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00:32:51 <liskin> Hm, I just realized that I don't need to refactor all of ewmh, I can just use ExtensibleConf to make window activation and workspace sort/rename configurable while keeping the existing interface intact!
00:33:19 <liskin> Good, that sounds like a plan to fix #396 tomorrow.
00:34:21 <liskin> (So the refactor can then be finished post release and won't be rushed.)
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08:36:13 <FOSSHuman[m]> Hey guys, I have another issue. Why does XMobar (very very occasionally) spawn duplicate bars in my setup?? I use dynamicBars to spawn bars if screens are disconnected/connected, it should not be spawning multiple processes of the same bar.. It does happen REALLY rarely though...
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08:37:52 <liskin> Sounds like an issue I had as well, xmobar sometimes wouldn't exit after getting signaled.
08:38:22 <FOSSHuman[m]> yeah
08:39:05 <liskin> I solved it by replacing the signalling with a more robust implementation, but that uses the threaded runtime which we don't have by default in xmonad, so I didn't submit a PR.
08:40:14 <liskin> I wonder why it doesn't exit, though. Could be a bug in GHC RTS?
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16:46:47 <FOSS_HUMAN> Is this bridged with Matrix?
16:46:57 <FOSS_HUMAN> Ah k
16:47:26 <geekosaur> yeh, you were showing up as FOSSHuman[m] before
16:47:38 <FOSSHuman[m]> yeah, on hexchat rn
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17:17:34 <geekosaur> note to self: xmonad --recompile after cabal update or your next session startup may take a long time
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19:13:26 <jakefromstatefar> Why's that?
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19:17:03 <geekosaur> I have a cabal-based buildscript. Something fairly low in the hierarchy got updated and it spent 5+ minutes rebuilding *everyhting*
19:17:29 <jakefromstatefar> Ah
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19:18:39 <geekosaur> I was due for an update&rebuild anyway, but I generally expect myt sessions to start quickly, whoops
19:24:17 <jakefromstatefar> My docks keep appearing atop my other windows... Trayer, and Xmobar are set to lower themselves. I have: `docksEventHook`, `xmonad $ docks`, `trayerAboveXmobarEventHook`, as well as avoid struts, but when I set a window to `RationalRect 0 0 1 1` (fullscreen), the bar is drawn atop it. I've been running fullscreen applications for a while with no issue, I'm confused as to why this problem cropped up now.
19:25:23 <jakefromstatefar> I'm going to restart my session, and hope that fixes things for now. But, this' a really annoying and seemingly unfixable state-issue.
19:25:53 <geekosaur> normally once an unmanaged window lowers itself, it stays there
19:27:08 <jakefromstatefar> Yeah, a session restart fixed things. This' why we need a way to re-manage windows, or, really, just keep them stored separately from the rest of the Stack.
19:27:20 <jakefromstatefar> So that problems like this can be prevented.
19:28:08 <jakefromstatefar> I accounted for this problem (Which I faced a long time ago, but it dissapeared until now) in my proposed tree structure.
19:28:31 <geekosaur> mm, I thought we had a hook ti force lowering of trays, but I don't see it
19:28:33 <liskin> jakefromstatefar: can you show us your xmobarrc?
19:29:18 <liskin> It's almost certainly overrideRedirect=False or something
19:29:20 <geekosaur> unrelatedly: liskin, should Util.NoTaskbar and maybe Util.Ungrab move into Util.Hacks?
19:29:57 <geekosaur> they're both tiny and basically exist standalone only because we didn't have a good place to put little things like those
19:30:35 <geekosaur> backcompat should be no problem, just have the old modules reexport the names from U.Hacks
19:32:08 <liskin> hm, not sure; I'm starting to worry about discoverability a bit
19:32:51 <liskin> I mean, once everyone knows to look into Hacks it's fine, now people are used to looking at X.D.Extending or the module descriptions
19:33:00 <liskin> but maybe I'm totally wrong about hits :-)
19:33:28 <liskin> perhaps moving these to to Hacks is exactly what we need to transition towards Hacks
19:34:59 <geekosaur> I worry about Ungrab a bit because its use with screengrabbers/screenprinters has been getting around a bit. (I suspect I'm the only one who uses NoTaskbar.)
