]> | oh these are for small functions, like PAP but nicely static without the extra metadata? |
| 21:08:16 | <[exa]> | if I got it right |
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| 21:11:28 | <int-e> | Well, not really because a PAP always has at least one argument applied. |
| 21:12:38 | <[exa]> | ah yes otherwise it's FUN. |
| 21:12:40 | <[exa]> | ok |
| 21:12:47 | <[exa]> | *phew* |
| 21:13:09 | <int-e> | While a FUN is basically just a pointer to a piece of code that can be jumped into once all the arguments are supplied and put on the stack |
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| 22:28:21 | <tomsmeding> | [exa]: I didn't read all this but are you accelerating again |
| 22:28:54 | <tomsmeding> | because yes, seq'ing the function you get from `runN acc` does compilation |
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