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07:13:53 <Solid> oh indeed, it seems I was misremembering and the BSD in question was actually FreeBSD and not OpenBSD
07:13:58 <Solid> sorry about that
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21:17:20 <aegon> hey all, I've been strugling with non-reparenting breaking apps for a while, is there a good solution for this that I can handle in an XMonad config? In particular it seems like a whole class of games that rely on sdl / sdl2 just malfunction
21:18:51 <aegon> i found i can get some to work some of the time by starting them in a split window and manually floating them to aproximately full screen windows
21:18:55 <aegon> but this trick doesn't work for all
21:22:53 <liskin> aegon: I fixed some games by adding a … --> doFloat managehook for them
21:23:15 <liskin> not sure if that has any chance to fix more stuff than floating manually, but it's worth a try
21:23:44 <liskin> there's also floatNextHook that lets you temporarily toggle floating for one/all new window(s) via a keybinding
21:24:02 geekosaur needs to find an app like that to try to figure out why manual reparenting apparently doesn't work
21:24:06 <liskin> that might be handy if the doFloat trick works but you don't want to spend time configuring the hooks
21:24:29 <liskin> geekosaur: what do you mean by manual reparenting?
21:25:32 <geekosaur> proton pronko posted to the mailing list some time back a python script that opened a window, to be used with "wmctrl reparent" to reparent a window into it
21:25:47 <geekosaur> and reported the result doidn't seem to handle mouse clicks
21:26:33 <geekosaur> if I could figure out why, this could conceivably be expanded to reparent a specified window itself and thereby work around this, mono, etc.
21:27:16 <liskin> oh
21:27:30 <aegon> geekosaur: https://github.com/tmewett/BrogueCE
21:27:40 <aegon> thats full open source, pretty small and repro's for me
21:27:55 <aegon> I can't say its 100% of the cases because thats one of the ones that opens oke in a split where some don't
21:29:01 <aegon> oo, the floatnexthook seems promising going to dig at that
21:29:15 <geekosaur> hah
21:29:39 geekosaur is a sometimes helper for DCSS; brogue would be somewhat new, though
21:30:33 <geekosaur> tbh I've played dcss local tiles windowed under xmonad and not found any probloems, so it must be more than just sdl involved
21:34:43 <aegon> adding DCSS to the roguelike play list :)
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21:45:46 <aegon_> huh, toggleFloatAllNew seems to not be working
21:45:49 <aegon_> ls
21:45:53 <aegon_> whoos :X
21:47:00 <geekosaur> did you add the manageHook?
21:47:12 <geekosaur> it takes more than just the keybinding
21:56:34 <aegon_> this is my current conf https://dpaste.com/CVEF6Z5C2
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22:06:26 <geekosaur> I had to install some llibs before brogue would run… but now it's running fine without any weirdness
22:06:34 <geekosaur> TwoPane layout
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22:08:47 <aegon> geekosaur: try moving it to an empty desktop
22:08:58 <aegon> for me thats what causes the crash
22:10:25 <aegon> huh, also floatNextToggle just started working, I bet I messed up saving the buffer
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22:12:29 <aegon> my muscle memory is not the best for my restart binding, thats the third accidently reboot while testing this, lol
22:13:52 <aegon> or second :? your right though, floating doesn't seem to be a magical fix, wesnoth is still broken for me on float I'm going to try to get a list of what works / doesn't together and maybe there will be some common denominator that stands out
22:14:34 <liskin> you have a keybinding for reboot? :-D
22:15:30 <geekosaur> I didn't get a crash relocating it to an empty desktop
22:16:03 <aegon> yep, sleep, reboot and shutdown
22:16:48 <geekosaur> that said it went to full screen automatically because that desktop was empty, you said full screen rescued the crash?
