Logs on 2021-05-26 (liberachat/#xmonad)
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| 06:34:39 | <Solid_> | Topic for #xmonad is "This channel has moved to ##xmonad. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies" |
| 06:34:44 | <Solid_> | they actually kicked us off |
| 06:34:46 | <Solid_> | lol |
| 06:34:49 | Solid_ | is now known as Solid |
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| 07:17:40 | amenonsen | wakes up and performs routine check of xmonad-contrib#396 |
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| 08:39:45 | <Solitary> | Solid, yes they are stealing lot of channels |
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| 09:10:56 | <amenonsen> | stealing? you mean liberating! from all those tyrannical channel owners who are forcing poor innocent users to switch from freenode. |
| 09:14:08 | <Solid> | amazing |
| 09:16:35 | <amenonsen> | the freenode (web) front page even has a rant about it. |
| 09:16:55 | <amenonsen> | how cancel culture is destroying poor freenode. |
| 09:22:24 | <mc47> | facebook messenger ftw |
| 09:56:57 | <liskin> | I should probably make an announcement on Twitter |
| 09:57:05 | <liskin> | how do I not fuck it up? |
| 09:58:12 | <mc47> | not sure if you can fuck it up |
| 09:58:24 | <mc47> | people are already pretty mad about it |
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| 10:06:10 | <liskin> | niko: ♥ |
| 10:06:16 | <Solid> | nice! |
| 10:07:18 | <Solid> | liskin: this is straight up a hostile takeover, I don't think you can fuck muhc up there |
| 10:07:54 | <Solid> | If you want references I know that void ( https://voidlinux.org/news/2021/05/freenode-takeover.html ) gentoo ( https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html ) have already made similar statements |
| 10:08:45 | <liskin> | Solid: nice, the gentoo one is short and good |
| 10:09:25 | <amenonsen> | hi liskin! you told me to harass you periodically about the ewmh window activation bug. ;-) |
| 10:09:40 | <niko> | have a greate day |
| 10:09:41 | <amenonsen> | (i'm crab, who wasn't in time to register that nick in the shuffle.) |
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| 10:10:16 | <amenonsen> | cancel culture lost me eight of my legs |
| 10:10:32 | <liskin> | amenonsen: hi :-) |
| 10:11:22 | <liskin> | amenonsen: the most recent status of that bug is this: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/399#issuecomment-845882787 |
| 10:11:43 | <liskin> | tl;dr it's on my "today" task list |
| 10:12:04 | <liskin> | which means it will not be done today, but it's in my working memory again |
| 10:12:26 | <amenonsen> | great. |
| 10:12:35 | <liskin> | if it weren't for this IRC drama, I may have gotten to it already :-/ |
| 10:12:40 | <amenonsen> | if you need someone to test/verify/whatever, i'm happy to try and help. |
| 10:13:06 | <liskin> | good to know your current nickname then :-) |
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| 10:20:53 | <Solid> | aww |
| 10:20:56 | <Solid> | \e[1;31mSad |
| 10:22:57 | liskin | sets topic to "xmonad: the tiling window manager with formally proven extensions | https://xmonad.org | https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions | cheatsheet: https://wiki.haskell.org/File:Xmbindings.png | https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lcxmonad" |
| 10:24:54 | <Solid> | huh, I just realized that, on the website, we are also linking to the cheatsheet that's hosted on the haskell wiki and not the one that's hosted on the website :) |
| 10:27:18 | <liskin> | Solid: pls check that you can op yourself via chanserv |
| 10:27:43 | ChanServ | sets mode +o Solid |
| 10:27:51 | <Solid> | liskin: works :) |
| 10:28:04 | <liskin> | good |
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| 10:28:38 | <liskin> | so now we just wait for geekosaur, give him access as well, and then we can ask for cloaks as well |
| 10:28:43 | <Solid> | awesome |
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| 11:07:53 | <liskin> | https://twitter.com/xmonad/status/1397509701043097607 |
| 11:16:21 | <Solid> | hah, that giant image of buster keaton really made me laugh |
| 11:17:27 | <fizzie> | Seeing images/cheat/xmbindings.png in the diff of that attached commit was real confusing. "What, we've had a default key binding to join IRC all this time?" (Turns out it was much less exciting than that.) |
| 11:17:58 | <Solid> | :D |
| 11:19:46 | <liskin> | a default keybinding to join IRC seems like the 90s equivalent of those support chat widgets on websites like what Intercom does :-) |
