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| 02:47:26 | <ski> | EvanR : `epsilon' ? |
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| 10:07:38 | <gentauro> | `[GHC-45102] Ambiguous module name `Data.IntSet'. it was found in multiple packages: containers-0.8 containers-0.8 ` #yolo |
| 10:07:41 | <gentauro> | xD |
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| 10:13:27 | gentauro | I guess a "kill it with" worked as a charm -> `rm -frv ~/.cabal/store/ghc-9.10.2/` |
| 10:14:36 | gentauro | `nix/nixOS` might be the greatest tech gift given to humanity |
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| 10:27:22 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Youre preaching to the choir :P |
| 10:28:46 | <[exa]> | gentauro: that's in "plain" ghci outside cabal? |
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| 10:36:25 | <gentauro> | [exa]: it's just "cabal things" |
| 10:37:40 | <gentauro> | `cabal build` -> `containers-0.8-34842fe24718eccd4cfcb185cd76eae9d01c2c9fb8e44025c370eb676804be4e` and `cabal haddock` -> `containers-0.8-d07ebba670462b5821cb27365826acbfbfe79c9cac2dc6537943bd739dce732a` |
| 10:38:06 | <gentauro> | then `cabal build` no longer works cos "too many versions" of `containers-0.8` |
| 10:38:46 | <gentauro> | I guess I just need to update my `build.sh` script fo `rm -frv ~/.cabal/store/ghc-9.10.2/` before build. «Just cabal things» |
| 10:38:49 | gentauro | :-\ |
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| 10:40:35 | <[exa]> | btw did this start happening recently because of some package or so? (I don't recall seeing the problem until like half a year ago) |
| 10:47:39 | <gentauro> | [exa]: first time happening to me tbh … |
| 10:48:01 | <gentauro> | I'm just concerned if this happens when I push my package to Hackage |
| 10:48:03 | <gentauro> | :-\ |
| 10:48:06 | <Leary> | gentauro: If that were "just cabal things" I would have seen it at least once in my entire life. It's either a cabal bug or you're doing something weird. |
| 10:48:31 | <gentauro> | Leary: I agree. I'm using cabal :P |
| 10:49:14 | <Leary> | I suggest you minimise it down to a reproducer and make an issue of it. |
| 10:51:12 | <gentauro> | sshine: what kind of "sourcery" do you put in `$CONFIG`? https://github.com/sshine/evm-opcodes/blob/09f7e8c5e3a19140a698fb161d2e4aee0b7a3843/.github/workflows/haskell.yml#L48-L60 |
| 10:51:28 | <[exa]> | I assume it's because I yoloed and did global package installs with `--lib` etc |
| 10:51:42 | <[exa]> | Leary: would that count as weird ^ ? |
| 10:52:18 | <Leary> | Yes. |
| 10:52:43 | <[exa]> | ah, okay. :D |
| 10:54:55 | <merijn> | [exa]: --lib is the devil, never use it |
| 10:55:20 | <merijn> | It's hacky bypass for the new v2-build order |
| 10:55:38 | <[exa]> | any good alternative if I want to just play |
| 10:55:40 | <[exa]> | :D |
| 10:56:29 | <merijn> | [exa]: Basically, in the olden days you had a single global library database that had to be consistent or things exploded. In v2 the package database is automatically generated per project (allowing arbitrary many parallel installs of the same dependencies as long as they don't conflict "within a project") |
| 10:56:56 | <merijn> | [exa]: --lib does a global install into the old global package database, forcing EVERYTHING to use that exact version of the dependency you installed via --lib |
| 10:57:00 | <[exa]> | yap, my usecase is mainly "hey I have a ghci here and I want containers" |
| 10:57:09 | <[exa]> | the workaround is to make a small cabal env |
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| 10:57:16 | <[exa]> | but that's a bit too much work for a random hack |
| 10:57:31 | <merijn> | either a small cabal env or passing the dependency as a flag to cabal and using cabal repl over ghci |
| 10:59:19 | <[exa]> | oh it's actually the last example in `cabal repl --help` |
| 10:59:21 | <[exa]> | ok great |
| 10:59:29 | <[exa]> | let's nuke some .cabal then :) |
| 10:59:36 | <[exa]> | merijn Leary: thanks :) |
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| 11:04:42 | <[exa]> | merijn: is there any workalike of --build-depends option for `cabal exec` ? |
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| 12:15:41 | <merijn> | [exa]: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 12:16:07 | <[exa]> | run a ghc on an ad-hoc file that requires a library |
| 12:16:22 | <[exa]> | ideally with least environment setup involved |
