Logs on 2021-10-08 (liberachat/#xmonad)
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| 03:35:17 | <jakefromstatefar> | There are some weird bugs I've faced when trying out new layouts. |
| 03:35:17 | <jakefromstatefar> | Hopefully there's a safer/more reliable method to test them out after these major refactorings. |
| 03:36:48 | <jakefromstatefar> | I have a set of modifiers that I like to apply to all my layouts, but in using them with some layouts. Things just go to hell. The windows bug out, their borders start flickering. It's weeird. |
| 03:37:44 | <jakefromstatefar> | I've it mostly stable, I think (AKA removing those modifiers from the layouts that bug out). So, I'll bother with that some other time. |
| 03:46:10 | <burp> | oh, xmonad on HN frontpage |
| 03:46:14 | <burp> | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28793941 |
| 03:46:26 | <TheWizardTower[m> | \m/ |
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| 06:06:38 | <Solid> | and half of the comments are about MacOS *shudder* |
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| 06:41:32 | <TheWizardTower[m> | oh man. |
| 06:41:33 | <TheWizardTower[m> | not a good time. |
| 06:41:41 | <TheWizardTower[m> | amethyst tries, bless it's heart. |
| 06:41:46 | <TheWizardTower[m> | but. man. |
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| 06:44:03 | <Solid> | what's amethyst? |
| 06:44:30 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Amethyst is the OSX cough excuse me macOS re-implementation of xmonad. |
| 06:44:43 | <TheWizardTower[m> | It gets about 60% of it right. |
| 06:44:44 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Sorta. |
| 06:44:57 | <TheWizardTower[m> | My last job had me stuck on a mbp for a bit before I escaped. |
| 06:45:06 | <TheWizardTower[m> | It was......... profoundly unpleasant. |
| 06:45:28 | <Solid> | it's insane how much energy people put into producing free software for this proprietary dumpster fire |
| 06:45:37 | <TheWizardTower[m> | ikr |
| 06:46:09 | <TheWizardTower[m> | The funny thing is, I specifically talked with the recruiter saying "I can't work on a mac. Can we get a different laptop?" |
| 06:46:14 | <TheWizardTower[m> | she said "totes." |
| 06:46:29 | <TheWizardTower[m> | the catch was, yes, we could, but not until we joined a team permanently. |
| 06:46:40 | <TheWizardTower[m> | While we were in "bootcamp" mode, we were stuck on macs. |
| 06:46:47 | <TheWizardTower[m> | was utterly awful. |
| 06:50:31 | <liskin> | not a good time indeed :-/ |
| 06:59:53 | <liskin> | (well, we do have 2 new sponsors since tbabej dropped the sponsors link 5 hours ago, so that's good, but I had very different plans for today than answering question at HN) |
| 07:09:45 | <Solid> | eh, I wouldn't bother |
| 07:16:02 | <liskin> | do unto others as you'd have them do unto you |
| 07:16:24 | <liskin> | I always love when people from the project chime into HN discussions |
| 07:21:38 | <Solid> | that's fair enough |
| 07:21:48 | <Solid> | I never really "got" HN, tbh |
| 07:23:17 | <liskin> | yeah, a lot of people just discard it as trash, and a lot of people discard twitter and facebook and slashdot and everything else as well |
| 07:24:01 | Solid | seems to be one of those people |
| 07:24:17 | <Solid> | actually, I have read some good threads on lobste.rs |
| 07:24:22 | <liskin> | but every single one of these has some influence, so I believe it's good to try to use it somehow for good |
| 07:26:33 | <Solid> | I suppose so |
| 07:26:51 | <Solid> | thank god I'm not in charge of marketing for... anything :) |
| 07:27:00 | <liskin> | :-) |
| 07:27:20 | <liskin> | it's a painful learning experience for me, I must admit |
| 07:28:10 | <liskin> | I mean, I have no hope of ever understanding how posting a link to xmonad.org which hasn't changed in months and has been around for over a decade suddenly makes it to the front page |
| 07:28:37 | <liskin> | probably just a bunch of random events occurring at the same time, hm |
| 07:28:56 | <liskin> | I'd love a more deterministic world tbh :-) |
| 07:29:05 | <Solid> | or bots upvoting the link :> |
