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| 05:17:06 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> just checking, but Haskell doesn't go well with docker, right? |
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| 05:17:42 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> Docker is either caching everything or caching nothing, probably issues with my understanding of Docker |
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| 05:22:40 | <mauke> | what's the problem with docker? |
| 05:24:25 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> me, apparently, it's either caching everything (not renewing the image at all, despite me having changed files), or caching nothing (doing a 6 minute reinstall of all my dependencies) |
| 05:24:47 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> all I want is to have my auth handled by Haskell instead of Next.js because I'm more comfortable with Haskell hacking than Next.js |
| 05:25:23 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> on this toy website |
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| 06:25:34 | <gentauro> | Liamzee and you are running Haskell auth stuff in a minimalistic docker just as snoyberg showed us right? https://academy.fpblock.com/blog/2015/05/haskell-web-server-in-5mb/ and https://github.com/fpco/haskell-scratch |
| 06:26:42 | <gentauro> | Athas: I realized that's a better way that going fully static `ldd` |
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| 07:40:42 | <jreicher> | ski: reading up on delimited continuations |
| 07:40:43 | <jreicher> | ? |
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| 07:51:09 | <sshine> | Liamzee: you can build OCI images (Docker compatible) with pkgs.dockerTools from Nix; this builds from Nix store instead of layers, and you can rely on your Nix caching of building your Haskell package. |
| 07:51:15 | <sshine> | Liamzee: https://ryantm.github.io/nixpkgs/builders/images/dockertools/ |
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| 08:57:42 | <ski> | jreicher : yea, and partial evaluation |
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| 09:18:43 | <jreicher> | Just evaluate to (strong) head normal form. ;) |
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| 09:51:22 | <tomsmeding> | Liamzee: what's the difference between haskell and other languages with respect to an immutable disk image? |
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| 11:54:25 | <aka_dude> | Unfortunately, by default nixpkgs produces large closure for Haskell builds, and it all ends up in the image. I have yet to find a simple way to build slim Haskell images with Nix |
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| 11:57:19 | <srk> | aka_dude: might want to throw in justStaticExecutables |
| 11:57:31 | <aka_dude> | srk: already did |
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| 13:20:23 | <gentauro> | > @pl \xs n -> take n xs |
| 13:20:24 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input `@' |
| 13:20:28 | <gentauro> | @pl \xs n -> take n xs |
| 13:20:28 | <lambdabot> | flip take |
| 13:21:44 | <gentauro> | is there a tool that can convert `flip take` back to `\ xs n -> take n xs`? |
| 13:22:03 | gentauro | un-pointfree |
| 13:22:03 | <ski> | @unpl flip take |
| 13:22:03 | <lambdabot> | (\ x y -> take y x) |
| 13:22:12 | <gentauro> | nice |
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| 15:14:14 | <tomsmeding> | people knowing `chronos` here, am I doing something wrong? https://paste.tomsmeding.com/bMzwFR5y |
| 15:14:21 | <tomsmeding> | `dateToDay` seems non-injective |
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| 15:14:37 | <tomsmeding> | I'm fairly sure that May 30th and 31st in 2021 were different days |
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| 15:15:58 | <tomsmeding> | oh, months count from zero |
| 15:17:22 | <tomsmeding> | why do months count from zero and days-in-month from 1? |
| 15:17:28 | <tomsmeding> | why is this JS all over again |
| 15:17:42 | <tomsmeding> | also why does chronos segfault if you give it invalid input https://github.com/byteverse/chronos/issues/100 |
| 15:17:58 | <tomsmeding> | sshine: I recall you posted an article here recommending chronos :p |
| 15:19:22 | <int-e> | tomsmeding: let me guess, one is a number and the other is concpetually an enum. why is that not an error, why does it clamp days into the acceptable range for the month instead? |
| 15:19:32 | <int-e> | questions |
| 15:19:37 | <tomsmeding> | int-e: yes |
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| 15:26:25 | <EvanR> | ah the utter perfection of the time package |
| 15:26:40 | <EvanR> | any attempt to improve it will be a net cringe |
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| 15:41:10 | <c_wraith> | time is pretty good. It avoids about as many mistakes of common time libraries as possible without adding a ton of complexity. (This makes the interface unusual so people search for libraries that let them make the common mistakes.) |
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| 16:37:19 | <gentauro> | int-e: Month should use https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/base-4.22.0.0/docs/Data-Bounded.html |
| 16:37:52 | <gentauro> | and then just `zip [1..] [ minBound .. maxBound ]` no? |
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| 16:42:53 | <int-e> | gentauro: You can do that if you don't care about efficiency. |
| 16:43:02 | <EvanR> | I suggest an APL-like global TVar which toggles Enum to be based at 0 or 1 |
| 16:44:47 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> Agreed about time, but I wonder if the docs or getting started experience could be improved |
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| 16:50:10 | <gentauro> | int-e: https://wiki.haskell.org/index.php?title=Memoization |
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| 16:50:34 | <gentauro> | I don't recall the example, but it was kind of strange. You memoized the list with (!!) |
| 16:51:39 | <int-e> | > let fibs = 0:1:[fib !! (n-2) + fib !! (n-1) | n <- [2..]] in take 10 fibs |
| 16:51:40 | <lambdabot> | Variable not in scope: fib :: [a1]Variable not in scope: fib :: [a1] |
| 16:52:04 | <int-e> | > let fibs = 0:1:[fibs !! (n-2) + fibs !! (n-1) | n <- [2..]] in take 10 fibs |
| 16:52:05 | <lambdabot> | [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34] |
| 16:52:13 | <gentauro> | int-e: I guess that's the one |
| 16:52:32 | <int-e> | (this is not the worst idea if the parts are more expensive and/or the list is short) |
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| 17:16:30 | <monochrom> | EvanR: Haha |
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| 17:50:27 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> thanks gentauro |
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| 20:49:01 | <gentauro> | Liamzee no probs |
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