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00:12:39 <diaspora[m]> lemonbar is in nixpkgs, I'll install it and give it a try. Thanks!
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01:19:57 <Nosrep> wait you want a non minimalist bar?
01:20:14 <Nosrep> you might have better luck wth taffybar or polybar (can't remember if that one's minimalist though)
01:21:28 <geekosaur> they want 3d "buttons" which one def won't find in a minimalist bar, although I don't think many non-minimalist bars usefully offer it either
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06:50:24 <diaspora[m]> See the long and thin 1920x26 image I inlined above, which is a screencap of the auto-hide window running along the bottom of my IceWM w/m screen. Consistent with the 3D theme I have loaded into IceWM, it has named and 3D-shaded clickable buttons for selecting each of my 39 workspaces and some docked commands, as well as various other features like time display and network, memory and CPU graphs. So, it's rather featureful; I doubt it
06:50:25 <diaspora[m]> could be called minimalist.
07:28:12 <diaspora[m]> One of IceWM's features is a right-click menu that includes the ability to switch to a different w/m, one of several in a configurable list. I've added XMonad to that list, but I want to set up 39 named workspaces in xmonad before switching w/m to it. (Hopefully xmonad can similarly cede control back to IceWM if needed.)
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09:46:17 <liskin> seems getting back to work isn't as hard as I thought
09:46:28 <liskin> \o/
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09:57:48 <Solid> :D
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12:43:59 <backleet> yuu[m]: not like scratchpads I think because they are not floated and can't be called from any workspace, rather hidden from view of the current workspace, I ended up not using that concept since it adds complexity/gets in the way a bit.
12:44:17 <backleet> diaspora[m]: that's crazy amount of workspaces lol
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16:45:08 <diaspora[m]> backleet: It has become my normal over many years, and works well for me. One thing that drives it is that my population of xterms and open documents grows into the hundreds owing to concurrent work. Workspaces impose order and classification on what would otherwise rapidly turn into chaos. :P
16:46:07 <liskin> diaspora[m]: how often do you restart (X or the computer as a whole)?
16:55:35 <diaspora[m]> It'll be an interesting experiment whether xmonad tiling will fit into my scheme well, or whether I'll have to put it into stacking mode like IceWM. Workspaces can be thought of as stacked window sets, so even tiling window managers use stacking, albeit not per window but per window set.
17:13:23 <Solid> lol
17:13:55 <Solid> I just got a spam mail about a "sponsorship opportunity" for the xmobar.org domain
17:14:09 <Solid> why the hell did they send that to me? :D
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17:45:43 <diaspora[m]> I don't know whether there exists a window manager which allows you to make your root window transparent on every workspace except the last one, which is considered the deepest one. Moving through your workspaces would then be like travelling through a sky-scraper with glass floors, looking downwards, so everything in all workspaces is visible unless covered by something in a workspace above it. (The deepest workspace would carry your root
17:45:43 <diaspora[m]> window image.)
17:45:47 <diaspora[m]> In effect it would be unification of tiled and stacking modes. :-)
18:02:15 <backleet> diaspora[m]: I see, makes sense.
18:02:28 <backleet> Solid: what do you use with nixos? xmonad on that too?
18:04:04 <Solid> backleet: yes, though I don't manage my configuration via a .nix file or anything; I just compile with stack as usual
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18:06:40 <backleet> ah I see, thanks. nixos is nice although packages are behind traditional rolling releases, even unstable channel. Usually it doesn't matter much, but in my case older version of networkmanager-openvpn doesnt support tls-vcrypt-2. I am on Void, which has newest.
18:08:43 <backleet> Solid: I wanted to ask something, is there way to define internal vertical and horizontal gaps like in dwm? I see I can define screenBorders and windowBorders, but seems like it works different in xmonad
18:09:58 <Solid> I think X.L.Spacing does gaps between windows
18:15:51 <backleet> Solid: if I understood correctly, screenBorder defines gap between 4 sides of screen and outer side of windows, and windowBorder defines gap outside of each window, if that's the case there's no way to do it like in dwm
18:18:29 <Solid> well I don't know what dwm does so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
18:19:27 <backleet> Solid: oh, I misunderstood actually, it works as it supposed to. windowBorders defines inner gap I see.
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18:22:59 <Solid> I can see that X.L.Spacing has horrible documentation though
18:23:10 <Solid> If you want to improve that I think lots of people would appreciate it :)
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18:31:18 <backleet> Solid: thanks, but I don't think I have enough knowledge on it to do it. My first assumption was correct. It doesn't work like in dwm. in dwm gaps don't go around windows, rather there are inner and outer gaps. outer gaps work in xmonad = screenBorder parameter of X.L.Spacing. But inner gaps != dwm's inner gaps, since windowBorders parameters puts gaps around each window instead of actual inner
18:31:21 <backleet> gaps. I am not sure if it's achieveable in xmonad, to make inner vertical gap between windows bigger than others, did you understand?
18:32:17 <backleet> don't bother if you busy lol, just rambling
18:32:34 <Solid> I'm afraid I have too little experience (read: none) with gaps to really understand what's going on, sorry :)
18:32:54 <backleet> np, thanks man!
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20:27:56 <aplainzetakind> geekosaur: I probably didn't get how --package-env is supposed to work.
20:28:50 <aplainzetakind> So I did `cabal install xmonad`, then `cabal install --lib xmonad --package-en=xmonad` and the same for xmonad-contrib.
20:29:03 <aplainzetakind> But the imports in my config are not found.
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20:58:47 <geekosaur> you need to arrange (via abuild script) to pass the same --package-env to ghc
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