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| 02:11:46 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> huh |
| 02:11:56 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i'm trying to install GHC 9.14 onto my dev server |
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| 02:12:02 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> and, ummm, it's taking like 10gb to install? |
| 02:12:05 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> I ran out of space a few times |
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| 02:34:07 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> that's a lot |
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| 02:59:48 | <geekosaur> | slightly odd; I get 3.6G for my installed one, roughly double while unpacking/installing/copying wouldn't be surprising, but unless it holds onto all temporaries during that 10G seems a little high |
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| 04:53:36 | <monochrom> | We do not know that "10gb" is not a hyperbole and it may mean merely 7gb. |
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| 05:00:48 | <probie> | <joke>Based on my interactions with physicists, I've discovered that "like 10" just means "more than π"</joke> |
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| 07:49:23 | <gentauro> | probie: which is vague, but somehow true |
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| 08:51:59 | <gentauro> | also for physicists, infinity is just `-1/12` xD |
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| 09:25:50 | <TMA> | gentauro: or 0, whatever is needed in any particular case |
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| 09:37:21 | <mesaoptimizer> | GHC, bigger than your average linux distro |
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| 09:46:07 | <int-e> | eh, it's not that big |
| 09:48:52 | <int-e> | Especially if you don't include profiled versions: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c71c57b3 |
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| 10:47:24 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> monochrom: well, I install it on the Linux box, space usage goes from 10gb to 20gb, then the linux box runs out of disk space and the installation dies |
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| 10:49:44 | <gentauro> | if you read a (text) file in a strict mode and then apply logic for each line by using (unlines . logic . lines) the I'm guessing we are back to lazyiness right? |
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| 10:51:33 | <gentauro> | to all the many services around the Haskell econsystem, will they be impacted by -> https://letsencrypt.org/2025/05/14/ending-tls-client-authentication? |
| 10:52:19 | gentauro | oh, it's from MAY-2025, I guess we would have noticed … but perhaps when certificates need renewal, there would be some problems? |
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| 14:04:25 | <[exa]> | Say I have a tiny package ecosystem (quite similar to e.g. selda, with most versions somewhat synchronized) -- is it more encourageable or agreeable to the community to keep it in a monorepo (like selda does, see https://github.com/valderman/selda) or force split it to repos? |
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| 16:11:41 | <monochrom> | gentauro: lines produces a lazy list. |
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| 16:16:37 | <monochrom> | [exa]: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/ is an example of hosting multiple packages "from the same makers": Cabal, cabal-install, etc. |
| 16:17:28 | <monochrom> | Conversely, the ekmettverse is multiple repos, almost one per package. :) |
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| 16:23:24 | <gentauro> | monochrom: do you know how to "force" `unlines . logic . lines` to be strict again? |
| 16:24:07 | <gentauro> | perhaps https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/base-4.22.0.0/docs/Prelude.html#v:foldl-39- |
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| 16:25:15 | <monochrom> | There is no benefit in forcing the final list. (Even forcing the input list from I/O has only marginal benefit at a great cost.) But you can always slap on a deepseq/rnf. |
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| 16:32:14 | <gentauro> | monochrom: good to know |
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| 18:00:04 | <[exa]> | gentauro: what's the input of `lines` btw in your case? (suspecting `interact` or `getContents`?) |
| 18:00:49 | <[exa]> | monochrom: oh wow I didn't notice cabal does the same. I guess I can refer to that as good practices in case anyone complains. :D |
| 18:00:54 | <[exa]> | monochrom: thanks :) |
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| 18:18:28 | <gentauro> | [exa]: a text file. If a flag is enabled (line-numer) I will prepend the line number to each of the lines. |
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| 18:20:09 | <[exa]> | gentauro: oh I meant what you use to read it from the file |
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| 19:09:00 | <gentauro> | [exa]: this -> https://gitlab.com/a-gent/a-gent/-/blob/main/src/Agent/IO/Restricted.hs?ref_type=heads#L700 (had the snippet from somewhere) |
| 19:09:26 | <gentauro> | by requuesting lenght, it forces to read all lines |
| 19:10:14 | gentauro | just build simplex-chat tui from github repo and they seem to have been inspired by my code. No longer `wacko` stuff when typing (Y) |
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| 20:56:45 | <glguy> | Why might I be getting "The program 'alex' is required but it could not be found" when I try to install alex? I'm on a mac, I've tried with cabal-3.14 and 3.16, ghc-9.8 and 9.14, and I recently did a cabal update |
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| 20:57:11 | <glguy> | I found some stuff in tickets about people having this kind of problem in 2014 |
| 20:58:43 | <glguy> | but the answers were that it was fixed in a recent release :) |
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| 21:04:00 | <glguy> | https://github.com/haskell/alex/issues/288 |
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| 21:21:12 | <monochrom> | Yeah alex is self-bootstrapping. Many years ago when I didn't use cabal-install, one day I did `make clean`, then `make` failed because you know why. :) |
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| 21:30:05 | <geekosaur> | it's currently broken again (https://github.com/haskell/alex/issues/288) |
| 21:30:20 | <geekosaur> | mis-generated sdists, apparently |
| 21:30:27 | <monochrom> | Yeah. |
| 21:30:48 | <geekosaur> | I'm currently working around it for cabal CI |
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