Logs on 2021-10-27 (liberachat/#xmonad)
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| 06:05:53 | <Solid> | liskin: I think I'm ultimately leaning more towards the side of the issue/discussions |
| 06:06:07 | <Solid> | simply because it's easier to get an overview of work that's already been submitted |
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| 08:40:39 | <mc47> | I agree with Solid, let's go with something that has the least overhead |
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| 08:51:48 | <ElKowar> | Hey, before I start looking through all existing layouts - is there already a module that let's you somehow center a window on screen if there is only a single window? I have that layout modifier and I guess I should just PR that to contrib if it doesn't exist already |
| 08:52:10 | <ElKowar> | usecase is pretty much having single windows be centered on screen on an ultrawide, making it a bit more comfy to use than if the windows are at the very left of the screen |
| 08:57:55 | <liskin> | Solid, mc47: okay and separate repo or xmonad repo? |
| 08:58:47 | <liskin> | ElKowar: the default Tall layout does that, doesn't it? I mean, a fullscreen window is centered, right? :-) |
| 08:59:10 | <ElKowar> | https://thelounge.elkowar.de/uploads/8a9aca533c473a07/image.png I'm talking about this |
| 08:59:12 | <mc47> | ElKowar I can achieve something similar with FixedAspectRatio and just the Tall layyout |
| 08:59:31 | <ElKowar> | Once there's more than one window it goes to normal operation of whatever layout it's modifying |
| 08:59:46 | <mc47> | liskin I tend for a seperate repo |
| 08:59:47 | <Solid> | there is CenteredMaster (I have never used it, I just know it exists) which does this all the time; I guess it would be nice (if possible) to have something like `centerMasterUpTo n`, where n is the total number of windows |
| 09:00:49 | <Solid> | liskin: it would perhaps look a bit weird to have a separate repo with one issue/discussion |
| 09:01:02 | <Solid> | if we really confine it to that space I think having it in the xmonad repo is fine |
| 09:01:02 | <alternateved> | Isn't CenteredMaster just put master window on top of other windows? |
| 09:01:09 | <liskin> | Hm, I'd expect that combining IfMax with some Gaps should result in what ElKowar is trying to achieve |
| 09:01:32 | <ElKowar> | https://thelounge.elkowar.de/uploads/4e0b36b8099b8a73/image.png I mean, I have this ^^ have been using it for months now - question is is it worth a PR |
| 09:01:52 | <Solid> | alternateved: it floats it in the middle on top of other windows (at least acrording to docs), which is what I'm seeing from the pictures |
| 09:02:01 | <alternateved> | I know that someone is working on the same thing ElKowar |
| 09:02:16 | <ElKowar> | I guess if it floats in the middle and you'd be able to say "only do this up to n windows" that'd be mostly equivalent, yea |
| 09:02:30 | <alternateved> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVVkr_fYb8 |
| 09:02:46 | <alternateved> | Funny thing, someone just made something similar |
| 09:03:08 | <ElKowar> | ohh so that's like a fixed layout thing, right? that's also pretty cool |
| 09:03:40 | <alternateved> | Yeah, he's also thinking on PR in regards to that. |
| 09:04:14 | <alternateved> | Reason for that layout for him was that widescreen with existing layouts is not that great. |
| 09:04:24 | <Solid> | both of these sound pretty neat---I hope at least one will make it to contrib in some way :D |
| 09:04:33 | <ElKowar> | I guess his module seems a bit more powerful than mine - so if the API doesn't make it significantly more complex to implement a basic "center if single window, otherwise no" thing, that'd be preferrable |
| 09:05:05 | <ElKowar> | are they on here? I'd want to avoid PRing mine if there will soon be a PR that makes it obsolete |
| 09:05:21 | <alternateved> | Okay, I let him know. He already knows that some people really like this idea. |
| 09:06:03 | <ElKowar> | ok, nice! I'll wait with my PR then |
| 09:06:04 | <Solid> | (maybe try getting them on IRC/matrix so that more collaboration can ensue in the future :)) |
| 09:06:13 | <ElKowar> | that'd be great ^^ |
| 09:06:31 | <liskin> | ElKowar: your layoutmodifier looks really simple though, I kind of love it |
