Logs on 2025-12-31 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 00:40:57 | <gentauro> | 19:03 < sm> gentauro, stack is better than ever - wasn't that a problem with haskell-language-server ? |
| 00:41:16 | <gentauro> | sm: I've just arrived at home after 39c3 so I have been out of the loop |
| 00:41:33 | <gentauro> | sm: but you say `stack` is the way (as it always have been)? |
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| 00:48:30 | <EvanR> | cabal is great |
| 00:52:05 | <int-e> | . o O ( there is no Haskell cabal ) |
| 00:57:30 | <geekosaur> | they're equally good, it depends on what approach you prefer: solver, or pre-solved |
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| 01:12:20 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> gentauro I'm just reassuring you re "it seems that "stack" isn't as good as it was before" - no, it's better than ever. |
| 01:13:40 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> also you linked to an issue about building HLS with GHC 9.10 using stack - that can certainly be done, but it's not automatic, projects have to provide a suitable stack config sometimes |
| 01:14:14 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * always going to work with no config - projects have to provide that |
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| 01:14:23 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> oops, irc #noedit |
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| 01:17:23 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> hls provides a stack.yaml but it needs updating (it uses ghc 9.8) |
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| 11:41:03 | <yin> | is it ok to have class constraints in newtypes? |
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| 11:42:12 | <yin> | newtype A a = A (C a => ...) |
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| 11:55:07 | <yin> | ah, i see nominal vs representational |
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| 17:06:30 | <Noinia> | Hmm I have some code that compiles into '<<<loop>>>' when optimziations are enabled, but seems to compile fine with -O0. Any suggestions for debugging further where the exact issue is? |
| 17:10:08 | <c_wraith> | that only sounds possible when a RULE is firing and the replacement it's performing is broken |
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| 17:17:32 | <Noinia> | hmm, I don't have any RULES defined in my project |
| 17:18:12 | <Noinia> | I'm wondering if this is a GHC bug; but I'm also somewhat stuck minimizing my code further |
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| 17:30:38 | <gentauro> | sm: sometimes I wished there was only one "good" tool (like `dune` for OCaml) and everybody used that. It would make things so much easier. |
| 17:30:54 | <gentauro> | However, I get the point of "competition" to ensure neither tool just lay back. |
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| 17:36:56 | <geekosaur> | it's also fairly limiting, though. in corporate development in particular, the stack model is likely better because it enforces preferred/known compatible versions of things |
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| 17:40:09 | <geekosaur> | (that said, if creating a "private hackage" were easier, cabal would probably work fairly well in that space as well) |
| 17:40:47 | <geekosaur> | but I suspect building one tool that supported both models well would produce something too complicated for most people |
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| 18:08:07 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> gentauro of course, we'd probably all like to have [had] a simpler haskell tools story |
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| 19:25:27 | <monochrom> | In principle, two programs for two models is equivalent to one program with two sets of options. The latter cannot be said to be simpler. |
| 19:26:56 | <EvanR> | do two things and switch between them with options and do it well |
| 19:27:30 | <EvanR> | is not the unix philosophy as stated but seems to defacto be the philosophy |
| 19:31:57 | <monochrom> | Maybe it's the Multics philosophy. >:) |
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| 21:24:57 | <yin> | the probem with the "one thing" philosophy is that "thing" is not well-defined |
| 21:33:21 | <int-e> | that's fine because you can still have a tool for each thing |
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| 21:33:39 | <int-e> | or two, or many |
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| 22:12:01 | <EvanR> | I think it was either albuquerque or atlanta, a billboard for "divorce lawyer and movers -- do one thing and do it well" |
| 22:13:22 | <EvanR> | another one locally which should have had that billboard: this place "pool tables and pools" |
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| 22:23:48 | <geekosaur> | now I'm reminded of a TV ad which had a pizza delivery car roll up, then the pizza sign rotated into (IIRC) a real estate agent sign |
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| 23:25:34 | <monochrom> | Do a pair of complementary things and do them well: Open a pastry bakery and a gym next to each other. (True story.) |
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