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| 03:31:52 | <gentauro> | `{-# OPTIONS_GHC -Wall -Werror #-}` is nice to help you remove "noise" come code files |
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| 03:32:23 | <gentauro> | however, once you `derive` Show on a data type, it no longer tells you which properties aren't being used :( |
| 03:33:18 | <gentauro> | btw, what does this do: `data FooBar = FooBar {-# UNPACK #-} !Int`. Like the `unpack` pragma combined with `Int`? |
| 03:35:44 | <geekosaur> | explicitly telling the compiler to unpack the `Int` into `FooBar` rather than making a pointer to it (which requires that it be strict) |
| 03:36:22 | <geekosaur> | these days you don't generally need to do that, `-funbox-small-strict-fields` is on by default if you compile with optimization |
| 03:36:23 | <gentauro> | geekosaur: does this only work for primitive (`struct` types)? |
| 03:36:44 | <geekosaur> | no |
| 03:37:38 | <geekosaur> | there used to be a number of restrictions on it but I think most of them are gone, only strictness remains. (for example, the type had to have a single constructor until unboxed sums were added and it became possible to support multi-constructor unpacking) |
| 03:37:46 | <gentauro> | `data FooBar = Foo | Bar; data BazQux = BazQux {-# UNPACK #-} !FooBar` would work as well? |
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| 03:41:51 | <geekosaur> | https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/pragmas.html#unpack-pragma (note that it tells you it won't work in your case, then only afterward mentions that it will in 9.6.1 and later) |
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| 03:46:12 | <gentauro> | geekosaur: nice -> https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/primitives.html#extension-UnboxedSums |
| 03:47:40 | <gentauro> | btw, do we have something similar to this `dotnet-dump` (heap memory): https://gitlab.com/spisemisu/SpiseMisu.Text.Dstring/-/blob/main/dotnet-cli-tools.sh?ref_type=heads#L19-100 |
| 03:48:08 | <gentauro> | where you can drill down (mem) usage of an app? |
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| 03:53:16 | <geekosaur> | https://discourse.haskell.org/t/ghc-profiling-a-cabal-project-with-an-interactive-application/10465 perhaps? |
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| 03:58:40 | <gentauro> | geekosaur: yeah, that's it. |
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| 06:36:53 | <gentauro> | % data FooBar = Foo | Bar; data BazQux = BazQux {-# UNPACK #-} !FooBar |
| 06:36:53 | <yahb2> | <no output> |
| 06:37:06 | <gentauro> | % sizeOf FooBar |
| 06:37:06 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:11:1: error: [GHC-88464] ; Variable not in scope: sizeOf :: t0 -> t1 ; ; <interactive>:11:8: error: [GHC-01928] ; • Illegal term-level use of the type constructor ‘FooBar’ ; ... |
| 06:37:19 | <gentauro> | % data FooBar = Foo | Bar; data BazQux = BazQux {-# UNPACK #-} !FooBar; sizeOf FooBar |
| 06:37:19 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:13:71: error: [GHC-25277] ; Parse error: module header, import declaration ; or top-level declaration expected. |
| 06:37:28 | <gentauro> | % data FooBar = Foo | Bar; data BazQux = BazQux {-# UNPACK #-} !FooBar; sizeOf Foo |
| 06:37:28 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:15:71: error: [GHC-25277] ; Parse error: module header, import declaration ; or top-level declaration expected. |
| 06:37:51 | <gentauro> | % sizeOf 42 |
| 06:37:51 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:17:1: error: [GHC-88464] ; Variable not in scope: sizeOf :: t0 -> t |
| 06:38:07 | <gentauro> | % import Foreign.Storable |
| 06:38:07 | <yahb2> | <no output> |
| 06:38:09 | <gentauro> | % sizeOf 42 |
| 06:38:09 | <yahb2> | 8 |
| 06:38:12 | <gentauro> | % data FooBar = Foo | Bar; data BazQux = BazQux {-# UNPACK #-} !FooBar; sizeOf Foo |
| 06:38:12 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:23:71: error: [GHC-25277] ; Parse error: module header, import declaration ; or top-level declaration expected. |
| 06:38:18 | <gentauro> | % data FooBar = Foo | Bar; data BazQux = BazQux {-# UNPACK #-} !FooBar |
| 06:38:18 | <yahb2> | <no output> |
| 06:38:23 | <gentauro> | % sizeOf Foo |
| 06:38:23 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:27:1: error: [GHC-39999] ; • No instance for ‘Storable FooBar’ arising from a use of ‘sizeOf’ ; • In the expression: sizeOf Foo ; In an equation for ‘it’: it = sizeOf Foo |
| 06:39:28 | <gentauro> | % data FooBar = Foo | Bar deriving Storable; data BazQux = BazQux {-# UNPACK #-} !FooBar deriving Storable |
| 06:39:28 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:29:34: error: [GHC-00158] ; • Can't make a derived instance of ‘Storable FooBar’: ; ‘Storable’ is not a stock derivable class (Eq, Show, etc.) ; • In the data type dec... |
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| 13:02:14 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: if you're looking for a final-final thing to do before departing for postdoc life, it would be nice if http://acceleratehs.org/ (the URL) worked. |
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| 13:10:08 | <tomsmeding> | oh, ha |
| 13:13:09 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: I have notified who I think is the (past?) owner of that domain |
| 13:15:57 | <Athas> | It works with www, so all it needs is a web server config change or a CNAME set in DNS. |
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| 13:31:01 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: oh! Hm, then I sent the wrong email. Thanks! |
| 13:37:24 | <Athas> | It also seems like it is not too hard to get most of accelerate-examples working again. |
| 13:37:54 | <Athas> | I just need a cabal.project that pins a few dependencies that have not seen new releases. |
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| 13:41:10 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: yes, many of the support packages should be easy to upgrade. I don't have rights for them, though, and the people that do are slow. |
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