| 09:07:02 | <ElKowar> | it really is, https://thelounge.elkowar.de/uploads/3973e54223f8ab81/image.png this is the whole code |
| 09:07:09 | <alternateved> | Solid: I might try that. |
| 09:07:13 | <liskin> | so maybe submit it anyway and we can then deprecate it in favor of a more general one if that ever appears? |
| 09:07:51 | <ElKowar> | sure, I guess if ebn is not gonna be PRing that in the near future submitting mine might be worth it |
| 09:08:08 | <liskin> | although now the code looks like it doesn't alter the height, so mc47's fixedaspect should already work |
| 09:08:22 | <alternateved> | If you do this now, send me a link and I'll pass it to ebn |
| 09:08:34 | <liskin> | but the fixedaspect thing is manual whereas this one is automatic, so not really :-/ |
| 09:09:02 | <ElKowar> | I'll just submit it, then this discussion can take place in the PR, where it's a bit more accessible ^^ |
| 09:09:21 | <liskin> | well anyway, today is (very likely) release day, so my brain doesn't really have capacity for this :-) |
| 09:09:27 | <ElKowar> | hypeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 09:09:37 | <alternateved> | Amazing |
| 09:09:48 | <liskin> | Solid: re no separate repo, okay, shall I leave enabling discussions to you or do you want help with that? |
| 09:13:13 | <alternateved> | Do you have a new logo already? |
| 09:13:41 | <liskin> | no, we're going to announce a logo contest in the release announcement |
| 09:13:43 | <Solid> | liskin: It seems to be a few clicks, so I think I'll manage :) |
| 09:13:55 | <alternateved> | Ah, I see. |
| 09:14:08 | <liskin> | Solid: :-) |
| 09:14:35 | <liskin> | Solid: (you'd probably need me for the new repo because of org permissions, that's where my question was coming from probably) |
| 09:14:44 | <Solid> | ah I see |
| 09:15:47 | <Solid> | liskin: I suppose I can drop the commits that add --drafts to the Makefile? |
| 09:17:21 | <liskin> | Solid: I'd leave it there |
| 09:17:41 | <liskin> | this has no effect on the gh-pages deploy and it'll always be useful for local drafting |
| 09:17:47 | <Solid> | ok sure |
| 09:44:27 | <ElKowar> | Ohh the doc stuff has changed, do I now no longer add my module to XMonad.Docs.Extending? is there some other place to add it, or has that just been removed (or am i overlooking something in there) |
| 09:45:25 | <mc47> | Just CHANGES.md |
| 09:45:56 | <ElKowar> | then done! https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/634 |
| 09:49:29 | <Solid> | Yeah since all modules have descriptions now we get a nicely browsabl list for free ( https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/ ) and don't need X.D.Extending |
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| 09:52:01 | <alternateved> | Thanks for the link ElKowar! |
| 09:56:43 | <Solid> | mc47, liskin: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/discussions/343 |
| 09:56:55 | <Solid> | (feel free to tweak the message in any way you see fit) |
| 09:57:15 | <mc47> | That's awesome! Thank you |
| 10:03:00 | liskin | didn't realize until now how ugly en-dash is in DejaVu Sans: https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2021-10-27_11-02.png |
| 10:03:40 | <Solid> | yeah it's really horrible |
| 10:04:09 | <Solid> | but I just can't bring myself to using a normal dash |
| 10:04:25 | <Solid> | (and -- is a bit too plain texty for markdown, imo :)) |
| 10:06:46 | <liskin> | it's the kerning being worse than usual especially with 7 and 2 :-) |
| 10:07:08 | <liskin> | and the iso date with dashes makes this extra painful |
| 10:08:14 | <Solid> | do feel free to change this to a saner date format, I just couldn't decide and so I went with ISO as the goto standard |
| 10:09:57 | <liskin> | if I knew what to do with it I would have ;-) |
| 10:10:13 | <liskin> | iso is the best format, en dash is the correct dash |
| 10:10:47 | <liskin> | I'll let my brain work on it in the background I guess :-D |
| 10:12:28 | <Solid> | :) |
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| 10:44:10 | <L29Ah> | terminus-font |
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| 10:54:07 | <Solid> | what? :D |
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| 12:42:49 | <Solid> | https://zfoh.ch/zurihac2022/ |