| 11:41:07 | <amenonsen> | what happened to geekosaur? |
| 11:41:18 | <amenonsen> | is freenode holding them hostage? |
| 11:44:13 | <Solid> | just doesn't have a bouncer ;) |
| 11:45:41 | <mc47> | It's cool that the logs moved as well |
| 11:45:57 | <Solid> | indeed |
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| 17:31:49 | <hi> | anybody else getting errors like this: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion |
| 17:32:47 | <liskin> | hi: sounds like https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#Generating_locales may help |
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| 18:03:07 | <liskin> | geekosaur: not sure if you noticed, but freenode channels were hijacked this morning so I decided it's time to message the ircops directly and they dealt with our application in no time |
| 18:03:22 | <liskin> | geekosaur: just added you as a founder to chanserv |
| 18:03:52 | <liskin> | if anyone has any idea what cloaks we want I'm all ears |
| 18:03:55 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I noticed the hijacking last night around midnight my time |
| 18:04:07 | <liskin> | probably just @xmonad/developer/… ? |
| 18:04:19 | <geekosaur> | I was planning to get a haskell cloak tbh, since I'm an op over there |
| 18:04:43 | <liskin> | oh, okay :-) |
| 18:05:03 | <Solid> | liskin: libera (on their website) suggests projectname/* |
| 18:05:13 | <Solid> | which I think works fine |
| 18:05:43 | <liskin> | we're probably small enough a community that cutting the middle level makes sense |
| 18:05:44 | <Solid> | a haskell cloak is of course much more prestigious than a mere xmonad cloak :> |
| 18:05:53 | <liskin> | is it? |
| 18:07:21 | <Solid> | cloaks are usually only given to people affiliated with projects, so a haskell cloak would indicate (to me) affiliation with the language in some way |
| 18:07:28 | <Solid> | sounds prestigious to me |
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| 18:09:42 | Server | sets mode +cnt |
| 18:09:50 | <Solid> | there it is again |
| 18:10:12 | <geekosaur> | yeh, was just about to msg tomsmeding about it when it connected again |
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| 18:18:37 | <hi> | I'm still getting the language problem, though I was able to set the locale. I'm also getting this error: error while loading shared libraries: libHSxmonad-contrib-0.16-KKfUmtIonstICqbgIKQKYh-ghc8.10.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:25:29 | <geekosaur> | arch? you may want to start over with stack, arch has a broken haskell package ecosystem |
| 18:26:07 | <Solid> | these kins of reports are coming in more frequently |
| 18:26:11 | <Solid> | I wonder what they broke this time |
| 18:27:27 | <geekosaur> | there's a shortcoming in xmonad's recompilation detection: it detects changes in your config, but not in dependencies like xmonad-contrib |
| 18:28:09 | <geekosaur> | this normally doesn't show up because xmonad is statically linked everywhere but on arch |
| 18:28:26 | <hi> | yeah, I'm on manjaro |
| 18:28:44 | <hi> | I did their stuff for xmonad, then tried building again with stack, but it looks like everything is still pointing to the old arch files |
| 18:29:14 | <Solid> | we just had someone using arch doing a writeup on how to properly build with stack |
| 18:29:55 | <Solid> | check out this issue https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/301 |
| 18:30:14 | <Solid> | and their resulting SO answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67710115/broken-xmonad-dependencies-after-pacman-update-how-to-compile-it-with-stack/67710116#67710116 |
| 18:30:28 | <Solid> | which should just be what's in INSTALL.md, but you never know |
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| 19:07:57 | <liskin> | Solid: they didn't necessarily break anything new |
| 19:08:04 | <liskin> | it's just the natural state of things |
| 19:09:00 | <liskin> | distrotube talks about xmonad → lots of new people install xmonad (on arch, naturally, because demographics) → a few months pass and people's systems update → all those people come in complaining |
| 19:10:00 | <liskin> | not implying that DT or those new people are to blame, our installation story and docs aren't perfect either |
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| 19:13:10 | <hi> | I'm trying to do everything via stack but now it's telling me that ~/.local/share/xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-linux: executeFile: does not exist (No such file or directory) |
