Logs on 2021-08-16 (liberachat/#xmonad)
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| 06:06:09 | <Solid> | liskin: since the open collective page ( https://opencollective.com/xmonad ) has an "our team" section I guess it would be nice if everyone was there |
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| 08:13:22 | <liskin> | Solid: makes sense, invitations sent |
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| 09:36:40 | <unrooted> | I dunno what am I doing with my life |
| 09:36:41 | <unrooted> | https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/p5cit0/bedrock_linux_haskell_hell_paradise/ |
| 09:36:41 | <unrooted> | but I've posted this |
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| 11:20:31 | <mc47> | unrooted it's looking good |
| 11:20:33 | <mc47> | really clean |
| 11:21:31 | <unrooted> | thanks |
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| 18:19:26 | vojjvoda[m] | uploaded an image: (1301KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KXiCwsFVWruRAoZnhcZaGrHP/clipboard.png > |
| 18:19:27 | <vojjvoda[m]> | xmobar is my favourite bar |
| 18:58:59 | <burp> | mine too |
| 18:59:14 | <burp> | much flavor |
| 19:00:30 | <burp> | libera has an official matrix bridge now? |
| 19:01:48 | <geekosaur> | for some time, yes |
| 19:12:50 | <Las[m]> | Nice background |
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| 19:49:14 | <liskin> | vojjvoda[m]: that is a very pretty xmobar indeed! |
| 19:49:23 | <liskin> | vojjvoda[m]: what's the camera icon do? |
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| 19:59:50 | <Zarter[m]> | I am configuring my gentoo USE flags and I need to decide which de/wm I'll use, I am strongly considering xmonad, although is the config hard, and it has no support for floating windows, will it make it hard to browse the internet or such? |
| 20:01:49 | <vifon> | It has support for floating windows, it's just a very clearly a secondary thing. |
| 20:02:04 | <vifon> | "Hard" how? What are your worries? |
| 20:02:25 | <Zarter[m]> | vifon: ohh, thx |
| 20:02:50 | <Zarter[m]> | vifon: The setup, is it like kde and gnome, just install and play? |
| 20:03:27 | <vifon> | Far from it. Think about it as of a framework to create the WM of your dreams. |
| 20:03:43 | <vifon> | It's definitely usable almost out of the box, but you will want to tinker with it. |
| 20:04:06 | <Zarter[m]> | and btw, this is my first tiling wm, although I don't want to go for a medioker one first due to compiling... |
| 20:04:08 | <vifon> | If you have no experience with such WMs, AwesomeWM or i3wm may be a better start. |
| 20:04:36 | <vifon> | Disclaimer: clearly just an opinion. |
| 20:04:45 | <Zarter[m]> | but recompiling everything will be a huge hassel |
| 20:05:14 | <vifon> | You won't need to recompile everything. |
| 20:05:19 | <vifon> | Just some specific programs. |
| 20:05:23 | <Zarter[m]> | But how hars is it to learn? |
| 20:05:36 | <vifon> | Do you have any experience with Haskell? |
| 20:05:45 | <Zarter[m]> | I mean probably, I will flag xmonad |
| 20:06:02 | <Zarter[m]> | vifon: no experience at all... or any proframing languahe for that matter... |
| 20:06:18 | <vifon> | I see no such USE flag. |
| 20:06:20 | <vifon> | https://www.gentoo.org/support/use-flags/ |
| 20:06:50 | <vifon> | I'd say go with i3wm for now and then explore other solutions. |
| 20:07:25 | <Zarter[m]> | you are right, I supose I can just dissable the support for most distros |
| 20:07:41 | <Zarter[m]> | wm/de* |
| 20:08:06 | <vifon> | With XMonad you'd need to learn a new programming language (and programming itself in your case), how to efficiently use a tiling WM and then how to setup a non-DE. |
| 20:08:09 | <Zarter[m]> | i3vm, is that the same a normal i3? |
| 20:08:39 | <Zarter[m]> | I supose you are right |
| 20:08:48 | <vifon> | https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/x11-wm/i3 |
| 20:08:50 | <vifon> | This package, yes. |
| 20:09:13 | <Zarter[m]> | I have heard a lot of bad stuff about i3 though |