22:16:57 <aegon> geekosaur: maybe something else is messed up in my system then, let me see if building from source repros for me, I'm on gentoo so i might have odd configs of libs installed that could be coming into play
22:17:02 <geekosaur> but then most of our layouts go full screen when empty, so
22:17:23 <geekosaur> yeh, I'm on ubuntu
22:17:41 <geekosaur> had to install sdl2-image to get it to work but otherwise it's ok
22:17:50 <aegon> yeah, maybe this is something else hitting me, nexuiz works fine but wesnoth is a crash, hedgewars is a crash, and for me, brogue on an empty desktop or moving to an empty desktop is a crash
22:18:03 <aegon> brogue is prolly the easiest to self compile, gonna see if i can get something out of debug symbols
22:18:05 <geekosaur> might try running it in a terminal to capture the error message
22:18:27 <aegon> aye, whatever is going on it doesn't message anything
22:18:44 <aegon> its a black window for a couple seconds then segfault
22:19:58 <aegon> sorry, not even segfault, wesnoth segfaults, brogue just derps on a black screen for a couple seconds and closes itself
22:21:40 liskin apt installs wesnoth to check, but half expects it to just work
22:21:47 <geekosaur> wesnoth didn't crash here when I tried it some time back but the mouse pointer was offset
22:24:13 <liskin> yeah, it just works
22:24:28 <liskin> automatically fullscreens and everything works fine
22:25:07 <geekosaur> hm, brogue backgrounds itself if I leave the desktop. have to maximize it with the taskbar to get it back
22:25:13 <aegon> #gentoo problems
22:25:21 <aegon> lol
22:25:40 <aegon> kk, i'm goin to try to get a debug build of brogue and see whats going on over here
22:25:52 <liskin> unlikely to be a gentoo problem
22:26:03 <liskin> more likely your xmonad config lacks ewmh and ewmhFullscreen
22:26:03 <aegon> what version of xmonad / x are you guys on, and is anyone on amd hardware?
22:26:22 <liskin> (as that's probably what handles the fullscreening here)
22:26:35 <geekosaur> I think both of us run xmonad from git
22:26:43 <liskin> (or possibly the isFullscreen --> doFullFloat managehook)
22:26:59 <geekosaur> liskin,k I didn't have fullscreen until I moved it to a workspace with no windows
22:27:23 <geekosaur> initially it was on workspace 1 with my shell window and correctly took up half the screen (TwoPane)
22:28:11 <aegon> what does the isFullscreen --> doFullFlot manage hook look like? or the ewmh i'll try different combos and see if one of em is a silve bullet, looking through docs now
22:28:33 <liskin> aegon: it's literally just that, "isFullscreen --> doFullFloat" :-)
22:29:28 <geekosaur> literally that, in the manageHook, but it needs XMonad.Hooks.ManageHelpers imported
22:29:48 <liskin> aegon: https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib-0.16.999/XMonad-Hooks-EwmhDesktops.html#v:ewmhFullscreen
22:30:00 <liskin> here are the docs for the git version
22:30:07 <liskin> not sure if google picked them up yet
22:32:57 <aegon> hmm, not the isFullScreen hook
22:37:35 <liskin> https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/blob/168775b0fcfb6f8d1c2191e7b868e5b636988401/.xmonad/xmonad.hs#L233
22:37:37 <aegon> huh, my version of contrib didnt have ewmhFullscreen but passing the config through ewmh fixed evrything
22:38:10 <geekosaur> why am I not surprised?
22:38:15 <aegon> thats wierd, what is that doing differently and why do a ton of apps rely on it.
22:38:48 <geekosaur> bet this is like the problem dminuoso was having the other day, we need to put more stuff in _NET_SUPPORTED
22:39:06 <geekosaur> or any stuff in this case
22:39:49 <geekosaur> anyway we do/should recommend ewmh first when things don't work specifically because of this
22:40:10 <geekosaur> as dminuoso discovered, it's more than just fullscreen involved
22:40:25 <aegon> rtfm-ing on ewmh and it makes more sense that things might rely on it
22:43:00 <aegon> geekosaur: liskin: thanks for helping me find that, i've been avoiding apps with the problem for almost 3 years now, every once in a while i try to tackle it again and understand why things aren't working. Shoulda tried asking here :)
22:43:42 <geekosaur> I shoulda thought of that first :( especially whyen I saw your config didn't have it
22:43:51 <aegon> i wonder if this fixes soem steam issues i had a long time ago / gave up on, I'll try that out this weekend
22:46:38 <geekosaur> steam might also be mono support which still requires me to find something that breaks and play around with external reparenting
22:46:54 <geekosaur> since rewiring xmonad to be a reparenting wm would be a lot of work
22:47:10 <liskin> I haven't seen any xmonad-related problem with steam games for quite a while
22:47:24 <liskin> and I do play games somewhat often lately
22:48:07 <geekosaur> 9interestiing, maybe mono fixed its interaction with nonreparenting wms when nobody was looking (same problem as java, minus hackaround)
22:48:25 <liskin> so I'd say there's a fair chance that using ewmh/ewmhFullscreen and recent xmonad will just be happy sailing for others as well
22:48:29 <geekosaur> (or maybe they adopted the same hackaround for compatibility)
22:48:58 <liskin> it's still possible I'm not playing any mono games
22:49:12 <liskin> the one I do uses wine/proton
22:49:46 <liskin> oh actually there's libmono.so in a couple games here
22:49:48 <liskin> and all just work
22:56:54 <aegon> this is pretty exciting, if you know of any games that were having mono issues i'd be happy to help test
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