19:36:16 <liskin> well there's one other place unGrab can go to: XMonad.Operations
19:36:47 <liskin> I'd probably merge such PR without thinking twice, tbh :-)
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20:27:26 <abhixec> Hi, does anyone know if I can call withFocused maximize on the goto windowprompt?
20:29:32 <abhixec> if it isn't clear basically if I minimize a window and use goto and select the minimized window I want it to maximize it if it is minimized.
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20:39:56 <geekosaur> if you're talking about X.P.Window it has a mode where you can apply an arbitrary action to a window, which could include going to it and then maximizing it
20:45:59 <abhixec> thanks let me check then how I should go about applying an action
20:48:41 <FOSSHuman[m]> A quick web search revealed this (docs for XMonad-Contrib) https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib-0.16.999/XMonad-Prompt-AppLauncher.html
20:48:41 <FOSSHuman[m]> this documentation should help you do what you want with the prompt.
20:50:03 <FOSSHuman[m]> Or (if you use the older version of XMonad and XMonad-Contrib): https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Prompt-AppLauncher.html
20:51:11 <FOSSHuman[m]> Is there a bot in this Matrix room to fetch documentation on any module of XMonad/XMonad-Contrib depending on the version and post it in chat??
20:52:00 <FOSSHuman[m]> crap posted the wrong links, sry..
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20:52:16 <FOSSHuman[m]> * Oh crap, * crap,, * I posted the
20:53:42 <geekosaur> mm, looks like the arbitrary action one is only in git
20:56:20 <geekosaur> I'm looking at https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/XMonad/Prompt/Window.hs the WithWindow constructor
20:56:22 <FOSSHuman[m]> !help
20:56:56 <geekosaur> I don't think we have any Matrix-side bots, and only lambdabot on the IRC side
20:57:16 <FOSSHuman[m]> ah k, no problem
21:02:43 <FOSSHuman[m]> Does IRC remove deleted Matrix messages aswell?
21:04:01 <geekosaur> nope
21:04:06 <geekosaur> no editing either
21:05:12 <FOSSHuman[m]> oh k
21:12:00 <geekosaur> I suspect a hexchat plugin could be written to handle it but nobody has bothered so far
21:12:34 <geekosaur> and of course it'd only be for hexchat, not any of the other irc clients
21:12:42 liskin still hopes this is fixed on matrix-appserver-irc side
21:13:08 <liskin> s/ is / gets /
21:13:22 <geekosaur> I don't think that woiuld work because it's already reached the client by then
21:13:45 <FOSSHuman[m]> geekosaur: I use Konversation now, since QT5 with Breeze looks better than Hexchat imo
21:14:13 <geekosaur> dunno if that's how matrix works internally but I suspect it breaks down completely at the border with irc-land
21:16:11 <liskin> I was hoping for something like the bridge setting room properties that disable edits in that channel
21:16:34 <liskin> like we have channel modes here, we can disable colors and topic changes and stuff
21:16:39 <geekosaur> people are still likely to do them out of habit
21:16:46 <FOSSHuman[m]> geekosaur: I thought that the bridge would handle these things lol
21:16:51 <liskin> surely Matrix can disable edits, or can be extended to do that
21:17:16 <liskin> IRC is hardly the only protocol Matrix bridges into that doesn't support edits
21:17:58 <geekosaur> well, I was think even IRC users do s/x/y/, they just expect readers to mentally apply the edit
21:18:06 <geekosaur> I think it even originated here
21:18:18 <liskin> (a couple months ago I was seriously considering applying for a job at Element Matrix Services, the idea being that rather than complain about Matrix being total crap, why not just go fix it and get compensated for it; but then I thought better of it)
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22:00:57 <FOSSHuman[m]> I can't seem to get SASL working with Konversation wtf
22:01:08 <FOSSHuman[m]> I am going to try out Weechat or smthin
22:01:50 <FOSSHuman[m]> Or Irssi??