| 12:43:25 | <Solid> | this might be something we could try and raise enough money to cover travel costs to |
| 12:45:00 | <liskin> | For those of us in Europe we probably already have enough :-) |
| 12:45:41 | <L29Ah> | is covid planned to get under control in the next ten months? |
| 12:48:10 | <liskin> | It was somewhat under control the past two Junes already. It's not a completely unreasonable bet the next June will be fine, imo. |
| 12:55:40 | <Solid> | yeah I'm not sure how many people go to ZuriHac normally, but an event with ~500 people sounds totally doable in June |
| 12:56:08 | <Solid> | (Heck, the Frankfurt Book Fair was held just a few days ago with a drastically reduced capacity... only 25k people this time :)) |
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| 13:04:39 | <beastwick> | hi, i am using dynamicworkspaces, is there a documented way to increase the font size for the workspace prompt? |
| 13:05:40 | <Solid> | you can supply your own font to the prompt, there you also have control over the sie |
| 13:05:44 | <Solid> | s/sie/size/ |
| 13:06:39 | <geekosaur> | look at the XPConfig argument to various things, the font is the first thing in an XPConfig |
| 13:08:47 | <geekosaur> | myPrompt = def {font = whatever} -- then use myPrompt instead of def in the various dynamic workspace calls that take an XPConfig |
| 13:13:03 | <beastwick> | i am using https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.13/docs/XMonad-Actions-DynamicWorkspaces.html as reference, this doesn't mention XPConfig, do I need to supply this to each keybinding? |
| 13:13:21 | <geekosaur> | you're really on 0.13? |
| 13:13:43 | <beastwick> | not sure, i just googled for xmonad documentation, let me check |
| 13:13:48 | <Solid> | (probably not) |
| 13:13:56 | <Solid> | beastwick: which function do you use, exactly? |
| 13:13:59 | <geekosaur> | but I see XPConfig named as a parameter to a number of things (see for example addWorkspacePrompt) |
| 13:14:00 | <beastwick> | I am on 0.15 |
| 13:14:27 | <geekosaur> | anything which uses a prompt should take an XPConfig |
| 13:14:31 | <beastwick> | ah, yes I see the param |
| 13:14:31 | <Solid> | yes |
| 13:14:40 | <beastwick> | ok, i'll give it a shot, tyvm :) |
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| 13:45:50 | <beastwick> | geekosaur ty worked |
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| 15:33:57 | <ebn> | Hello o/ |
| 15:34:37 | <Solid> | hi! |
| 15:35:02 | <alternateved> | Hello ebn |
| 15:36:18 | <alternateved> | I see I've lured you here successfully : D |
| 15:39:25 | <ebn> | Yes :D |
| 15:45:32 | <liskin> | Solid, mc47[m]: are we okay postponing #342 post-release? I'd be up for some bikeshedding there but don't think now's the right time :-D |
| 15:46:07 | <themc47> | I was going to suggest that |
| 15:46:16 | <themc47> | oh |
| 15:46:20 | <themc47> | wrong nick |
| 15:46:21 | <Solid> | liskin: are you not expecting 50 new pull requests about 5 minutes after the release hits? :> |
| 15:46:25 | <Solid> | but yes, totally |
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| 15:46:55 | <liskin> | Solid: oh, of course I am, I'll push the xmonad-testing part right away :-) |
| 15:47:08 | <Solid> | hahahaha |
| 15:47:12 | <liskin> | not kidding. |
| 15:47:14 | <liskin> | :-] |
| 15:47:16 | <Solid> | :) |
| 15:48:48 | <Solid> | btw, https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/xserver/xorg-server-21.1.0.tar.xz exists so... guess it's really only a matter of time now |
| 15:53:44 | <liskin> | yeah, let's do this |
| 15:55:13 | <geekosaur> | weeee |
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| 15:58:22 | <liskin> | I'll do the version bumps and xmonad-docs regen |
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| 16:01:40 | <Solid> | the plain text version of the release ann should be up to date |
| 16:01:53 | <mc47> | let's go \o/ |
| 16:02:07 | <Solid> | just need to think what to do with the link to the xorg release |
| 16:02:26 | <liskin> | hm, good thing the release is today, GitHub disabled the xmonad-docs scheduled workflow because nobody touched the repo for 2 months |
| 16:02:38 | <liskin> | I'll need to think of a way to have those things work forever |
| 16:02:41 | <geekosaur> | heh |
| 16:02:42 | <liskin> | (later) |