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| 19:14:01 | <liskin> | hi: do you have a build script? |
| 19:14:53 | <Solid> | liskin: I would expect arch users to update their system fairly often; why are these issues bunching up now? |
| 19:14:56 | <hi> | yes |
| 19:15:24 | <geekosaur> | because only now did someone change the xmonad package in such a way that the xmonad-contrib hash changed? |
| 19:15:27 | <hi> | build script looks like https://github.com/slotThe/xmonad/blob/new-tutorial/INSTALL.md#tell-xmonad-how-to-recompile-itself |
| 19:15:43 | <liskin> | Solid: I wouldn't know such details |
| 19:15:47 | <geekosaur> | sorry, xmonad-contrib package |
| 19:16:36 | <geekosaur> | the arch maintainer's been known to grab (sometimes older) git releases |
| 19:17:01 | <liskin> | hi: that's a bit weird, xmonad does tell the buildscript where to place the result |
| 19:18:00 | <liskin> | I should probably set up an "ordinary user's xmonad setup" somewhere cause otherwise I have no idea whether this stuff works or what it's supposed to look like :-/ |
| 19:18:38 | <geekosaur> | that's why I betaed the cabal instructions with my own config :) |
| 19:18:40 | <liskin> | hi: does xmonad --recompile show any interesting output? |
| 19:18:53 | <hi> | success is all |
| 19:19:11 | <hi> | uses the right build script at the right location |
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| 19:27:39 | <geekosaur> | sigh, need to get a new router, this one did not survive a couple years in storage — it crashes regularly |
| 19:28:50 | <hi> | throws a couple small errors when compiling xmonad-contrib |
| 19:29:05 | <hi> | stack, from git, I mean |
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| 19:38:59 | <geekosaur> | I don't think there's such aa thing as "small" errors; can you pastebin? |
| 19:39:05 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 19:39:05 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 19:48:00 | <hi> | ty. here's what happens when I stack install https://paste.tomsmeding.com/2LOuaCsv |
| 19:48:28 | <hi> | they're the only errors that pop up in the process until I try to execute; build says it passes successfully |
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| 19:49:48 | <geekosaur> | ok, those are mostly deprecation warnings, I think cleanups there are still pending in git. but I notice right at the end that it's copying to the wrong executable name, the buildscript should be overriding it |
| 19:49:53 | <geekosaur> | …whoops |
| 19:50:19 | <liskin> | is it though? |
| 19:50:29 | <liskin> | that's just install of xmonad and -contrib |
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| 19:51:44 | <geekosaur> | hm, that implies the buildscript is wrong, then |
| 19:51:54 | <geekosaur> | or they're not running the buildscript |
| 19:51:55 | <liskin> | does it? |
| 19:51:59 | <liskin> | yep |
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| 19:53:39 | <geekosaur> | hi20, is this using the buildscript or just building xmonad and xmonad-contrib? |
| 19:54:23 | <hi20> | stack init/stack install/xmonad --recompile |
| 19:54:53 | <liskin> | but there's no xmonad --recompile output in the paste |
| 19:55:39 | <hi20> | xmonad --recompile exits successfully |
| 19:55:48 | <hi20> | that paste was the output of stack install |
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| 19:57:24 | <liskin> | with no output? okay can you put "set -x" above the stack exec in the build script? |
| 20:00:12 | <hi20> | I don't think I have a build script. I followed this: https://github.com/slotThe/xmonad/blob/new-tutorial/INSTALL.md |
| 20:00:28 | <hi20> | OH WAIT |
| 20:00:31 | <hi20> | gah |
| 20:00:59 | <hi20> | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/f35ecf91a8cb4ee85db794df376f2c7f/pasted.txt |
| 20:01:38 | <liskin> | that jk is a typo? |
| 20:03:06 | <hi20> | ty |
| 20:05:18 | <hi20> | still having this problem: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/4mKbfN8y |
| 20:06:57 | <liskin> | that's probably expect if another WM is running? |
| 20:07:01 | <liskin> | *expected |
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| 20:16:29 | <hi> | whoa that completely worked, thank you so much |
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| 20:20:38 | <liskin> | hi: so, what was the real issue then? |
| 20:20:40 | <liskin> | just the jk typo? |
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| 20:25:03 | <liskin> | well anyway, if that was it, it's one more reason I'd really like to get rid of build scripts |
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