Logs on 2021-09-06 (liberachat/#xmonad)
| 00:05:24 | <liskin> | Why did everyone go silent after I spoke? :-( |
| 00:14:46 | <geekosaur> | everyone went silent in every channel I'm in so I don't think it was you |
| 00:20:06 | <liskin> | Oh, good |
| 00:21:22 | <liskin> | geekosaur: did you see those mails about HF affiliation and stuff, btw? |
| 00:22:02 | <geekosaur> | yeh, altough I was kinda short in network during the week so they're kinda buried somewhere in my inbox |
| 00:22:57 | <geekosaur> | I still worry about the HF being more about corporate users than little folks like us |
| 00:28:44 | <liskin> | Yeah, I'm starting to worry too, and it's something folks are discussing these days at the Haskell discourse |
| 00:29:26 | <liskin> | We'll see where it goes I guess |
| 00:29:48 | <liskin> | Ideally everyone benefits |
| 00:30:21 | <liskin> | But getting any money flowing our way will be hard. |
| 00:31:35 | <liskin> | Getting any money flowing any way is always hard I guess. I sent an email to Andrew from the HF about this a couple days ago and he said getting those corporate sponsorships was a lot of work |
| 00:31:47 | <geekosaur> | yeh, tbh I consider this to be a bit of a long shot, xmonad is not the type of project likely to attract much in the way of sponsors |
| 00:33:24 | <geekosaur> | and xmonad in particular is not going to be very interesting to corporate users because they tend to prefer centralized configuration |
| 00:34:57 | <liskin> | Yeah. I thought some of those Haskell consultancies might do it just for publicity or because a high profile person there is a user or something |
| 00:35:31 | <liskin> | People used to say that xmonad is how they got into Haskell |
| 00:35:52 | <liskin> | But I feel like it's no longer as relevant as it used to be :-( |
| 00:37:45 | <geekosaur> | we've been silent for too long, hopefully kicking out a new release will help |
| 00:38:04 | <liskin> | Possibly |
| 00:38:23 | <liskin> | I'm not very good at this community building thing |
| 00:38:54 | <geekosaur> | nor am I, which really doesn't help much |
| 00:39:13 | <liskin> | I try to reach out to folks on Twitter sometimes or reddit, but it rarely leads anywhere |
| 00:39:47 | <geekosaur> | also, sadly, while xmonad got a bunch of folks into Haskell, that doesn't mean they stuck around the xmonad community |
| 00:39:59 | <liskin> | Having a high bar for contributions doesn't help either |
| 00:40:08 | <liskin> | But I can't help it :-( |
| 00:41:32 | <liskin> | Anyway, I need to sleep. Let's hope Tomas manages to get some donors and that I manage to finish the release soon :-) |
| 00:42:24 | <geekosaur> | indeed |
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| 05:28:09 | <Solid> | liskin: I don't think the HF would be a good way to attract money; additional publicity perhaps (although on the Haskell Discourse there was some discussion about how much of their budget should be spent on free software projects) |
| 05:30:34 | <Solid> | btw, should we set a deadline for the release? maybe work will be more coordinated that way :) |
| 06:11:14 | <Hash> | How do you restart xmobarrc |
| 06:11:32 | <Hash> | I just did meta+q to restart xmonad and something weird is happening, it's not showing up |
| 06:13:23 | <Hash> | RefreshRate: number of tenths of second between re-runs of the command. A zero or negative rate means that the command will be executed only once. |
| 06:13:33 | <Hash> | what, 1/10th of a sec |
| 06:13:35 | <Hash> | huh |
| 06:14:59 | <Hash> | Run Network "enp6s0" ["-t","Net: <rx>, <tx>","-H","200","-L","10","-h","#FFB6B0","-l","#CEFFAC","-n","#FFFFCC"] 10, |
| 06:15:15 | <Hash> | What does this mean? if refresh rate is '10', that means it's 1/10th of a second already? |
| 06:15:45 | <Hash> | Run Weather "KBDU" ["-t","<tempF>°F <skyCondition>","-L","64","-H","77","-n","#CEFFAC","-h","#FFB6B0","-l","#96CBFE"] 36000, |
| 06:15:53 | <Hash> | Weather is 36000 |
| 06:18:46 | <Hash> | In this case xmobar will run the weather monitor, getting information for the weather station ID EGPF (Glasgow Airport, as a homage to GHC) every hour (36000 tenth of seconds), with a template that will output something like: |
| 06:18:56 | <Hash> | I see |
| 06:19:28 | <Hash> | So whatever you want * 10 should be specified here. ok |
