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| 07:57:09 | <gentauro> | tip of the dAIy: «if you have an account on GitHub you can block @claude and get a big "A user you’ve blocked has previously contributed to this repository" warning when you view a repository where Claude code (gen AI) has committed» -- reynir (Ocaml) |
| 07:58:16 | <Lycurgus> | letting CC do commits? prolly bad ppl |
| 07:58:39 | <Lycurgus> | or pushes rather, commits r ok |
| 08:00:51 | <Lycurgus> | i just used it's chrome plugin which worked fairly well aside from all the perms popups |
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| 08:03:11 | <Lycurgus> | *its |
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| 08:39:12 | <gentauro> | Lycurgus: it's mostly an IT-sec mechanism to ensure you are notified when Jean-CLAUDE van Doom has been on the loose |
| 08:40:09 | <Lycurgus> | and yet "where Claude code (gen AI) has committed" |
| 08:41:14 | <Lycurgus> | so @claude is van doom igess |
| 08:41:33 | <gentauro> | Lycurgus: Pretty much |
| 08:42:10 | <gentauro> | I think it's fine people use van Doom on their projects. But, they should also accept that we do not want to use them. |
| 08:42:28 | <Lycurgus> | some distateful matter from shop kids culture |
| 08:43:28 | <Lycurgus> | it's a hungry young grifters thing based on the anthropic API? |
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| 08:50:50 | <gentauro> | Lycurgus: I don't think I follow your thoughts |
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| 08:52:24 | <Lycurgus> | gentauro, it's prolly better that way |
| 08:53:39 | <Lycurgus> | but i was asking if 'jean claude van doom' was a llm svc based on the anthropic api |
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| 08:56:18 | <gentauro> | Lycurgus: they state is an AI-assistant built by Anthropic. I tend to define it as: "A tool, made by tools for tools". |
| 08:56:41 | <gentauro> | «potato vs potatoe» |
| 08:57:14 | <Lycurgus> | well that's what ppl in shops mostly are tools of tools, the shops are haskell shops or python shops or what have u |
| 08:58:27 | <[exa]> | both better than the llm plague shop |
| 08:58:34 | <Lycurgus> | my sense is this isn a unit of anthropic and so the answer to my orignal is yes |
| 09:00:19 | <Lycurgus> | but i asked gemini that, in my first interaction with llm in depth; i asked it if it's developers were tools of a tool and ofc it confirmed that in the usual way they talk |
| 09:00:49 | <[exa]> | gentauro: cool tip btw |
| 09:01:07 | <[exa]> | gentauro: can I do the same with the main github bot account |
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| 09:09:59 | <gentauro> | [exa]: perhaps. I think it would be ideal if a flow could be created based on a submitted PR. If that contains code from van Doom, then auto-reject |
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| 09:13:01 | <gentauro> | another tip, is to update the DuckDuckGo "search engine" to -> https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%s |
| 09:13:28 | <gentauro> | I mean, why do they need to "force" the crap (opt-in instead of opt-out by default?) Gosh |
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| 09:14:06 | <int-e> | gentauro: because they need to simulate a trillion dollar market |
| 09:14:16 | <gentauro> | int-e: true that |
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| 14:32:07 | <ags> | When should I use `stack` over `cabal` in 2026? |
| 14:33:10 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Always |
| 14:33:56 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Cabal docs and interface are still frustrating to me |
| 14:35:30 | <__monty__> | Use whatever the project prefers. For new projects use Cabal unless you absolutely don't want dependency version resolution. |
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| 14:40:59 | <ags> | Is there a technical reason I wouldn't want dependency version resolution? |
| 14:42:48 | <tomsmeding> | dependency bounds on packages are not always fully accurate, so it is possible that cabal gives you a set of dependencies that is incompatible with each other |
| 14:43:47 | <tomsmeding> | however, in practice this only really happens due to missing upper bounds, i.e. package A declares it will support all versions of B, but a breaking change in B actually does break A |
| 14:44:15 | <__monty__> | ags: This is a criticism of the PVP, it's worth reading even though the author comes to the wrong conclusion IMO, https://ro-che.info/articles/2013-10-05-why-pvp-doesnt-work.html |
| 14:44:23 | <tomsmeding> | and for commonly-used packages, the bounds are typically good, meaning that you only run into this for unpopular packages |
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| 14:53:11 | <ags> | Okay, thank you for the explanation. I'm considering starting a new project with `yesod`. The documentation recommends `stack` but I'd like to stick to "standard tools" if possible. |
| 14:57:30 | <Clint> | if you want the yesod templates i think you need to use stack |
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| 14:58:49 | <gentauro> | ags: what's your OS if I may ask? Any chance you use `nixOS`? |
| 14:59:50 | <ags> | gentauro: No, not yet unfortunately. I'm using Arch Linux. |