| 07:30:23 | <liskin> | they supposedly have systems in place to detect that |
| 07:30:41 | <liskin> | and then, why would you use bots to upvote a link to xmonad.org which hasn't changed in months and has been around for over a decade :-D |
| 07:31:59 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: so, you are github.com/mikenrafter ? |
| 07:34:26 | <Solid> | liskin: it could be a long con from that person who said he'd help us get some initial sponsors :D |
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| 07:35:02 | <liskin> | Solid: unlikely :-) |
| 07:35:39 | <liskin> | (he did send me an email this morning that he noticed the HN thread and commented about the fundraising: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794873; we got 2 new sponsors since then) |
| 07:35:54 | <liskin> | oh I already said this |
| 07:44:31 | <liskin> | oh |
| 07:44:38 | <liskin> | @xmonad has a new $200.00 one time sponsor on GitHub Sponsors (@mytskine)! |
| 07:44:39 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 07:45:04 | <Solid[m]> | :o |
| 07:45:34 | <liskin> | so I guess tomorrow will be the day when I'll actually have to add the Named sponsors to the website :-) |
| 07:45:40 | <Solid[m]> | Good thing we added the tome time sponsor option :> |
| 07:45:57 | <liskin> | yeah, so far it's turned out good |
| 07:47:48 | <Solid[m]> | Any idea what we will do with the money? Because I have none :) |
| 07:48:34 | <Solid[m]> | Maybe it'd be a good idea to pay xmonad.org's hosting fees as a start |
| 07:48:49 | <Solid[m]> | s/hosting/domain/ |
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| 08:03:20 | <liskin> | we can pocket it, for all the hard work that we've done over the last year |
| 08:03:33 | <liskin> | or we can use it to pay for work in the future |
| 08:04:41 | <liskin> | if we somehow magically get loads of it, I wouldn't really mind paying someone to conduct experiments with wayland, different data structures (like what I talked about last night), that sort of thing |
| 08:05:02 | <liskin> | and yeah, paying for the domain is a very good idea too |
| 08:05:12 | <Guest7245> | Hello, hmmm, I tried to use xmonad & kde, but when i try to compile it tell me "use ikde4Config instead of kde4Config", what's the difference ? |
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| 08:07:20 | <seiryn> | huu, forget it, it was a type and a bad debugging information |
| 08:07:46 | <liskin> | seiryn: that was some productive rubber ducking indeed :-) |
| 08:08:19 | <seiryn> | Rubber ducking is the best way to debug |
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| 08:22:48 | <Solid> | :) |
| 08:24:44 | <Solid> | liskin: pocketing it would feel pretty weird (I don't know why) but as a poor student I suppose I wouldn't object... :) |
| 08:25:55 | <liskin> | oh well, cultural differences I guess |
| 08:27:23 | <Solid> | more like the fear that accepting money would turn this from something that's fun to do on the side to something that I have some sort of obligation towards |
| 08:27:31 | <liskin> | the two people working for HF in the US are comfortable pocketing $100k a year each for the value they add to the ecosystem, and Solid here would feel weird pocketing a hundred bucks for a year worth of code contributions :-D |
| 08:27:45 | <Solid> | :D |
| 08:27:47 | <liskin> | oh, right, that is a valid concern |
| 08:28:22 | <liskin> | I'm "lucky" to be past that, it already isn't fun for me :-) |
| 08:28:28 | <liskin> | *just fun |
| 08:29:14 | <Solid> | well that edit really makes or breaks it, doesn't it :o |
| 08:29:17 | <TheWizardTower[m> | "If you're good at something, never do it for free." |
| 08:29:44 | <Solid> | TheWizardTower[m: that's why I program for free; I'm _not_ good at it :> |
| 08:29:54 | <TheWizardTower[m> | snrk |
| 08:29:58 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Well played. :) |
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| 08:31:59 | <liskin> | Solid: last month it really was me not being able to tell between the two, if I may be honest |
| 08:32:10 | <seiryn> | Sorry for all deco-reco, i try to run kde + xmonad and it doesn't work, so i keep login logut... |