| 20:09:18 | <Zarter[m]> | but me, I trust you |
| 20:09:22 | <vifon> | Definitely do experiment, but I'd say focus on getting a working solution first so you won't get frustrated from the get go. |
| 20:09:38 | <vifon> | Bad stuff like what? |
| 20:09:59 | <Zarter[m]> | But i3 is a good tiling windows maneger, whould you say it is better than awsome? |
| 20:10:14 | <vifon> | It's quite fine. It turned into a McDonald's of tiling WMs as it's easy to get into, but it's totally fine. And you probably need exactly that. |
| 20:10:25 | <vifon> | Yes, I'd say i3 will be an easier start. |
| 20:11:10 | <Zarter[m]> | I don't need the easiest, I can have a bit of a learning curve, but not learning a whole language ofc |
| 20:11:27 | <Zarter[m]> | but which whould you say is the best, i3 or awsome? |
| 20:11:40 | <vifon> | Most tiling WMs use *some* language. The AwesomeWM config is in Lua. It may look arcane too at fist. |
| 20:11:51 | <vifon> | i3wm uses a simple config file, no programming involved. |
| 20:11:58 | <vifon> | *at first |
| 20:12:41 | <Zarter[m]> | hmm, I supose |
| 20:12:55 | <vifon> | And changing between them wouldn't involve much compilation. I don't think there are any relevant USE flags. At least not important ones. |
| 20:13:13 | <vifon> | Not on the scale of GNOME/KDE. |
| 20:13:55 | <vifon> | Compiling the whole i3wm shouldn't take longer than a minute if you already have the dependencies too. |
| 20:14:01 | <vifon> | Zarter[m]: Is this your first time on Gentoo? |
| 20:14:41 | <Zarter[m]> | Should I add the USE flag containing i3 or should I just remove thr largest normal ones? |
| 20:14:56 | <vifon> | For example? |
| 20:15:15 | <Zarter[m]> | kde, gnome xfce etc. |
| 20:15:28 | <vifon> | Just remove them. |
| 20:15:37 | <Zarter[m]> | vifon: yes |
| 20:15:57 | <Zarter[m]> | What do you use? |
| 20:15:57 | <vifon> | I see literally one package with the "i3wm" flag: polybar. And you're probably going to use i3bar anyway for now. |
| 20:16:06 | <vifon> | So don't stress over it at all right now. |
| 20:16:39 | <Zarter[m]> | So I shoukd Use add i3wm as a use flag? |
| 20:16:45 | <vifon> | Nah. |
| 20:16:48 | <vifon> | You don't need it. |
| 20:16:54 | <Zarter[m]> | okay |
| 20:17:08 | <vifon> | Do you know about equery? |
| 20:17:22 | <vifon> | "equery h i3wm" should list you the packages with this flag. |
| 20:17:39 | <vifon> | And "equery u $SOME_PACKAGE" describes what each flag does. |
| 20:17:48 | <vifon> | So you won't be guessing. |
| 20:18:03 | <Zarter[m]> | I'll jusy remove the main ones, I greafly appreshiate the help, and almost everyone on matrix is nice (recently moved from discord) |
| 20:20:20 | <vifon> | The biggest thing to learn about the tiling WMs isn't actually about the tiling. It's about how they are not DEs, so you need to handle lots of things yourself. The programs to run at startup, screen locking, managing multiple screens. |
| 20:20:31 | <vifon> | On KDE it's all in the menus and KDE does it for you. |
| 20:22:04 | <Zarter[m]> | vifon: I like havinf more control |
| 20:22:15 | <Zarter[m]> | I guess it's worth a try |
| 20:22:32 | <vifon> | Sure. I just mention it as something to be aware of. |
| 20:26:29 | <Zarter[m]> | yeah, one day I'll be back! (I wont actually leave but I'll be active once more. Just ping me if there is anything you want to so :) ) |
| 22:01:01 | <vojjvoda[m]> | <liskin> "војвода: what's the camera..." <- clickable screenshot text |
| 22:04:57 | <vojjvoda[m]> | <Zarter[m]> "but recompiling everything will..." <- it never is a hassle. I find it better actually. Both dwm and xmonad require recompile |
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| 22:06:19 | <Zarter[m]> | vojjvoda[m]: I recently realised it, I didn't understand portage then, well, I still don't completely but I understand more |
| 22:06:55 | <vojjvoda[m]> | well, it's brave of you to hop onto gentoo hahaha |
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