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03:52:57 <haskellbridge> <sm> gentauro: That was great, thanks!
03:53:52 <sm> Re: "with regard to LEAN, I like the following explanation from Charles Hoskinson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3snIzhjqsk0 (academic papers tend to loose insights, so by providing a more formal framework, we might have better..."
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11:02:39 <yin> in a parallel universe the term could have evolved to latin vita minutio -> vitamin
11:02:45 <gentauro> sm: when did I write that message?
11:02:46 <gentauro> :)
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11:08:23 <gentauro> btw, is there a way to pass different context for functions parameters? Like: `foobar :: ((Foo a) => a -> String) -> ((Bar b) => b -> String) -> FooBar`
11:09:22 <gentauro> would it just to do: `foobar :: (Foo a, Bar b) => (a -> String) -> (b -> String) -> FooBar`?
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11:18:11 <mauke> depends on whether you want to apply those callbacks at different types
11:18:44 <ski> > let foo :: (Ord a => a -> a -> Bool) -> (Num a => a -> a) -> (Integral a => a -> a -> a); foo f g x y = if f x y then g x else y `mod` x in foo (>=) negate 3 8
11:18:45 <lambdabot> 2
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11:24:02 <ski> the first `foobar' is : caller picks two types `a' and `b', and passes two callbacks working on them. callee will pick instances `Foo a' and `Bar b' for those caller-chosen types
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11:28:51 <ski> (which seems to only make sense if either (a) those two callbacks will never be used; or (b) both `Foo' and `Bar' have a generic instance, working for all types; or (c) `FooBar' actually mentions `a' and `b', including being provided evidence for some instance(s) relating to `a' and `b', from which `Foo a' and `Bar b' can be derived; or (d) there's some GADT-matching going on (still asssuming `a' and `b'
11:28:57 <ski> occurs in `FooBar'), so that by learning more about `a' and `b', `foobar' can manage to provide the `Foo' and `Bar' instances to the callbacks)
11:30:28 <ski> while, the second `foobar' is : caller picks two types `a' and `b', and passes two callbackss working on them. *caller* also will pick and provide instances `Foo a' and `Bar b' (which should then be easier, given that caller picked `a' and `b', presumably knows more about them)
11:32:49 <ski> gentauro : in any case, `Cxt => (... -> ...)' is very different from `(Cxt => ...) -> ...'. in the former, evidence for `Cxt' is provided by the caller/user/consumer of the value (of this type); while in the latter, evidence for `Cxt' is provided by the callee/implementor/producer of the value
11:34:30 <ski> it's the same kind of difference as between `T -> (U -> V)' (`T' and `U' are input, `V' is output) and `(T -> U) -> V' (`T' is output, back to the callback, which produces the input `U', and `V' is output)
11:36:14 <ski> or the difference between `forall a. ([a] -> Int)' (caller picks `a', passes as input some list of `a's) and (the rank-2 type) `(forall a. [a]) -> Int' (callee picks which type `a' to use, caller must pass a polymorphic parameter .. which in this case means only the empty list, if we discount partial values)
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11:41:25 <gentauro> ski: I think I got. Thx
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11:43:29 <ski> np
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14:45:28 <yin> @pl uncurry g . (id &&& f)
14:45:28 <lambdabot> uncurry g . (id &&& f)
14:45:42 <yin> :t uncurry g . (id &&& f)
14:45:44 <lambdabot> error: [GHC-39999]
14:45:44 <lambdabot> • Could not deduce ‘Show b0’ arising from a use of ‘g’
14:45:44 <lambdabot> from the context: (Show a, FromExpr c)
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14:46:36 <yin> :t uncurry (<>) . (id &&& succ)
14:46:38 <lambdabot> (Semigroup c, Enum c) => c -> c
14:47:03 <yin> :t liftA2 (<>) id succ
14:47:04 <lambdabot> (Semigroup c, Enum c) => c -> c
14:47:34 <yin> is there a more appropriate abstraction?
14:47:48 <yin> for `liftA2 f id g`
14:48:05 <yin> i find myself using this all the time, under some form or another
14:49:37 <yin> oh wait
14:50:15 <yin> is this <*> ?
14:50:39 <int-e> yes it is
14:51:33 <yin> :t (<*>) @((->) _)
14:51:34 <lambdabot> Applicative ((->) w) => (w -> (a -> b)) -> (w -> a) -> w -> b
14:51:57 <int-e> @pl \f g x -> f x (g x)
14:51:57 <lambdabot> ap
14:55:04 <yin> well i guess i'll comment the hell out of it
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17:32:08 <haskellbridge> <sm> gentauro: February 4th. (https://matrix.to/#/!GEZGGnggcSrFfjhOeo:matrix.org/$3DJCyTKK2V161Xug7GhuKqFjj4WFegRiPs6lji77FsU?via=matrix.org&via=kf8nh.com&via=kde.org)
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20:01:33 <tomsmeding> I'm not sure if a matrix link will be helpful to someone who's not on matrix
20:07:34 <haskellbridge> <sm> it's the only way to share a permalink right now
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20:18:02 <tomsmeding> the only easy way from matrix, yes, but not strictly speaking the only way :) https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/day/lchaskell/2026/02/04
20:18:29 <tomsmeding> (hello from the dark side where we have low tech chat)
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20:35:38 <haskellbridge> <sm> ah, thanks tomsmeding ! I thought that was dead. It should be in /topic
20:36:04 <sm> lol, now I feel silly. It's there.
20:36:47 <sm> I see, a different topic is configured on the matrix side. I'll make matrix topic match the irc topic, if I can.
20:37:52 <tomsmeding> there's a different topic on the matrix side? That sounds like a recipe for trouble (as indeed happened, lol)
20:38:15 <tomsmeding> (for some definition of "trouble")
20:39:00 <haskellbridge> <sm> on the matrix side, it gives advice for interacting well with IRC. I guess that's needed. I've just appended the IRC topic to it.
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20:53:45 <tomsmeding> ah, makes sense
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21:06:20 <geekosaur> right, no way to sync topics sadly
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21:16:19 <chromoblob> write a bot (in Haskell)
21:16:51 <geekosaur> actually I'm planning to switch bridge software in the next few months
21:17:03 <geekosaur> (when I'm not having 4 doctor appointments per week)
21:17:40 <geekosaur> that may make things behave better, especially since I should be able to switch the matrix side of this channell to a shadow room
21:17:59 <geekosaur> (a direct image of this channel on the matrix end)
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21:26:50 <haskellbridge> <sm> that's a lot geekosaur... good prospects for fewer doctor visits later ?
21:27:22 <geekosaur> yes, it's starting to clear up, I'm down to 2 for the next couple weeks at least
21:27:39 <geekosaur> but it may grow more later as I have a couple procedures coming up
21:27:49 geekosaur old and creaky
21:28:43 <haskellbridge> <sm> good luck 🙌
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