| 08:32:52 | <liskin> | Solid: we've done most of the fun bits, and what needs to be done now is not fun, but it needs to be done, otherwise all the fun things were for nothing (well, for git cloners, but still) |
| 08:33:11 | <Solid> | indeed you are right |
| 08:33:33 | <TheWizardTower[m> | @selryn what's the issue? That's the config I run, and it's mostly fine. |
| 08:33:34 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 08:33:38 | <liskin> | sunken cost fallacy, kind of |
| 08:33:51 | <Solid> | my hope is that the new release will bring lots of other contributors and more fun bits, though |
| 08:33:54 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Thanks bot. |
| 08:34:47 | <liskin> | but I'm not a big fan of all these 80/20, "serve only paying customers", "do only the most impactful things" advices, so I will endure, but it's hard |
| 08:35:22 | <liskin> | anyway, 2 new (private) sponsors as europe wakes up, good |
| 08:35:44 | <liskin> | seiryn: my weechat filters that so I'm fine :-) |
| 08:36:02 | <Solid> | oh that's a good idea, actually |
| 08:36:10 | <seiryn> | i switch to tty2 anyway so that will not append anymore |
| 08:39:34 | <seiryn> | TheWizardTower[m : The issue is, xmonad doesn't run ? It's still is kde-plasma |
| 08:39:59 | <TheWizardTower[m> | `xmonad --replace` doesn't work? |
| 08:41:55 | <liskin> | okay, so I posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28796909 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28797020, and there doesn't seem to be anything else really needing a reply, so I guess I can go back to my original day plan |
| 08:43:11 | <liskin> | (we have a parliamentary election today and tomorrow, which means it's fairly likely I will be severely depressed Sunday afternoon and the week following that because we inevitably will hand the country to oligarchs for the third time) |
| 08:46:28 | <seiryn> | "xmonad --replace" work but i expected it will do that at launch ? |
| 08:46:42 | <TheWizardTower[m> | oh, right. |
| 08:46:51 | <TheWizardTower[m> | That happened to me, too, with the latest fedora update. |
| 08:47:26 | <seiryn> | So what ? |
| 08:48:10 | <TheWizardTower[m> | Something weird happened with the `KDEWM` environment variable. It isn't behaving as documentation says it ought to. |
| 08:48:22 | <TheWizardTower[m> | I've just been running `xmonad --replace` at login. *shrug* |
| 08:49:30 | <seiryn> | ~like you run it after `exec startx` is the profile ? |
| 08:49:56 | <TheWizardTower[m> | no. manually, because I'm a cave man. :) |
| 09:15:41 | <seiryn> | But my solution work or i need to put elsewere ? |
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| 12:07:01 | <zawaken> | Hi, have anyone tried compiling xmonad on RHEL 8? I'm having some issues with it. |
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| 13:35:31 | <jakefromstatefar> | <liskin> "jakefromstatefarm: so, you are..." <- Yes |
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| 13:44:42 | <geekosaur> | @tell seiryn for what little it's worth, I ran into that with a linux mint update and mate and ended up debugging the whole startup chain to find out what they'd changed (which turned out to be a window manager wrapper script that had to be taught about xmonad :( ) |
| 13:44:42 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
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| 13:44:58 | <geekosaur> | timing is everything :) |
| 13:45:31 | <geekosaur> | (you have a @message) |
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| 14:25:23 | <jakefromstatefar> | That HN discussion reminded me: Wayland is fast approaching... We need to do something about `WayMonad`, if we wish for the project to exist far into the future. |
| 14:25:53 | <jakefromstatefar> | The biggest hurdles are: A) reliance upon X11 libraries and B) segmentation of components that wayland enforces. |
| 14:25:54 | <jakefromstatefar> | Yes? |
| 14:27:53 | <liskin> | not sure what you mean by B) |
| 14:28:21 | <liskin> | I consider the biggest hurdle that I have no damn clue about what all needs to be done :-) |
