Logs on 2026-03-13 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 00:32:35 | <dibblego> | @src last |
| 00:32:35 | <lambdabot> | last [x] = x |
| 00:32:35 | <lambdabot> | last (_:xs) = last xs |
| 00:32:35 | <lambdabot> | last [] = error "Prelude.last: empty list" |
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| 00:34:38 | <dibblego> | @src init |
| 00:34:38 | <lambdabot> | init [x] = [] |
| 00:34:38 | <lambdabot> | init (x:xs) = x : init xs |
| 00:34:38 | <lambdabot> | init [] = error "Prelude.init: empty list" |
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| 00:48:30 | <EvanR> | if you want both might want to do both at once! |
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| 01:21:02 | <statusbot> | Maintenance update: Hackage will be down as part of maintenance. -- http://status.haskell.org/pages/maintenance/537c07b0cf1fad5830000093/69b3665ff71ca90595aa36fb |
| 01:25:07 | <sclv> | top |
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| 02:04:13 | <Axman6> | Is hackage down for anyone else? I'vew been getting Varnish errors since yesterday |
| 02:04:35 | <geekosaur> | currently under maintenance, previously decidedly iffy for over a week |
| 02:04:36 | <Axman6> | Apparently planned maintenance |
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| 02:14:07 | <Axman6> | Well at least local hoogle server works in this repo! |
| 02:16:14 | <davean> | geekosaur: yah we're moving boxes on it to one with more RAM. |
| 02:16:14 | <geekosaur> | fwiw I've been using Flora and Stackage for lookups. (Now if only the CI build that's currently stuck could…) |
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| 02:18:30 | <geekosaur> | also I think https://hoogle.mangoiv.com |
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| 03:44:44 | <davean> | Hackage is back up on a more properly sized but notably more expensive box. Pour one out for HF's wallet. |
| 03:49:48 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> great davean. How much ram now ? |
| 03:50:47 | <davean> | sm: doubled to 64GiB, slightly slower CPUs which might not be ideal but was what was available, but hackage's main issue is that it is an entirely in-memory DB (acid-state) so it eats RAM |
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| 03:53:20 | <davean> | Just loading the data off disk is 24GiB |
| 03:54:14 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> that should help a lot. Browsing feels good |
| 03:54:44 | <davean> | well, don't consider it solved yet, we need full load to return. |
| 03:54:50 | <davean> | but yes, it should |
| 03:55:00 | <davean> | its twice the RAM but its like 3x the cost now. |
| 03:55:42 | <davean> | Because thats how prices roll. We'll need a longer term solution or HF to figure out the bill long term. I'd prefer both frankly. |
| 03:55:50 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I'm guessing.. $500/mo |
| 03:55:53 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ? |
| 03:56:02 | <davean> | Right ballpark but short by a bit |
| 03:56:15 | <davean> | I think it is like $560 |
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| 03:58:03 | <davean> | I'll be honest, if I had a budget I'd just have done this from the start, but money is tight. |
| 03:58:24 | <davean> | The spreadsheet had a "this might be good enough" next to the hackage line from the start |
| 03:58:35 | <davean> | and, it was, for a while, and it progressively got worse. |
| 03:59:01 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> +1 |
| 04:00:08 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I suppose there'll be another peak in about 20h where it's getting crawled or whatever |
| 04:00:44 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> good luck new hackage |
| 04:00:52 | <probie> | Move away from acid-state? |
| 04:00:54 | <davean> | watch it, but I honestly expect this to solve it mostly. |
| 04:00:59 | <davean> | probie: Thats a HUGE project |
| 04:01:11 | <davean> | I mean I did work on it, but then I had to plan an entire migration of all haskell infra |
| 04:01:14 | <davean> | and now I'm burned out :-p |
| 04:01:38 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> somebody might vibe code a rust rewrite |
| 04:01:41 | <davean> | I'm just starting to enjoy anything related to haskell again |
| 04:01:59 | <davean> | sm: haha. I have a runnign hackage core which can be multimaster :) |
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| 04:08:51 | <geekosaur> | you're free to fork and rewrite hackage-server; it'll be a lot of work |
| 04:09:40 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> well thanks for your work davean. Are you being compensated ? I hope so. (No intent to pry if that's not public info) |
| 04:12:04 | <statusbot> | Maintenance update: Hackage is back up and with more resources provisioned. -- http://status.haskell.org/pages/maintenance/537c07b0cf1fad5830000093/69b3665ff71ca90595aa36fb |
| 04:12:11 | <davean> | sm: lol no |
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| 04:16:42 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> feels like there ought to be more money in this ecosystem |
| 04:18:48 | <davean> | sm: well, we'd need better fundraising. |
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| 04:23:42 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I know there's some great donors, but it seems not enough.. |
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| 04:28:37 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> certainly we shouldn't be burning out unpaid maintainers of critical systems. If I become emperor, Haskell will be recognised as a distinguished world technology to receive at least sustainabilty funding. |
| 04:29:35 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> It can happen. I'll vision it. Not the emperor part. |
| 04:31:31 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> but people like jmct are here and have a much better grasp of the situation. Are we drastically underfunded given Haskell's value to humanity ? Or not so much ? |
| 04:32:10 | <davean> | jmct went to bed when hackage came back up |
| 04:32:36 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> +1 |
| 04:34:01 | <davean> | Talk to jmct tomorrow maybe |
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| 06:00:25 | <jeremyn> | davean: I'd be interested in helping with a cheaper Hackage architecture. Gleaned a bit of the current state. Anything I can look at to get started? |