| 12:16:45 | <[exa]> | I thought `cabal exec --build-depends containers -- ghc blah.hs ... |
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| 12:29:19 | <merijn> | [exa]: fyi |
| 12:29:36 | <merijn> | cabal supports shebang execution where you can write the cabal file as comment at the top |
| 12:30:13 | <merijn> | [exa]: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.4/cabal-commands.html?highlight=env#cabal-v2-run |
| 12:30:14 | <[exa]> | ah ok I guess this wins |
| 12:30:16 | <[exa]> | thanks |
| 12:30:18 | <[exa]> | :D |
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| 13:06:34 | <gentauro> | merijn: cabalscript? Yes please :) |
| 13:08:54 | <gentauro> | btw, does cabal and hackage have official logos? (in svg format)? |
| 13:09:17 | gentauro | cabal seems to have this -> https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.4/_static/Cabal-dark.png |
| 13:10:43 | gentauro | and hackage has this one -> https://hackage.haskell.org/static/favicon.png |
| 13:13:13 | <int-e> | https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_logos has the Haskell logo (hackage has a recolored version) and the Cabal one as SVG and a few more as well. |
| 13:14:48 | <int-e> | Oh. Maybe the haskell logo is not an SVG. An SVG version exists though, a couple of obvious links deeper. |
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| 13:24:25 | <gentauro> | int-e: found this one for hackage -> https://github.com/haskell/hackage-server/blob/master/datafiles/static/icons/hackage.svg |
| 13:24:42 | <gentauro> | but doesn't seem to match the one from https://hackage.haskell.org/ |
| 13:24:44 | <gentauro> | Hmmmm |
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| 13:26:55 | <int-e> | gentauro: the main page uses the grayscale ones (which look wrong on a white brackground, but that's fixable :P) |
| 13:28:12 | <int-e> | And then I guess the favicon is rounded cut-out from a screenshot of that? |
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| 13:32:43 | <int-e> | gentauro: https://github.com/haskell/hackage-server/commit/9c81898f3b2d5bb5d5aa402f94cba69f70de58bc doesn't say how the favicon was created. so the trail goes cold here :P |
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| 13:34:35 | <gentauro> | int-e: I vote for using this instead -> https://people.willamette.edu/~fruehr/logos/PNGs/CataLaw.png |
| 13:34:44 | gentauro | from your link "Classic Haskell logos" |
| 13:34:53 | <gentauro> | just imagine writing Lips with bananas :o |
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| 13:45:39 | <gentauro> | int-e: I guess I should be able to re-create that logo as SVG as I have previously made a "derived" logo -> https://gitlab.com/FunctionalCopenhagenersMeetupGroup |
| 13:46:08 | gentauro | now I just need to find the SVG on my machine … |
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| 14:09:17 | <gentauro> | what is the GHC compiler flag that dissallows defining `sum types` with `product types`? For example: `data FooBar = Foo { foo :: Int } | Bar { bar :: String}`. both `foo` as well as `bar` have signatures like: `FooBar -> …`. So you end up with a runtime error if wrongly used … |
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| 14:15:13 | <mangoiv> | `-Wpartial-fields` |
| 14:16:03 | <mangoiv> | or `-Wincomplete-record-selectors` if you rather want to have it at use site (arguably the better one) |
| 14:16:22 | <mangoiv> | Of course they have completely different naming schemes so if you remember one you don't remember the other one ^^ |
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| 14:45:50 | <gentauro> | mangoiv: thx |
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| 14:46:05 | <gentauro> | mangoiv: and "why not both"? |
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| 14:48:44 | <gentauro> | it seems that `-Wincomplete-record-selectors` is part of `-Wall` (nice) https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/using-warnings.html#ghc-flag-Wall |
| 14:49:08 | <gentauro> | however, I'm just gonna add `-Wpartial-fields` to my cabal file as well |
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| 17:54:34 | <gentauro> | Is this assumption correct: `ghc-9.10` is LTS (as in stable) while ``ghc-9.12` is latest (but unstable)? |