| 06:19:55 | <Hash> | and 10 = 1 sec |
| 06:20:06 | <Hash> | why did someone make it a factor of 10? Confusion. |
| 06:23:21 | <Hash> | I'll share my configs |
| 06:24:06 | <Hash> | https://termbin.com/m3t7 xmobarrc |
| 06:24:14 | <Hash> | https://termbin.com/y1lq xmonad.hs |
| 06:24:34 | <Hash> | The xmobar takes a very long time to show up when I restart xmonad |
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| 07:02:41 | <Hash> | Oh it eaems I don't have weather X |
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| 07:18:55 | <Solid> | the fact that times are specified in ms is probably historical baggage |
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| 07:20:35 | <tomsmeding> | deciseconds? |
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| 07:33:12 | <Solid> | oh right, deciseconds and not ms |
| 07:35:58 | <liskin> | Solid: we had a deadline in Github milestones before, didn't help :-) |
| 07:36:48 | <Solid> | liskin: I mean a real deadline; one where we _really_ say "anything that's not done up until this point has to wait until 0.18" |
| 07:37:09 | <Solid> | I dunno if it would introduce unnecessary stress or anything like that, but it seems like the only way to actually make this release :D |
| 07:38:03 | <liskin> | Hm, maybe |
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| 08:13:23 | <liskin> | Oh, we have a first $25 sponsor, which means we need to figure out where to list the sponsors and whether to post shoutouts individually or grouped :-) |
| 08:13:27 | <liskin> | That's a nice problem to have! |
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| 08:26:30 | <mc47> | Solid, liskin: for me, a deadline around half october seems realistic |
| 08:27:30 | <mc47> | and for shoutouts: an individual shoutout on twitter might be nice, especially these are the first sponsors |
| 08:28:06 | <mc47> | and maybe a sponsors section in the website, in the community page |
| 08:29:13 | <mc47> | (the thesis is taking longer than expected... hopefully I manage to submit it this week and do the presentation next week) |
| 08:41:36 | <Solid> | these things always take longer than expected :P |
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| 08:51:35 | <mc47> | I really thought I'd be done in mid august by the latest since I started too early... The deadline is in nine days lol |
| 08:52:02 | <mc47> | it was fun though |
| 08:52:36 | <liskin> | The thing with individual shoutouts is that they're in conflict with trying not to overwhelm people with spam about sponsors until the fundraiser has gained momentum :-/ |
| 08:52:47 | <liskin> | Not sure how to deal with this. Should've thought this through when setting the goals |
| 08:54:28 | <mc47> | hmm, that's true |
| 08:57:06 | <mc47> | A shoutout tweet each two weeks, maybe? |
| 09:19:13 | <liskin> | sounds like a good compromise |
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| 21:13:44 | <M-elo-[m]> | How far away are we from 17? |
| 21:13:47 | <M-elo-[m]> | * we from 0.17? |
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| 21:19:05 | <geekosaur> | there was some discussion earlier, I think we're trying to shoot for mid october |
| 21:19:15 | <M-elo-[m]> | Nice! |
| 21:19:19 | <geekosaur> | that said we've bloen past some earlier attempts at deadlines |
| 21:19:39 | <M-elo-[m]> | I am somewhat curious how the new (if there will be one) release schedule will look like |
| 21:20:12 | <M-elo-[m]> | Still waiting for ConditionalLayoutModifier to merge so I think I might have to wait longer than 0.17 |
| 21:34:28 | <liskin> | M-elo-[m]: little has changes since we last talked about this :-/ |
| 21:34:32 | <liskin> | *changed |
| 21:36:06 | <liskin> | the best way to get ConditionalLayoutModifier merged soon is to simply work on it, because I really can't promise I'll get to it this month |
| 21:36:37 | <liskin> | there's only so much one can do in their free time |
| 21:40:54 | <M-elo-[m]> | liskin: I was not expecting much to begin with so it's cool |
| 21:42:03 | <M-elo-[m]> | Don't think I'll be contributing anything since Ivan's work required rework and my hello_world skills won't be much of help unfortunately |
| 21:43:30 | <M-elo-[m]> | * my hello_world.hs skills |
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