| 16:03:31 | <liskin> | Solid: there's a chance the link becomes valid before we're done |
| 16:03:40 | <liskin> | or we can be BOLD and just post it anyway |
| 16:03:52 | <Solid> | oh it's just sequential numbering |
| 16:03:54 | <Solid> | gotcha |
| 16:03:57 | liskin | can't hide his excitement anymore |
| 16:05:08 | <liskin> | Solid: are you going to be the one who sends the plaintext announcements? are you a subscriber to haskell-cafe? |
| 16:05:21 | <Solid> | I am yes |
| 16:05:24 | <liskin> | mailman moderates mail from non-subscribers |
| 16:05:29 | <liskin> | bit me a couple times in the past |
| 16:05:37 | <Solid> | actually, let me check the mail with which I'm subbed |
| 16:05:45 | <liskin> | (because I read that stuff via NNTP) |
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| 16:06:05 | <geekosaur> | I could send them, where are they? |
| 16:06:07 | <L29Ah> | liskin: how's NNTP these days? what client are you using? |
| 16:06:36 | <liskin> | L29Ah: neomutt, it's terrible :-) |
| 16:06:51 | <Solid> | ah yeah, I'm subbed to the haskell cafe with my real name |
| 16:07:16 | <liskin> | L29Ah: gmane is only nntp these days, and I have no idea who runs it or what |
| 16:07:26 | <liskin> | L29Ah: but it seems to be maintained, new groups are being added |
| 16:07:48 | <liskin> | so better than having mail delivered to my procmail I guess :-D |
| 16:07:59 | <L29Ah> | gmane is a kludge for email; what about native groups? |
| 16:08:09 | L29Ah | has fetchmail feeding neomutt |
| 16:08:35 | <liskin> | L29Ah: native groups as in usenet? I've never really used any |
| 16:08:46 | <Solid> | geekosaur: sure, it's what's hidden in this comment: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-web/pull/40#issuecomment-952603428 |
| 16:09:08 | <liskin> | L29Ah: nntp.lore.kernel.org works fine, too |
| 16:09:11 | <Solid> | stay tuned for any last minute changes :P |
| 16:09:31 | <geekosaur> | okay |
| 16:11:32 | <geekosaur> | ok, yeh I saw that go past in the email notification |
| 16:11:51 | <geekosaur> | looks better on github, none of this doulespaced business |
| 16:12:44 | <Solid> | well I would hope it does look good as an email as well :D |
| 16:14:53 | <Solid> | (perhaps we should try this first, to make sure there are no encoding issues and similar things) |
| 16:15:50 | <liskin> | yep, any testing mail coming my way will be checked thoroughly ;-) |
| 16:16:55 | <liskin> | https://lwn.net/Articles/874152/ |
| 16:17:07 | <Solid> | \o/ |
| 16:17:49 | <liskin> | but the link doesn't work yet |
| 16:18:02 | <Solid> | yeah the archive does not seem to have picked up on it yet |
| 16:18:03 | <liskin> | how does corbet do this |
| 16:18:15 | <liskin> | I knew it's gonna come and he beat me to it :-D |
| 16:18:26 | <liskin> | and I didn't get the email even though I'm subscribed to xorg-announce |
| 16:18:30 | <Solid> | lol |
| 16:19:18 | <liskin> | so… do we link to lwn? |
| 16:19:28 | <Solid> | [oh |
| 16:19:30 | <Solid> | liskin: https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html |
| 16:19:38 | <Solid> | it was posted to the xorg list |
| 16:20:22 | <liskin> | oh that looks as if Povilas isn't subscribed to xorg-announce and is waiting in the mod queue |
| 16:20:32 | <liskin> | that'd be funny |
| 16:20:40 | <Solid> | hahaha |
| 16:21:33 | <geekosaur> | so gmail spellcheck just spotted a "npick up the pace" in the release announcement |
| 16:21:47 | <geekosaur> | (I just edited it in the mail I'm composing) |
| 16:22:48 | <geekosaur> | the test cometh |
| 16:25:59 | <liskin> | hm, gmail seems to linewrap the links |
| 16:26:14 | <liskin> | which is especially silly for the indented ones like [more composable interface]: |
| 16:27:11 | <geekosaur> | hrm, and I even told it not to / switched to plain text mode |
| 16:27:11 | <Solid> | yeah the footnotes should be one line each and I would link to https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html in [final X.Org Server 21.1 release]: |
| 16:27:21 | <Solid> | other than that it looks fine to me |
| 16:28:33 | <Solid> | oh, I suppose I should move the markdown announcement from _drafts :) |
| 16:28:34 | <mc47> | same |
| 16:29:09 | <liskin> | Solid: once you do ping me, I'll deploy to my fork and linkcheck |
| 16:29:26 | <liskin> | and in the meantime I'll release to hackage |
