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| 13:00:31 | <Diablo-D3> | NobbZ: hey, you should still be able to use your moonlander correctly |
| 13:00:57 | <Diablo-D3> | a lot of cross-OS QMK users have a toggle to swap alt/super |
| 13:02:26 | <Diablo-D3> | I have two identical kmonad configs between my machines that exist to just do that swap |
| 13:07:36 | <NobbZ[m]> | Thanks for the info. Now I just need to find the time to experiment with kmonad :D |
| 13:12:48 | <Diablo-D3> | I want to say the moonlander guys even document this, or maybe its built into the stock preloaded config |
| 13:15:20 | <NobbZ[m]> | I have not seen anything mentioning kmonad in the docs that I have access to |
| 13:24:16 | <Diablo-D3> | no, I mean in their QMK config |
| 13:24:25 | <Diablo-D3> | the whole point of QMK is never needing tools like kmonad |
| 13:24:35 | <Diablo-D3> | at the end of the day, you can never trust the OS to not fuck this up |
| 13:31:42 | <NobbZ[m]> | Mac fucks it up then. The following is using the keys "label". What I write as "AltGr" here is interpreted as indeed that on linux and as "Option" on Mac.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fb0196c6c0dc57317cabf9b8b63115351aa948fe>) |
| 13:32:22 | <Diablo-D3> | so that is a different issue |
| 13:32:46 | <Diablo-D3> | you CAN fix this in QMK by having a layer that rewrites basically every altgr |
| 13:33:27 | <Diablo-D3> | nobody wants to do this |
| 13:33:32 | <NobbZ[m]> | ZMA said, this was not possible |
| 13:33:37 | <Diablo-D3> | its possible, its just shitty |
| 13:34:04 | <Diablo-D3> | you have to basically rewrite every altgr binding, and it may piss off the keyboard controller |
| 13:34:40 | <Diablo-D3> | but imo its the wrong fix |
| 13:34:46 | <Diablo-D3> | you're not fixing like, alt/super swap |
| 13:35:07 | <Diablo-D3> | you're fixing OSX having the wrong keyboard layout |
| 13:35:39 | <Diablo-D3> | that shouldnt be fixed in the keyboard, because if I have a normal standard international keyboard for your layout, and press alt-gr, on a mac, its still wrong |
| 13:36:23 | <Diablo-D3> | but yeah, google, uh, "osx keylayout" |
| 13:37:03 | <Diablo-D3> | its an XML format that binds all the raw inputs to unicode |
| 13:37:16 | <Diablo-D3> | and someone may have already made the replacement you want |
| 13:37:56 | <Diablo-D3> | NobbZ: oh, and hilariously, you know how apple officially supports windows on intel macs? they include the apple version of the altgr layout for all the different types to match osx, as a standard windows key layout |
| 13:38:07 | <Diablo-D3> | doesnt use it by default, but bootcamp installs them to use if you want |
| 13:38:31 | <Diablo-D3> | so they know they're wrong, and now they're in too deep |
| 13:52:54 | <NobbZ[m]> | I might have to deeply think about the issue, as I do not want to change the laptops builtin keybindings. At the very same moment I enter the office building, it is a shared workstation again… Nominally at least |
| 13:53:19 | <Diablo-D3> | yeah |
| 13:53:38 | <Diablo-D3> | you know why my mac is 10 years old, yet has not ran osx for 8? |
| 13:54:46 | <Diablo-D3> | because osx is user hostile |
| 13:54:48 | <Diablo-D3> | its subtle |
| 13:54:58 | <Diablo-D3> | its death by a thousand cuts |
| 13:55:07 | <Diablo-D3> | windows? windows is obvious about its opinionated fuckups |
| 13:55:26 | <Diablo-D3> | but osx? no, it just lets you discover it just Thinks Different(tm) |
| 13:58:32 | <NobbZ[m]> | If it was my choice, I would have taken a linux, though I had to choose between Mac and Windows. Windows fucked me in the last job, though today I know I should have stuck with it :D |
| 13:58:59 | <NobbZ[m]> | Not with the job, just with windows 😀 |
| 14:05:37 | <Diablo-D3> | heh |
| 14:05:43 | <Diablo-D3> | so, I use windows as my linux desktop environment |
| 14:05:58 | <Diablo-D3> | like, no OS is perfect, and I used linux on the desktop exclusively for a little over 20 years |
| 14:06:34 | <Diablo-D3> | went from win95's release and bailed on that, the whole way to right before win10 came out (and it was still going to be 8.2) |
| 14:06:48 | <Diablo-D3> | windows can fuck me all day... because my actual real work happens on a headless linux box I ssh into |
| 14:07:01 | <Diablo-D3> | the force multiplier is wsl2, which means my windows machines are ALSO linux in of themselves |
| 14:08:58 | <Diablo-D3> | they wrote the cross-OS filesystem interopt as 9p2000 (instead of SMB), so they can do the unix FS metaphors right... so its nice to execute native linux binaries on native windows files with, eh, good enough perf |
| 14:09:35 | <Diablo-D3> | or, otoh, have NT symlinks actually fucking work right without needing fight with NTFS (ie, have your git repos stashed on a real fs hosted in the linux vm) |
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