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| 08:29:59 | <pipsquak-bird> | any happstack users? |
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| 09:04:25 | <Axman6> | That's a name I haven't heard for a long time... |
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| 10:21:03 | <pipsquak-bird> | I just read a guy has happstack in production but too busy to upgrade the code |
| 10:21:07 | <pipsquak-bird> | works great |
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| 10:27:12 | <Hecate> | pipsquak-bird: A couple of companies have legacy HappStack monoliths yeah |
| 10:27:14 | <Hecate> | it's known |
| 10:28:41 | <Hecate> | Scrive for instance |
| 10:28:42 | <Hecate> | https://github.com/scrive/happstack-server |
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| 15:36:50 | <Clint> | anyone know why z-happy-lib-z-grammar is named that? |
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| 15:52:29 | <int-e> | Clint: It names the internal libary `grammar` of the `happy-lib` library. See https://github.com/haskell/cabal/blob/master/Cabal-syntax/src/Distribution/Types/MungedPackageName.hs#L57-L61 (and surrounding stuff) |
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| 16:00:37 | <Clint> | int-e: thanks, does that mean that happy-lib-2.1.7.conf should also contain z-happy-lib-z-tabular, z-happy-lib-z-frontend, z-happy-lib-z-backend-lalr, z-happy-lib-backend-glr, and happy-lib? |
| 16:01:18 | <int-e> | Clint: I think so, yes |
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| 16:02:35 | <Clint> | i guess i should figure out why it doesn't then |
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| 16:07:31 | <int-e> | huh but I get them as separate files instead, with names like happy-lib-2.2-l-tabular |
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| 16:08:35 | <int-e> | Ah, I think my Cabal/cabl-install may be too old. |
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| 16:11:40 | <int-e> | That munging is 9 years old though. Hrm. When is it used then? |
| 16:13:05 | <Clint> | this is my culprit: # If the package registration is a directory, choose the first one since the other(s) will be internal libraries that we don't want to install. |
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| 16:22:28 | <int-e> | Clint: Aha, I'm too stupid to grep properly. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7318221f |
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| 16:22:51 | <int-e> | (is what's new in the package db dir after `cabal install happy-lib`) |
| 16:23:59 | <Clint> | int-e: cool, thanks |
| 16:24:32 | <int-e> | And I guess ghc-pkg check is happy without these *-l-*.conf files. |
| 16:25:08 | <int-e> | err, never mind that |
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| 16:28:37 | <int-e> | (That may be the case but I don't know how to test that conclusively.) |
| 16:29:06 | <Clint> | i'll test it conclusively eventually |
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| 16:33:15 | <Clint> | i just need to decide on the best way to determine that #6 is the public library: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/40d467b2 |
| 16:34:43 | <int-e> | I guess the evil criterion is to pick the shortest name. |
| 16:35:06 | <Clint> | that's certainly tempting |
| 16:36:08 | <int-e> | (one thing that's evil avout that is that 1000-lib-1.0-HASH is longer than 1-lib-1.0-HASH-a) |
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| 16:59:26 | <pipsquak-bird> | beware the word monolithic its a java cancer term to mess everything with soa and treason better occam-pi rmox 9p.io or greenarrays.com or hek cachyos.org icewm and happstack.com |
| 17:03:07 | <pipsquak-bird> | I say vertically scale |
| 17:03:09 | <pipsquak-bird> | :) |
| 17:03:24 | <pipsquak-bird> | [[[ raises shields ]]] |
| 17:03:33 | <pipsquak-bird> | fire the mba and proj manager paycoders triple |
| 17:04:32 | <pipsquak-bird> | have king and fre castles n staff of course use flibe.com |
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| 17:04:56 | <gentauro> | does anybody remember a 3D "tetris a like" (web) game made in Haskell-to-JS where you had to `compose` "well known" functions to the blocks until you solved the puzzle? |
| 17:05:37 | <pipsquak-bird> | how impossible would it be to clone baldurs gate 1 or myth 2 soulblighter in haskell? |
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| 17:06:19 | <pipsquak-bird> | now that would be a real feat of magic |
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| 17:08:05 | <gentauro> | My bad, it's written in PureScript: https://github.com/sharkdp/cube-composer |
| 17:08:14 | <gentauro> | https://david-peter.de/cube-composer/ (the game) |
| 17:09:03 | <int-e> | gentauro: https://incredible.pm/ |
| 17:09:59 | <gentauro> | int-e: thx !!! |
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| 19:10:57 | <[exa]> | Is there some nice tool to collect/visualize the relations between package dependencies? e.g., I want to add a dependency to a package and wonder if it's going to pull a gazillion of other indirect deps or not (e.g. because they're already pulled in by the original package). Ideally other than "try with cabal", I'd love to have this in some kind of a script. |
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| 19:14:31 | <monochrom> | I just do "cabal install --lib --dry-run lens" |
| 19:14:49 | <monochrom> | or the "cabal script" equivalent |
| 19:15:19 | <monochrom> | "cabal repl --dry-run x.hs" where x.hs contains "depends: base, lens" |
| 19:16:33 | <monochrom> | Ah, the problem is if I already have built a depended-on package, it won't be on the list. |
| 19:17:28 | <[exa]> | yeah running cabal will usually soak in some environment (I guess I could isolate it, right?) |
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| 19:18:06 | <[exa]> | oh wait can I somehow just list all transitive dependencies of a package? |
| 19:18:15 | <[exa]> | b/c then I can compute the difference manually |
| 19:19:17 | <monochrom> | OK, my next idea is to actually install lens (as an example), then I use my own program to show the complete (except for what comes with GHC) tree, "cabalgc --deps lens" |
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| 19:24:26 | <monochrom> | In $HOME/.cabal/config, you can set a non-default store-dir, then it's like restarting from scratch (if you set it to an empty directory). |
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| 19:25:06 | <monochrom> | But then you have to set it back to the default after you're done. |
| 19:25:30 | <monochrom> | But then maybe you can do that inside a docker container that starts clean. >:) |
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| 19:26:29 | <monochrom> | "When confronted with a problem to be solved by a shell script, some people say, 'I know, I will run it in docker'. Now they have two problems." :) |
| 19:26:51 | <[exa]> | y e a h. :D |
| 19:28:12 | <monochrom> | maybe --force-reinstall helps |
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| 19:30:49 | <[exa]> | ok --dry-run --reinstall and then diffing it kinda seems to work |
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| 19:31:06 | <[exa]> | --force-reinstall has some scary extra package-breaking semantics |
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| 19:50:13 | <[exa]> | monochrom: ok it looks like it works just right, thanks for the hints |
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| 19:54:22 | <monochrom> | :) |
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