| 14:28:51 | <liskin> | I should probably just try using Sway for a month or something |
| 14:29:20 | <jakefromstatefar> | B - Wayland as a protocol separates window management from layouts, and from compositing, from input, etc. |
| 14:29:24 | <jakefromstatefar> | Unless I'm missing something |
| 14:29:36 | <jakefromstatefar> | I forget where exactly the lines in the sand are. |
| 14:30:45 | <liskin> | isn't it the other way round? Xorg is fairly separated, whereas a Wayland compositor usually crams rendering, input, window management, layouts, … into a single process |
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| 15:33:35 | <jakefromstatefar> | Not that I know, I'll do some quick research. |
| 15:33:37 | <jakefromstatefar> | know of* |
| 15:41:33 | <jakefromstatefar> | Mh, yeah, it's the opposite. What you said. https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html |
| 15:41:54 | <jakefromstatefar> | So, perhaps we need to locate a suitable set of wayland libraries in haskell. |
| 15:42:05 | <jakefromstatefar> | Or, make them (probably not fun). |
| 15:42:35 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: if you're interested in this, you should probably start researching here: https://github.com/L-as/waymonad |
| 15:43:06 | <jakefromstatefar> | I looked there a while back. But it looked dead. |
| 15:43:13 | <jakefromstatefar> | I'll look again, I guess |
| 15:43:21 | <liskin> | doesn't really matter if all you need is learning |
| 15:45:25 | <jakefromstatefar> | True |
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| 15:47:37 | <geekosaur> | L-as is the live one, ongy's is the dead one |
| 15:48:32 | <geekosaur> | although it's based on a dead dependency |
| 15:49:47 | <jakefromstatefar> | Yeah, I see that now. |
| 15:50:00 | <liskin> | ongy replied to one of my HN comments, btw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28798799 |
| 15:50:18 | <jakefromstatefar> | They have a matrix room, so I'm inquiring about their wayland libraries and challenges they faced. |
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| 15:51:35 | <liskin> | it should be noted that none of the original developers of waymonad are in that matrix room, so not sure what answers you'll get |
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| 15:52:18 | <liskin> | I think Ivan elonsroadster[m] was involved back then as well, and is now back on xmonad, so he might know a bit about challenges |
| 15:53:21 | liskin | is now writing an xmobar plugin in bash, lol |
| 15:53:43 | <elonsroadster[m]> | I never got waymonad fully working |
| 15:54:30 | <liskin> | oh, I must have mistaken you for LSLeary |
| 15:54:32 | <liskin> | sorry! |
| 15:55:04 | <liskin> | LSLeary contributed some great stuff to xmonad and apparently also has commits in waymonad, but went completely AWOL a couple years ago :-( |
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| 16:14:56 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: I see you invited me to a Matrix space, but I don't have any Matrix client that is comfortable enough for frequent usage (I don't believe any such client exists at all), so I'm not sure I'll be able to participate in that space actively :-/ |
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| 16:16:33 | <Drishal[m]> | Damm Google knows I use xmoand |
| 16:17:22 | <liskin> | ♥ |
| 16:21:41 | <geekosaur> | google sees all, knows all |
| 16:21:48 | <geekosaur> | the panopticon of the internet |
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| 16:53:37 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I am definitely going to sponsor XMonad when I have some money, XMonad-contrib is really amazing aswell |
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| 17:01:45 | <liskin> | https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/commit/75dfc057c33480ee9d3300d4d02fb79a986ef3a5#diff-87ceeecfb90f21378eea9decafa779fe68bd659b3b8802982639baa30c504b8f |
| 17:01:51 | <liskin> | what have I done :-D |
| 17:03:01 | <liskin> | (I could probably write a blog post describing how to write xmobar plugins in bash, but… time) |
