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| 05:59:28 | <Axman6> | Is there any way in a Haskell program to inspect live profiling/hpc data? Or does the program need to exit before the information is gather and saved to disk? |
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| 06:18:18 | <Leary> | Axman6: I haven't used them, but based on Matthew Pickering's talk 'What we have learned about memory profiling in the last 5 years' <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8HJiBI0lo> you want to try eventlog-live or ghc-debug. |
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| 06:30:45 | <Guest70> | What's the state of the art compiling Haskell to GPU these days? |
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| 06:33:24 | <int-e> | don't? |
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| 06:36:28 | <Axman6> | Probably Accelerate still |
| 06:36:34 | <int-e> | I mean there are things like https://hackage.haskell.org/package/accelerate but they're not really targeting Haskell as much as that they provide an EDSL for vectorizable computations that can be mapped to GPUs. |
| 06:37:40 | <Guest70> | Accelerate is very low-level, right? Was hoping for a bit of magic parallelism like futhark |
| 06:38:42 | <int-e> | Futhark, hmm. Similar but it drops the 'E' from 'EDSL'? |
| 06:38:49 | <Guest70> | Maybe they're similar levels of abstraction? |
| 06:39:16 | <Guest70> | Yes, I think Futhark is still meant to be embedded into your program but not the language |
| 06:39:25 | <Axman6> | I wouldn't call Accelerate low level |
| 06:39:30 | <int-e> | AFAIK and AFAICS graph reduction and the dynamic allocation that it entails is just not GPU friendly; the computations aren't nearly uniform enough. |
| 06:39:30 | <Guest70> | It hands off a lot to OpenCL though |
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| 06:40:27 | <int-e> | Guest70: the 'embedded' in 'EDSL' means it's embedded into a programming language (like Haskell), rather than having its own syntax, with lexer and parser. |
| 06:40:33 | <Guest70> | I should say that I don't want truly "magic" (take a normal haskell program and run it on the GPU), but I'd like to be able to hand off big pieces of work to the GPU |
| 06:40:56 | <int-e> | And at least at a glance, Futhark is not 'embedded' in this sense. |
| 06:41:21 | <Guest70> | int-e: I understand, but I mean that Futhark code is designed to exist within a larger program, written in another language |
| 06:41:44 | <Axman6> | Leary: Thank you, I'll take a look |
| 06:41:46 | <int-e> | Sure. That makes it like OpenCL. Or web assembly. |
| 06:42:04 | <Guest70> | I.e. you wouldn't write a "whole program" in Futhark. So "embedded" in the sense that you might have OpenGL code in your Haskell program |
| 06:42:08 | <Guest70> | Yes I think so |
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| 06:48:51 | <Guest70> | Anybody used Accelerate lately, and had good/bad experiences? |
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| 10:01:35 | <tjakway> | Didn't there used to be a haskell cafe channel? |
| 10:03:46 | <humasect> | hmm Mailing Lists: haskell-cafe@haskell.org and haskell-beginners@haskell.org |
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| 20:36:22 | <yin> | `any p . takeWhile f` will be trivially fused, right? |
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| 20:44:15 | <probie> | yin: I don't think it's trivial, but it should fuse. `any p` is defined using `foldMap` which will turn into `foldr`, and `takeWhile` has a rewrite rule to turn it into a `build` |
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| 20:59:13 | <yin> | great |
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| 20:59:19 | <EvanR> | I have an algorithm for drawing certain black and white shapes, but there might be an issue with it. First the algorithm: start with an infinite plane of all 0s. for each smooth segment of the shapes boundary, follow the curve and paint 2 rays going 90 degrees to the curve at each point. The rays add +1 or -1 respectively anywhere they go, depending on if this is the black ray or white ray |
| 21:00:04 | <EvanR> | after following all the curves, either forever, or to their conclusion, the plane is populated with positive or negative numbers (no zeros, unless you did something messed up like crossing two curves) |
| 21:00:22 | <EvanR> | which you interpret as the color |
| 21:00:34 | <EvanR> | the issue is, is this even an algorithm |
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| 21:04:53 | <EvanR> | it might also be just wrong, but I'm tabling that for now xD |
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| 21:11:04 | <EvanR> | in fact it's totally wrong, but is it even an algorithm |
| 21:11:30 | <jreicher> | I think it's a geometric construction |
| 21:11:36 | <probie> | Would every ball on this plane have an infinite numbers of rays going through it? |
| 21:12:23 | <probie> | Or are there a finite number of points on each curve? |
| 21:12:24 | <jreicher> | BTW by "two rays" do you mean one on one side of the curve and one on the other? So the idea is one ray is "inside" the shape and the other is "outside"? |
| 21:14:44 | <EvanR> | noodling it out, points might have finite rays through it, or infinite if there was a caustic focus point |
| 21:14:50 | <EvanR> | jreicher, yeah |
| 21:16:40 | <jreicher> | If you don't "step" along the curve in discrete amounts I think probie is right and that every point will have an infinite number of rays passing through. You might be able to concoct some kind of "density" measure though. incidentally this is reminiscent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_curve_theorem |
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| 21:16:53 | <EvanR> | not every point |
| 21:18:12 | <EvanR> | e.g. taking a solid square tile as an example, the interior has 8 rays going through it at any given point |
| 21:18:28 | <EvanR> | 4? |
| 21:18:29 | <jreicher> | Ah, no I get you. |
| 21:18:33 | <jreicher> | *now |
| 21:18:45 | <jreicher> | There was a bit of ambiguity about what would happen at the corners |
| 21:19:03 | <EvanR> | at corners if there are any, stop and start again in another direction |
| 21:20:31 | <jreicher> | So if the curve is an analytic function (very smooth) then you agree every point on the plane will be coloured? |
| 21:24:16 | <EvanR> | no, that was a botched prediction |
| 21:24:32 | <EvanR> | taking the square again, it misses huge parts of the plane entirely |
| 21:24:44 | <EvanR> | or you mean if it's one closed curve |
| 21:25:30 | <EvanR> | then it sweeps over the entire plane |
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| 21:34:32 | <jreicher> | Not just closed, but "no corners" |
| 21:34:38 | <jreicher> | ("smooth") |
| 21:35:37 | <EvanR> | yeah |
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