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22:05:26 <geekosaur> *snerk* the docs for sasl in konversation still refer to freenode (see the identities dialog)
22:05:53 <FOSSHuman[m]> lol
22:06:38 <geekosaur> I think hexchat is easier, but konversation looks more flexible
22:07:04 <geekosaur> sadly I have only 8gb ram and chrome is eating most of that, so I'm trying to avoid kde and all its background services
22:07:15 <FOSSHuman[m]> Yeah, Konversation has a nicer GUI aswell
22:07:42 <geekosaur> de gustibvus… I don't actually like Qt-based GUIs very much
22:07:47 <FOSSHuman[m]> geekosaur: Same with me lol, half of my ram is being used right now with only 3 apps open
22:10:17 <FOSSHuman[m]> geekosaur: Hexchat on my setup (Adwaita GTK Theme) looks like shit compared to Konversation IMO
22:10:43 <FOSSHuman[m]> Fonts are way too small aswell
22:11:56 <geekosaur> I'm using pretty much the most minimalist theme I could come up with. it's a reasonable fit for my xmonad setup, and also fits decently with the other stuff I run (I run xmonad as mate's window manager)
22:12:04 <geekosaur> didn't like adwaita much, I admit
22:13:27 <FOSSHuman[m]> I mean, Adwaita looks nice in the GTK 4 apps, just whatever GTK version Hexchat uses makes it look like shit using Adwaita lol
22:14:54 <FOSSHuman[m]> Or maybe it's my GTK font config or something, dunno
22:15:18 <liskin> hm, my system would normally idle around 5G used, but now that I've started using haskell-language-server, it's at 8G
22:15:42 <liskin> that's quite a bit more than ghcid would use
22:17:07 <geekosaur> yeh. and there are people who stick with ghcid for that reason
22:17:18 <FOSSHuman[m]> liskin: With other apps open (web browser etc..)?
22:19:07 <liskin> FOSSHuman[m]: yeah, those 5G was my usual usage, chrome with around 10-20 loaded tabs (I manually unload those I know I won't need), liferea (rss reader based on webkit2gtk) and maybe a couple vim instances with ghci/ghcid here and there
22:21:01 <liskin> geekosaur: luckily for me, 3G is not noticeable, so HLS is still worth it (gives me more screen space due to not having to allocate it for ghcid and the feedback loop is like half a second faster as I don't need to manually jump to line numbers)
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23:12:09 <abhixec> geekosaur: I am little lost with getting maximizeWindow with goto, I did , windowPrompt myXPConfig WithWindow maximizeWindow wsWindows is this the right way?
23:20:56 <geekosaur> windowPrompt myXPConfig (WithWindow "Go and restore" (\w -> windows (W.focusWindow w) >> maximizeWindow w) wsWindows -- I think. do you really want to limit it to windows in the current workspace though?
23:22:15 <geekosaur> also you need: import qualified XMonad.StackSet as W
23:22:59 <abhixec> yes, I want it to be just for a particular workspace
23:23:00 <abhixec> thanks!
23:29:07 <abhixec> Data constructor not in scope:
23:29:07 <abhixec> WithWindow
23:29:11 <abhixec> :: String -> (Window -> X ()) -> XWindowMap -> WindowPrompt
23:29:40 <abhixec> oops wrong window but that is error I am getting after adding that snippet in
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23:36:08 <abhixec> looks like the xmonda-contrib 0.16 doesn't have the constructor with `WithWindow`
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23:48:11 <geekosaur> yes, I said you'd need to use git
23:49:01 <geekosaur> [18 20:53:42] <geekosaur> mm, looks like the arbitrary action one is only in git
23:52:48 <geekosaur> you could probably still do it with 0.16 but you'd have to write your own Prompt to do it

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