| 17:04:00 | <mc47> | God :D |
| 17:04:08 | <mc47> | that's brilliant |
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| 17:06:19 | <mc47> | I'm not a bash wizard but I can kinda see what you're doing |
| 17:13:41 | geekosaur | would probably do it in perl, but. |
| 17:14:05 | <geekosaur> | (or in haskell, it's fairly simple after all) |
| 17:18:21 | <jakefromstatefar> | Or nim, it's a nice scripting lang. |
| 17:23:18 | <Solid> | liskin: that is so horrible it's amazing :D |
| 17:24:19 | <Solid> | (btw, according to my logs LSLeary was last seen on 2020-03-13 (this seems oddly pandemic related, I hope it's not)) |
| 17:24:37 | <geekosaur> | I didn't see anything horrible about it (aside from, well, bash) |
| 17:24:50 | <geekosaur> | clear and concice, as bash code goes |
| 17:25:02 | <geekosaur> | *concise |
| 17:25:22 | <Solid> | not horrible as in "horrible code", more like horrible as in "writing an xmobar plugin in bash" :) |
| 17:27:44 | <jakefromstatefar> | For those not in #waymonad:matrix.org, but still interested: |
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| 17:30:04 | <geekosaur> | hm, I was under the impression they wanted to start over because wlroots was an ugly broken hack |
| 17:33:52 | <jakefromstatefar> | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 17:37:13 | <liskin> | I don't really know why, but I consider perl to be a bit of a dead end these days, so I don't use it any more; also, I absolutely hate the way function arguments are passed in it |
| 17:38:05 | <liskin> | it'd probably be more "right" to write it in haskell, but I'd have to migrate my xmobar config from xmobarrc to compiled, and then… it'd almost certainly be longer |
| 17:38:28 | <liskin> | bash is fairly concise once one learns it properly |
| 17:45:36 | <Solid> | that's fair |
| 17:55:02 | <geekosaur> | I'm an olde phart™ so I still like perl with all its freakishness |
| 17:55:25 | <geekosaur> | then again I invented the perl 4 hack for nested structures, so. |
| 17:56:17 | <liskin> | which perl 4 hack? |
| 17:56:20 | <geekosaur> | glob abuse, mm |
| 17:57:07 | <geekosaur> | storing the glob reference of one structure inside another. had to do an extra glob deref to use it, but it was cleaner than the other ways of doing it |
| 17:57:18 | <geekosaur> | and in some sense inspired perl 5 refs |
| 17:58:11 | <liskin> | hm, I think I'm not old enough to have ever used perl 4, actually |
| 17:58:26 | <geekosaur> | I started out with perl 3 |
| 17:58:47 | <geekosaur> | which I knew about because I was moderating comp.sources.misc whne it was released |
| 17:58:54 | <liskin> | I think I had a perl 4 book when I was like 15 years old or something, but when I started coding in Perl around 2002 or 3, it was probably already perl 5 |
| 18:00:29 | <geekosaur> | first public release of python was the same week but I couldn't get into it; python 1 was rather limited |
| 18:00:56 | <geekosaur> | only remotely interesting part of it to me was STDWIN and it didn't take me long to figure out it was a horrid hack |
| 18:01:05 | <geekosaur> | (long since disowned) |
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| 19:07:49 | <yuu[m]> | Given a workspace with 2+ windows A (master) and B in tabbed layout, and 1 floating window F. Current focus is on B. If the user changes the focus to F, xmonad changes the tabbed focus to A. |
| 19:07:49 | <yuu[m]> | Any idea how to fix/workaround that? |
| 19:08:03 | <yuu[m]> | s/+// |
| 19:10:43 | <geekosaur> | TrackFloating module might help, otherwise no, our float handling is atrocious and hard to fix |
| 19:11:09 | <jakefromstatefar> | Hooks.RefocusLast and Layout.TrackFloating |
| 19:11:32 | <jakefromstatefar> | geekosaur: Speaking of, how would a tree datatype solve this issue? |
| 19:11:42 | <jakefromstatefar> | Just give a separate branch for floating windows? |
| 19:12:16 | <geekosaur> | not sure, it was liskin's idea not mine. in any case tree datatype is for layouts not windows so I'm not sure it affects it |
| 19:12:40 | <geekosaur> | unless there's a distinct floating layout somrewhere instead of just a map of windows to rects |