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| 06:02:36 | <davean> | jeremyn: email me at davean@haskell.foundation or something, Its been way too long a night to talk now. |
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| 06:07:56 | <jeremyn> | davean: happy to. i'll shoot an email over. no rush |
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| 07:10:30 | <gentauro> | jreicher: it seems like they use `TOR` under the hood |
| 07:11:41 | <gentauro> | jreicher: I see this from time to time -> `server disconnected smp11.simplex.im,[ADDR].onion ()` and `server connected smp11.simplex.im,[ADDR].onion ()` |
| 07:12:11 | gentauro | and yes, somebody working at TOR recommended it (Y) |
| 07:14:03 | <gentauro> | jreicher: and here they are all compared to each other: https://www.securemessagingapps.com/ |
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| 07:14:23 | <gentauro> | perhaps simplex-chat can become the new pandoc? Like a Haskell app that people just use cos it so good? |
| 07:14:29 | gentauro | lets hope <3 |
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| 07:35:27 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> simplex-chat is good stuff. Among non-programming-related Haskell apps, it's #2 by github stars, with 10k. #3 is kmonad with 5k. Pandoc is way out in front with 42k. |
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| 08:01:57 | <gentauro> | sm thx -> https://youtu.be/Dhj1eauljwU?t=810 (13:30 ish). I need that to make the "CoPilot" back to "Print Screen" on my new Lenovo (Y) |
| 08:02:08 | gentauro | first time I hear of `kmonad` |
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| 08:06:33 | <gentauro> | the author <3 https://tony-zorman.com/posts/DUCK.html |
| 08:10:37 | <jreicher> | Thanks for that comparison site; I've been looking for info like that for a while! |
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| 08:46:07 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> +1 |
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| 08:52:27 | <gentauro> | jreicher: this video helped me commit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cRu98XSap0. I can't wait to run the terminal CLI on my Jolla 2026 (bye bye Apple and iPhone) |
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| 08:56:42 | gentauro | and I got the comparison link from the video tbh |
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| 09:13:16 | <__monty__> | gentauro: FYI on the topic of SimpleX, there's some distasteful behavior on the part of the presumed founder, https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/114652944792605010 |
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| 13:03:08 | <mesaoptimizer> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEWBHP0PvRw |
| 13:03:29 | <mesaoptimizer> | Simon Marlow's talk on the use of Haskell at Meta is very interesting |
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| 21:34:07 | <sshine> | __monty__, I don't know how long I should scroll to find the distasteful parts. he appears to retweet a lot about claude code, cryptocurrencies, privacy, and... maybe that's distasteful enough? I don't know, maybe I expect less from people on the internet. |
| 21:35:03 | <sshine> | the only interaction I didn't like was that I wanted to port the lower-level of his two protocols some years back (not the messenger protocol, but the queues underneath), and he didn't like that idea because, I suppose, he wants to retain control of the implementations. |
| 21:36:52 | <sshine> | gentauro, kmonad is pretty cool. but I found myself enough of a keyboard nerd that I want my "keyboard manager" to be the firmware itself on the keyboard rather than some OS plugin. |
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| 21:39:37 | <haskellbridge> | <ijouw> Some months back i tried to make microhs run on my rp2040 based keyboard and port QMK to haskell. I had too many issues with building back then that i decided that to be a larger project. |
| 21:41:09 | <haskellbridge> | <ijouw> (with port i mean make qmk do keyboard matrix stuff and run haskell code using ffi) |
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| 21:44:35 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> gentauro: The comments are pretty funny |
| 21:47:39 | haskellbridge | sm is replying to "this video helped me commit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cRu98XSap0" (simplex-chat) |
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| 21:57:21 | <sshine> | ijouw, sm: what network are you located on? since I'm seeing your messages via a bridge. |
| 21:58:09 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> sshine, this irc channel is bridged to Haskell IRC room on matrix, which is where I usually read it: https://matrix.to/#/#haskell-irc:matrix.org |
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| 22:01:54 | <geekosaur> | sshine: you can /whois haskellbridge for details |
| 22:02:38 | <sm_> | it could be mentioned in channel topic too perhaps |
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| 22:05:21 | geekosaur | sets topic to "https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell | Admin: #haskell-ops | Offtopic: #haskell-offtopic | https://downloads.haskell.org | https://play.haskell.org/ | Paste code/errors: https://paste.tomsmeding.com | Logs: https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lchaskell | Channel is bridged to #haskell-irc:matrix.org | Adventofcode Leaderboard: 43100-84040706" |
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| 22:05:52 | <sm_> | 👍🏻 |
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| 22:08:03 | <geekosaur> | yay |
| 22:08:15 | <geekosaur> | this client has insufficient docs… |
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| 22:09:44 | <EvanR> | must build additional doc-lons |
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| 22:11:29 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> the engines'll no take it captain. we're over-driving the doc-lons as it is |
| 22:12:59 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ha, see on matrix I'd edit that clunky attempt and polish it up. Can't do that here. 😆 |
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| 23:20:57 | <__monty__> | sshine: Well, the toot is from June 2025, so you'd have to look at their history predating that, if it's not been erased of course. It's not conclusive evidence of anything, just some smoke that may very well come from a fire. |
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