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| 01:59:29 | <sav3d[m]> | Does xmonad have a drop down app menu like in openbox or i3 |
| 02:03:43 | <geekosaur> | nothing built in, no. one might be able to make one using dmenu/yeganesh, or a different style from GridSelect |
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| 02:17:26 | <geekosaur> | there's also XMonad.Prompt.Shell |
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| 02:25:25 | <fizzie> | Huh. I sort of misremembered there was something in contrib that could read .desktop files, but maybe not. (Never really been looking for it.) |
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| 02:32:33 | <geekosaur> | I don't see one offhand |
| 02:33:07 | <sav3d[m]> | I gotta use xmenu |
| 02:33:26 | <fizzie> | Yeah, it was probably something external that I just read about in an Xmonad context. |
| 02:34:13 | <sav3d[m]> | I have it installed i just gotta take time to build the menu |
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| 03:09:50 | <sav3d[m]> | What am I getting wrong here |
| 03:10:35 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 03:10:35 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 03:10:35 | sav3d[m] | uploaded an image: (312KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pSXaPZhcVYrzWwPpGdeLopNY/ima_e4249e0.jpeg > |
| 03:11:53 | <geekosaur> | you need to pass something for a KeyMask (it's a tuple, not a list, it must have 2 elements) |
| 03:12:15 | <sav3d[m]> | I just want it to right click open |
| 03:12:16 | <sav3d[m]> | How do I do that |
| 03:12:21 | <geekosaur> | and I strongly recommend not using 0 because it'll take button2 away from all applications |
| 03:13:20 | <sav3d[m]> | Oo |
| 03:13:31 | <sav3d[m]> | I just want to use right click on the root menu to open xmenu |
| 03:15:52 | <geekosaur> | you'd be better off using an external application for that |
| 03:16:20 | <geekosaur> | see xclickroot which is designed to go along with xmenu (cf. https://github.com/phillbush/xmenu) |
| 03:19:55 | <sav3d[m]> | Ya |
| 03:20:31 | <sav3d[m]> | Another question I’m trying to set super to dmenu and I’m getting this error |
| 03:20:36 | <sav3d[m]> | Variable not in scope dmenu_rub |
| 03:20:38 | <sav3d[m]> | Run* |
| 03:21:30 | <geekosaur> | spawn "dmenu_run" |
| 03:22:29 | <sav3d[m]> | Ya I forgot to set the variable |
| 03:31:30 | <sav3d[m]> | So I’m my xmonad settings |
| 03:31:39 | <sav3d[m]> | Rofi is set as default (I’m using Archcraft) |
| 03:31:56 | <sav3d[m]> | I get a huge error when I do spawn “dmenu_run” |
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| 03:32:59 | sav3d[m] | uploaded an image: (329KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kdTQeuVppNCIFPdsZPMqzBTS/ima_2b7a8fd.jpeg > |
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| 03:34:11 | <sav3d[m]> | Fixed |
| 03:34:18 | <geekosaur> | are you using that binding anywhere? |
| 03:34:22 | <sav3d[m]> | I had to set the variable above for whatever reason |
| 03:34:44 | <sav3d[m]> | I set it to this and left the name |
| 03:35:06 | sav3d[m] | uploaded an image: (269KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nLLjNprOiCYxdCayoaZNmhYk/ima_49ecc26.jpeg > |
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| 06:09:55 | <amenonsen> | oh. |
| 06:10:09 | <amenonsen> | xmonad is at 0.15-something and xmonad-contrib is at 0.16-something. |
| 06:11:46 | <amenonsen> | liskin: if i want to try out your EWMH window refactoring PR in #399, what version(s) should i use? |
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| 07:02:42 | <Solid> | amenonsen: xmonad-git and checking out the PR is your best bet |
| 07:11:15 | <amenonsen> | Solid: if i just "cabal install" in the checked-out xmonad-contrib, i get a "Could not resolve dependencies" error, the gist of which is "(conflict: xmonad-contrib => xmonad>=0.16.9999 && <0.18)" |
| 07:11:51 | <Solid> | which is why I said xmonad-git :) |
| 07:12:09 | <amenonsen> | ah, i see. xmonad is not _tagged_ 0.16, but xmonad.cabal does set `version = 0.16.9999` already |
| 07:13:31 | <amenonsen> | i wonder how much breakage i should be prepared for. |
| 07:14:23 | <Solid> | core has not changed _that much_ |
| 07:14:44 | <Solid> | there are a lot of breaking changes for contrib, but I reckon "most" configs should compile just fine or only need one or two changes |
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| 07:23:29 | <amenonsen> | will xmonad HEAD work with the older xmonad-contrib modules for the time it takes me to run cabal install in xmonad-contrib? |
| 07:23:35 | <amenonsen> | or should i be trying to do both together? |
| 07:23:58 | <amenonsen> | i guess i should install one, install the other, and only then restart. |
| 07:29:13 | <amenonsen> | "Continuing even though the plan contains dangerous reinstalls." (X11-xft) |