| 19:14:36 | <liskin> | no, the tree would actually hold both layouts and windows |
| 19:15:13 | <liskin> | so we'd have a root node that wouldn't do nothing special except layout all subnodes with the full rect and then stack the resulting windows on top of one another |
| 19:15:38 | <jakefromstatefar> | How would it hold layouts? Just as an optional attribute at each branch, holding the layout function? |
| 19:15:39 | <liskin> | under this node there'd be a floating layout node, and all windows under this node would be in the floating layer, and it'd have its own focus |
| 19:15:55 | <liskin> | another node under the root would be the "primary" layout, where most windows will go |
| 19:16:13 | <jakefromstatefar> | OK, how would having 2 focus' work? |
| 19:16:14 | <liskin> | again, this node would remember its own focus |
| 19:16:51 | <liskin> | every node would just remember which of its subnodes has focus |
| 19:17:07 | <liskin> | thus there'd be a single window having focus |
| 19:17:08 | <jakefromstatefar> | Could you pseudo-yaml format this idea? I'm having a hard time understanding the fullness of this concept. |
| 19:17:35 | <liskin> | I can try |
| 19:18:18 | <jakefromstatefar> | liskin: The floating layer, and sublayout layers, both hold a focus, right? |
| 19:26:45 | <geekosaur> | yes. and presumably only one of these layers has the focus at any one time |
| 19:27:21 | <geekosaur> | at one point dons tried to implement that with multiple StackSets; it didn't go well. but then the StackSet is arguably a large part of the problem |
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| 19:29:41 | <jakefromstatefar> | Mmh, a thought just came to my head... Could this tree approach allow for shareable multiseat solution? |
| 19:30:21 | <jakefromstatefar> | Basically, just allowing any node to set the `DISPLAY` value. |
| 19:31:01 | <jakefromstatefar> | And, then you could have multiple root nodes, each linked to a different TTY, or physical display. |
| 19:31:07 | <jakefromstatefar> | And, have the ability to interop with eachother. |
| 19:31:10 | <liskin> | https://on.tty-share.com/s/9uow43Ip7P0KXGKfw3zcU1w0RptHCDrbhw_2HoJhXdrfnnHHSOOYDXKnDzldl4lh264/ |
| 19:31:22 | <liskin> | (I may need to refresh it once you connect) |
| 19:31:49 | <geekosaur> | jakefromstatefar, interop would be difficult because each window belongs to a specific display |
| 19:31:56 | <geekosaur> | enforced by X11 |
| 19:33:46 | <jakefromstatefar> | Hm, perhaps we could just leave it as an unimplemented path forward, and think more on it if/when we get rolling with wayland. |
| 19:33:52 | <jakefromstatefar> | Not sure what the policy is there, though. |
| 19:34:40 | <geekosaur> | I plan to collect the discussions here and create a WIP placeholder issue |
| 19:34:59 | <geekosaur> | which we can brainstorm on as and when we get time/motivation |
| 19:35:23 | <liskin> | geekosaur: I'll send you the yaml once I'm finished with it |
| 19:35:25 | <jakefromstatefar> | liskin: What of allowing decoration as a separate function per-node. Meaning tabbed would be a core feature, and not something requiring more effort. |
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| 19:36:31 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: yes tabbing would fit naturally into this |
| 19:36:49 | <liskin> | I just added a sample tabbed panes into my pseudo-yaml |
| 19:37:05 | <jakefromstatefar> | What if instead of using an int focus value, using a stackset/other holepunched list datatype for the windows? |
| 19:37:22 | <liskin> | that's an implementation detail mostly |
| 19:37:57 | <liskin> | for the sizes of structures that xmonad typically deals with, it doesn't really matter which is which |
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| 19:39:10 | <jakefromstatefar> | What of background setting? |
| 19:39:25 | <jakefromstatefar> | Are we going to include a window node for the root window inside the root node? |
| 19:40:09 | <liskin> | geekosaur: https://x0.at/fh6O.txt is what I have now |
| 19:40:13 | <yuu[m]> | <geekosaur> "TrackFloating module might help,..." <- i added trackFloating to my layout hook and it was able to handle it. thank you very much! |