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| 18:11:37 | <geekosaur> | 9.6 is unofficially LTS according to the GHC maintainers. 9.14 is the first official LTS. ghcup has different constraints (you probably don't want to _actually_ treat 9.14 as LTS until the first patch release, for example; "LTS" for the GHC maintainers means "will be patched until a new designated LTS") |
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| 18:11:49 | <geekosaur> | but the previous 2 releases will receive patches regardless |
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| 18:16:55 | <geekosaur> | The reason for the difference is that ghc serves two different audiences: production and compiler research |
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| 18:17:30 | <geekosaur> | ghcup only cares about production |
| 18:19:12 | <gentauro> | geekosaur: thx. I think I will stay at 9.12 then. 9.14 seems a bit to "risky" :) |
| 18:19:29 | gentauro | specially if you lock at Stackage |
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| 18:47:24 | <mangoiv> | gentauro on the question of why not both: the former is more strict than the latter so the latter only gives additional protection for code that is written by somebody else - I think that the latter is the better option anyway because it's completely fine to have partial record fields as long as you don't use them partially. |
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| 18:54:38 | <EvanR> | first rule of partial functions, they find a way to be applied to the wrong thing xD |
| 18:55:38 | <mauke> | first rule of partial functions: they can't be impartial |
| 18:57:13 | <gentauro> | mangoiv: the reason I want to go `9.12` is -> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/multiline_strings.html |
| 18:57:26 | <gentauro> | once you are used to `""" … """` strings, you can't go back :( |
| 18:58:06 | <EvanR> | stringly typed code :( |
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| 19:00:22 | <mauke> | aww, no here-documents yet? |
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| 19:06:05 | <gentauro> | EvanR: Yeah |
| 19:07:12 | <gentauro> | btw, anybody using Hakyll? Are you also having the issue where `⚠ (U+26A0)` is translated to `⚠️ (U+26A0 + U+FE0F)`. Is Hakyll an AI-agent (bot)? Cos they are happy about their emojis xD |
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| 19:07:48 | gentauro | Hakyll only makes the transformation if the warning symbol is in a table. If it's "plain text" all good. |
| 19:08:39 | <EvanR> | unicode has gone too far |
| 19:09:50 | <EvanR> | in the future people will wonder wtf FE0F is doing there like we wonder wtf "device control" 1 through 4 are doing in ascii |
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| 19:10:14 | <chromoblob> | why do you think so? |
| 19:10:30 | <EvanR> | I'm exaggerating |
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| 19:13:34 | <[exa]> | gentauro: does that go through some kindof markdown reader? (I'd blame that one) |
| 19:17:48 | <gentauro> | [exa]: most likely `pandoc` -> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hakyll |
| 19:18:32 | <[exa]> | can you try with commandline pandoc? |
| 19:18:54 | <gentauro> | [exa]: one sec |
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| 19:21:38 | <gentauro> | `pandoc --pdf-engine=xelatex` doesn't even print none of the chars (GOOD !!!) |
| 19:21:49 | <[exa]> | convert to native json |
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| 19:22:44 | <[exa]> | anyway it doesn't seem to happen here |
| 19:24:06 | <gentauro> | [exa]: pandoc -t json and it keeps `⚠ (U+26A0) |
| 19:24:15 | <gentauro> | so perhaps not `pandoc` |
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| 19:28:23 | <[exa]> | ah! pandoc changelog talks about variation selectors |
| 19:29:18 | <[exa]> | and it's in HTML writer actually |
| 19:30:05 | <[exa]> | https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/pandoc-3.9/docs/src/Text.Pandoc.Writers.HTML.html#needsVariationSelector |
| 19:31:23 | <[exa]> | otoh absolutely zero clue on where the FE0F actually comes from, this is for FE0E |
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| 19:47:47 | <sshine> | gentauro, CONFIG is just defined at the env: block at the top: CONFIG: "--enable-tests --enable-benchmarks" |
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| 19:53:22 | <gentauro> | sshine: oh snap |
| 19:53:27 | <gentauro> | I guessed I missed that one |
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