| 15:04:07 | <ags> | Clint: Hm, okay, so far everything has been working without stack but I haven't finished the "Yesod Book" yet. Maybe I'll run into the issue you are mentioning later on. |
| 15:06:55 | <Clint> | ags: my knowledge may be out of date. there used to be a `yesod init` subcommand but it was gutted and replaced with a note to use `stack new` instead. |
| 15:07:47 | <comerijn> | ags: The basic premise of stack is to resolve everything via LTS snapshots of hackage (and enforcing all versions within those to work together). This does not actually solve the underlying problem which gets most people in trouble (i.e. "I'm trying to use an ancient package that hasn't been updated and ends up being incompatible with everything else") |
| 15:08:09 | <comerijn> | ags: So the benefits are basically out the window, the second you manually add a dependency from outside stackage into the mix |
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| 15:08:55 | <ags> | Clint: Ah, okay, I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about the Shakespearean templates. |
| 15:09:21 | <comerijn> | ags: FYI, Yesod was made by the same person/group that made stack, so obviously they would recommend stack ;) |
| 15:09:27 | <Clint> | no, sorry for the confusion |
| 15:09:58 | <comerijn> | In practice, having used lots of Snoyman libraries in the past I never had issues using them via cabal, because they're "just" cabal packages anyway |
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| 15:10:33 | <comerijn> | ags: See also: https://gist.github.com/merijn/8152d561fb8b011f9313c48d876ceb07 |
| 15:10:51 | <comerijn> | Which is of course perfectly neutral and not opinionated on the matter at all :p |
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| 15:12:44 | <comerijn> | ags: Entirely unrelatedly: Be careful with Haskell tools on Arch as the official arch packages ship in a way where the default use of tools is horribly broken |
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| 15:13:17 | <comerijn> | That only applies to the arch toolchain, though. If you use ghcup things should "Just Work (TM)" |
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| 15:22:59 | <ags> | comerijn: Yeah, Michael Snoyman is quite prolific :) |
| 15:24:03 | <ags> | And, yes, I'm using `ghcup` for everything. |
| 15:24:46 | <Lycurgus> | who uses distro hs? |
| 15:25:35 | <Lycurgus> | masochists mehbe |
| 15:25:46 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> me? technically? i use the ghc provided by nixpkgs |
| 15:26:18 | <[exa]> | Lycurgus: I do (packaging&deployment reasons) |
| 15:26:19 | <Lycurgus> | i pity a nixer |
| 15:27:07 | <Lycurgus> | i guess if ur stodgy and locked on a level |
| 15:28:03 | <Lycurgus> | stodgy for pay |
| 15:29:04 | <Lycurgus> | aka professionally competent |
| 15:29:08 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> have fun being mean 👋 |
| 15:29:14 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> im out of this conversation |
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| 15:29:59 | <Lycurgus> | parting lacks sweet sorrow over a damn bridge |
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| 15:39:47 | <Clint> | Lycurgus: i do as well |
| 15:40:16 | <Lycurgus> | causa the terra firma? |
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| 15:43:57 | <Clint> | (use distro hs, not lack sweet sorrow) |
| 15:45:56 | <lantti> | i'm also fine with distro packaged versions, but then again i only use haskell for entertainment purposes for solving toy exercises from online courses |
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| 15:47:41 | <tomsmeding> | Lycurgus: I haven't seen a contribution from you in this channel that was neither abrasive nor disrespectful. We try to be welcoming and a friendly community; it would be nice if you could try to help. |
| 15:48:02 | <Lycurgus> | i guess im still in 2013 when this room woulda had 1500+ ppl |
| 15:48:52 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not sure the size of the room really matters here |
| 15:49:07 | <Lycurgus> | well u werent around then |
| 15:49:23 | <tomsmeding> | true enough |
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| 15:50:30 | <Lycurgus> | also a dbl negative in ur complaint |
| 15:50:48 | <tomsmeding> | yes I noticed that after I posted; I figured you could handle it :) |
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| 15:51:13 | <Lycurgus> | :) |
| 15:52:49 | <Lycurgus> | my automated personae are not far off and they will be ever so sweet and compliant in that way u've come to expect from "AI" |
| 15:53:31 | <Lycurgus> | but this will still be the bitter engineer persona |
| 15:54:54 | <tomsmeding> | you can be respectful without being sweet and compliant; I'm not speaking against criticism here, or debate. You can do those things in a respectful manner too |
| 15:55:17 | <Lycurgus> | k |
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| 16:49:02 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> 👍🏻 |
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| 18:38:31 | <gentauro> | ags: this might also be worth bookmarking -> https://ghc.dev/ |
| 18:38:53 | <gentauro> | if you at some point want to contribute back to GHC :) |
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