| 19:40:56 | <liskin> | jakefromstatefar: root window is unmanaged in the X world, so no |
| 19:41:39 | <liskin> | we don't need to concern ourselves with setting the background |
| 19:42:00 | <jakefromstatefar> | ah |
| 19:57:41 | <geekosaur> | note also that the int we store is actually the X11 window ID, not some internal thing |
| 19:58:43 | <liskin> | well the int I have in that yaml is an index into the children array |
| 19:59:01 | <liskin> | (as that can either be windows or sublayouts) |
| 19:59:09 | <geekosaur> | oh |
| 19:59:17 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I didn't check the yaml |
| 19:59:29 | geekosaur | kinda hates yaml |
| 20:05:30 | <jakefromstatefar> | It's just a means to an end of expressing this tree structure idea. |
| 20:05:32 | <jakefromstatefar> | In this case. |
| 20:13:37 | <jakefromstatefar> | With this new tree structure, how would floating windows be handled? E.g:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9a36e37e1684f6b8fd8e9df5b3682c0f710d0666) |
| 20:14:33 | <jakefromstatefar> | Programmatically, this should be doable - but what of doing this from the userspace level? |
| 20:14:39 | <liskin> | I haven't really thought about how you'd manage the structure of that tree :-) |
| 20:15:11 | <jakefromstatefar> | I think that floating nodes/layers should be separate from other nodes. |
| 20:15:46 | <jakefromstatefar> | And the `doFloat` function would merely send the window information up to the top branch, into the floating layer attribute. |
| 20:16:05 | <liskin> | they don't really need to be as long as there are predefined actions that correctly move the window across the tree |
| 20:16:34 | <liskin> | floating a window and tiling it again is already a lossy operation today, usually |
| 20:16:49 | <jakefromstatefar> | And, giving floating windows bounding boxes from a sublayout seems challengind. |
| 20:16:57 | <jakefromstatefar> | liskin: Yeah, I wasn't too worried about that. |
| 20:17:02 | <geekosaur> | in my layer brainstorming I had a separate floating layer which behaved as _NET_WINDOW_STATE_ABOVE (but actually between that layer and the normal one) and some notion of pushing windows between layers to the focus in the other layer |
| 20:17:05 | <jakefromstatefar> | challenging* |
| 20:18:55 | <jakefromstatefar> | Ooh, with this approach you could move windows around by paths. E.g `/**/tabbed/`. |
| 20:19:08 | <jakefromstatefar> | I wonder how practical things like that would be. |
| 20:30:56 | <geekosaur> | bleh, github really doesn't like the formatting there |
| 20:33:11 | <geekosaur> | whatever, I set up the WIP issue copying all this discussion into it, we can brainstorm there |
| 20:55:11 | <jakefromstatefar> | See the WIP issue. |
| 20:55:14 | <jakefromstatefar> | I added my ideas. |
| 20:56:11 | <geekosaur> | I get email for everything that happens in the xmonad project :) |
| 20:57:44 | <geekosaur> | wow, github formatted that even worse than it did mine :/ |
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| 22:24:46 | <jakefromstatefar> | Not particularly, I had haskell syntax highlighting on when I made it. |
| 22:24:54 | <jakefromstatefar> | So, I added the same in my comment. |
| 22:25:15 | <jakefromstatefar> | Obviously it's not haskell, but the style is a hybrid of haskell and yaml, I think. |
| 22:38:32 | <geekosaur> | I mean it has extra blank lines everywhere and stuff |
| 22:38:58 | <geekosaur> | not sure what happened but evidently github didnn't like something about it |
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| 23:13:21 | <jakefromstatefar> | Now I've spent 3 hours thinking over this tree structure 😆 |
| 23:13:32 | <jakefromstatefar> | I almost have another revision to my initial ideas |
| 23:19:32 | <jakefromstatefar> | For the work effort on wayland, I've created some more casual / realtime discussion rooms: #xm2wm-hurdles:jupiterbroadcasting.com #xm2wm-resources:jupiterbroadcasting.com (#xm2wm-hurdles & #xm2wm-resources)@libera.chat |
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