| 07:31:56 | <amenonsen> | it failed to build XMonad.Layout.LayoutCombinators because of some «Ambiguous occurrence ‘JumpToLayout’» |
| 07:32:37 | <amenonsen> | looks like there's a commit in master that might fix it. |
| 07:33:13 | amenonsen | cherry-picks |
| 07:36:07 | <amenonsen> | it worked. |
| 07:36:09 | <amenonsen> | i mean, it built. |
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| 07:37:14 | <amenonsen> | it restarted OK too. |
| 07:38:20 | <Solid> | \o/ |
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| 09:20:41 | <vojjvoda[m]> | what version are you on? |
| 09:21:45 | <vojjvoda[m]> | my xmonad is 0.15 |
| 09:23:07 | <amenonsen> | mine is (now) 0.16.9999 |
| 09:23:28 | <vojjvoda[m]> | any major changes? |
| 09:24:23 | <amenonsen> | not that i've noticed. |
| 09:51:58 | <Solid> | the most visible change is perhaps improved XDG handling |
| 09:52:12 | <Solid> | A full changelog is here: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/CHANGES.md |
| 09:54:30 | <Solid> | contrib has had much (much) more work done in the meantime; so much so that it takes up almost half of the changes.md file ( https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/CHANGES.md ) |
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| 10:32:31 | <vojjvoda[m]> | so i can finally use XMONAD_CONFIG_DIR |
| 10:32:47 | <vojjvoda[m]> | good to know |
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| 10:53:41 | <Solid> | XMONAD_CONFIG_DIR is fully supported even in 0.15 |
| 10:54:25 | <Solid> | this is strictly for better integration with XDG_*_HOME variables |
| 10:55:02 | <vojjvoda[m]> | I couldn't get it working |
| 10:55:53 | <vojjvoda[m]> | I set up all three variables in /etc/environment but xmonad errored out saying ~/.xmonad doesnt exist |
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| 11:44:20 | <liskin> | Solid: oh crap will 0.17 really be as big as all the previous releases combined? |
| 11:45:18 | <liskin> | we need to release soon then |
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| 11:48:08 | <Solid> | liskin: it's about 700 lines of the 1500 line changes.md |
| 11:48:16 | <Solid> | but that only goes back to 0.9 |
| 11:48:27 | <Solid> | but it's definitely the biggest release in many years |
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| 13:53:31 | <amenonsen> | liskin: i'm happy to report that EWMH window activation is working nicely for me with your #399 |
| 13:53:55 | <amenonsen> | (even though i see from the comments by now that you needed no further confirmation of this.) |
| 13:58:30 | <electr0n> | stoked for LayoutCombinators (JumpToLayout) being migrated to XMonad.Layout. been a pain to get that working the right way esp since I should just migrate to stack vs pacman. |
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| 14:27:54 | <amenonsen> | what are they/what do they do? |
| 14:45:50 | <geekosaur> | it's a replacement for the core's (|||) that allows JumpToLayout to work |
| 14:46:19 | <geekosaur> | which means it's a bit of a pain to set up, which is why we're migrating it to core |
| 14:49:02 | <amenonsen> | is that like how i have a `myLayoutHook = … where usual = minimize(Full ||| Tiled ||| Mirror tiled)` ? |
| 14:49:15 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 14:49:40 | <geekosaur> | but you have to cycle through them with mod-space, there's no way to select one programmatically |
| 14:49:48 | <geekosaur> | which is what JumpToLayout provides |
| 14:50:38 | <amenonsen> | ah. thanks, now i understand. |
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| 14:58:00 | <liskin> | amenonsen: good to hear |
| 14:58:28 | <liskin> | But yeah, I didn't expect trouble with the implementation, it's the docs that are missing. |
| 14:58:45 | <liskin> | And the implementation will quite likely change anyway :-) |
| 14:59:32 | <liskin> | Dunno why I can't make myself get to it. Been postponing it too long and now it's this huge scary daemon or something :-/ |
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| 16:23:47 | <Solid> | liskin: the faster that's done, the faster we can release 0.17, the faster people will be hyped up and (more) willing to drop money on the project |
| 16:23:55 | <Solid> | see it as an indirect payment :D |
| 16:24:02 | <liskin> | well actually |
| 16:24:09 | <liskin> | I'm just writing that e-mail |
| 16:24:22 | <Solid> | oh neat |
| 16:25:17 | <liskin> | and we might actually want to do the release (and the associated inevitable front page hacker news stuff :-D) only after we get the first couple dozen sponsors |
| 16:25:25 | <liskin> | but I'll stop the spoilers and get back to writing |
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| 16:25:47 | <amenonsen> | oh, sponsors? where do i read more? |
| 16:25:57 | <liskin> | (I don't actually think we'll need to delay the release artificially) |
| 16:25:58 | <Solid> | maybe we'll at least get on the lobste.rs frontpage :P |
| 16:26:32 | <liskin> | amenonsen: nowhere just yet |
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| 16:27:16 | <liskin> | amenonsen: right now all we have is my own personal github sponsors profile that isn't very popular |
| 16:27:30 | <liskin> | possibly because I'm the worst marketing person ever |
| 16:29:12 | <geekosaur> | second worst :þ |
| 16:29:23 | <liskin> | true :-D |
| 17:31:50 | <liskin> | oh crap, seems like I've become one of those people whose text/plain parts look terrible |
| 17:32:16 | <liskin> | seems like format=flowed and markdown lists don't play along |
| 17:33:08 | <liskin> | (I write mails as markdown and mutt converts them to multipart with pandocced html before sending) |
| 17:33:52 | <Solid> | yeah anything that needs alignment will be a bad experience with f=f |
| 17:34:13 | <Solid> | one then has to mix hard and soft newlines... I guess that's one of the reasons why not many people use it these days |
| 17:41:18 | <liskin> | yep, will need to think about it next time |
| 17:44:47 | <Solid> | (funnily enough, it looks completely fine to me now that I actually go the mail) |
| 17:44:52 | <Solid> | s/go/got/ |
| 17:45:18 | <liskin> | it looks crap in my mutt |
| 17:49:45 | <Solid> | more proof that emacs is better :D |
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| 18:00:14 | <fizzie> | The solution is, of course, to simply ensure a text/markdown part gets natively rendered by all email software and web-based email purveyors. With a matching dialect of Markdown. |
| 18:02:08 | <liskin> | Hm, that might be the issue: it's not a text/markdown part, it's text/plain. |
| 18:02:41 | <liskin> | If I send text/markdown most clients won't know what to do with that at all, no? |
| 18:05:50 | <Solid> | probably not |
| 18:06:12 | <Solid> | and another markdown dialect is most definitely _not_ something that'll improve this situation |
| 18:10:28 | <triumphofdeath[m> | ...hi @ALL, what is in your opinion the best way to install the xmonad - desktop to get into it, and make it with modified settings your own (Arco ...) ??? |
| 18:12:51 | <irishlucklinux[m> | You could do ARCO but that has a lot of fluff in their. I say just download it and configure to your liking. Their are good resources out their now |
| 18:17:29 | <triumphofdeath[m> | irishlucklinux[m]: ... and which ??? |
| 18:22:56 | <Solid> | triumphofdeath[m: you might have a gander at the tutorial: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/TUTORIAL.md |
| 18:48:05 | <liskin> | oh, speaking of the tutorial, I just merged my PR to xmonad-web, so we have this now: https://xmonad.org/TUTORIAL.html |
| 18:49:16 | <Solid> | oh neat |
| 18:50:34 | <Solid> | does this do something clever to use the file from the xmonad repo? |
| 18:50:45 | <liskin> | yep, daily git submodule update |
| 18:50:58 | <Solid> | awww yeah |
| 18:51:02 | <Solid> | thanks <3 |
| 18:51:19 | <liskin> | github pages happens to work with submodules without any extra effort |
| 19:19:48 | <vojjvoda[m]> | AAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 19:19:56 | <vojjvoda[m]> | LATEX NE RADI SA ĆIRILICOM |
| 19:19:58 | <vojjvoda[m]> | :)))) |
| 19:23:59 | <vojjvoda[m]> | https://gitlab.com/vojjvoda/manifest/-/blob/master/manifest.md |
| 19:25:31 | <Solid> | uh... wrong channel? |
| 19:26:06 | <vojjvoda[m]> | sorry, wrong channel |
| 19:26:44 | <vojjvoda[m]> | i thouught i was sending my frustration with latex to a friend |
| 19:26:54 | <vojjvoda[m]> | latex doesnt like cyrilic |
| 19:28:04 | <Solid> | really? I figured babel would be enough to make it work |
| 19:28:32 | <vojjvoda[m]> | yeah im looking for a fix, im new to latex |
| 19:29:23 | <Solid> | even pdflatex should be able to handle most "language" unicode (the few times I had to use kanji symbols it worked fine, for example) |
| 19:29:42 | <Solid> | though if you want to define \newcommand's and stuff in cyrilic as well you may need lualatex or something |
| 19:29:57 | <vojjvoda[m]> | id really doesnt like : нешто попут овог |
| 19:30:35 | <vojjvoda[m]> | this is xmonad chat, sorry |
| 19:30:52 | <Solid> | no xmonad talk going on right now ;) |
| 19:31:26 | vojjvoda[m] | uploaded an image: (726KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rgISUftThRPyymEwfcCVgdXE/clipboard.png > |
| 19:31:38 | <vojjvoda[m]> | here's mine rendition :D |
| 19:32:55 | <Solid> | oh that's a neat notification |
| 19:36:57 | <vojjvoda[m]> | thanks ! |
| 19:39:29 | <Solid> | just for completeness: http://ix.io/3uUI works for me |
| 19:42:31 | <vojjvoda[m]> | oh, nice, thanks |
| 19:43:24 | liskin | recommends lualatex or xelatex, otherwise foreign language support with be a massive pain |
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