| 16:33:40 | <Solid> | geekosaur: another small typo: "acessible" in the X.U.Hacks bullet |
| 16:34:14 | <geekosaur> | ok, preparing the actual announcement now, will fix that as well |
| 16:35:06 | <Solid> | liskin: should be done |
| 16:37:28 | <liskin> | uff, I forgot to add the api keys for hackage, so some of you may have gotten an action run failure mail :-) |
| 16:37:30 | <geekosaur> | don't think I can fix the line wrapping, I did widen the compose window so they're not wrapped on my screen but it may still reformat them :( |
| 16:38:47 | <geekosaur> | aaaand she's on the way |
| 16:41:28 | <Solid> | aaaaaaand it's here |
| 16:41:47 | <liskin> | hm, hackage gives me 400, fuck :-/ |
| 16:42:15 | <liskin> | time to do it manually I guess :-/ |
| 16:42:49 | <mc47> | should we update the website too? |
| 16:43:16 | <liskin> | mc47: merging the announcement is all that'll be needed |
| 16:43:31 | <liskin> | but only once it's released to hackage |
| 16:44:43 | <geekosaur> | now I wonder if I should have held off until you got hackage to cooperate |
| 16:44:50 | <liskin> | definitely should have |
| 16:45:08 | <liskin> | we're not anywhere near that stage in the checklist |
| 16:46:12 | <geekosaur> | sorry |
| 16:47:52 | <Solid> | ah the cafe is low-freq anyways, it'll be fine |
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| 16:50:43 | <liskin> | Hm, so it only went to cafe but not xmonad@h.o yet? |
| 16:51:26 | <geekosaur> | didn't send it to xmonad@, should probably do so |
| 16:51:41 | <geekosaur> | although I will this time wait until told it's ok :) |
| 16:51:47 | <liskin> | okay :-) |
| 16:52:12 | liskin | still trying to release to hackage, but it should go through this time hopefully |
| 16:52:31 | <liskin> | oh, actually not |
| 16:52:34 | <liskin> | oh my |
| 16:53:33 | <geekosaur> | uh? |
| 16:53:39 | <liskin> | fighting with cabal |
| 16:53:42 | <liskin> | will take a while, sorry |
| 16:54:03 | <liskin> | we should've done the pre-release :-) |
| 16:54:52 | <geekosaur> | sounds like it |
| 16:55:09 | <geekosaur> | this went more smoothly last time we did a release :( |
| 17:07:03 | <Solid> | wouldn't be a *real* release if everything went smoothly :P |
| 17:07:34 | <liskin> | hm, activity-chart uri changed :-/ |
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| 17:07:44 | <liskin> | I guess it's symlink time at this point |
| 17:07:46 | <Solid> | argh |
| 17:07:47 | <liskin> | (I'll do it) |
| 17:07:56 | <Solid> | <3 |
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| 17:09:47 | <Solid> | mh weird I didn't even move it when rebasing |
| 17:13:46 | <liskin> | xmonad is up on hackage, xmonad-contrib eta 10 minutes |
| 17:14:16 | <alternateved> | <3 |
| 17:14:32 | <mc47> | Let's go \o/ \o/ |
| 17:15:36 | <liskin> | linkcheck complains about missing v0.17.0 tag in xmonad-contrib (expected) and unreachable kiwiirc (unexpected, but fuck it) |
| 17:15:53 | <geekosaur> | with my luck the network here will go out just as we reach that point |
| 17:16:36 | <Solid> | where would we link to kiwiirc in contrib Oo |
| 17:16:52 | <liskin> | Solid: linkcheck against xmonad-web:0.17-release deployed to my fork |
| 17:17:01 | <Solid> | oh |
| 17:17:09 | <geekosaur> | probably the irc community foo |
| 17:17:25 | <Solid> | it's in the tutorial |
| 17:17:29 | <Solid> | we still link to the kiwiirc libera chat |
| 17:17:34 | <liskin> | and community maybe? |
| 17:17:57 | <liskin> | oh, just tutorial |
| 17:18:02 | <Solid> | [webchat]: should be https://web.libera.chat/#xmonad |
| 17:18:04 | <Solid> | community is correct |
| 17:18:16 | <Solid> | so that's a fix for xmonad |
| 17:18:36 | <liskin> | right, feel free to push that any time you feel like it |
| 17:18:51 | <liskin> | xmonad is tagged and released |
| 17:19:00 | <Solid> | sure, I'll get on it |
| 17:21:18 | <liskin> | github actions is quite flaky lately :-/ |
| 17:22:00 | <Solid> | yeah we've had lots of weird infra failures today |
| 17:22:20 | <liskin> | anyway xmonad-contrib candidate is on its way to hackage in 3 minutes |
| 17:22:27 | <liskin> | and then another like 5 for the final |
| 17:23:41 | <Solid> | kiwiirc link is fixed |
| 17:32:28 | <liskin> | xmonad-contrib is up on hackage |
| 17:32:37 | <liskin> | merging announcement to xmonad-web |
| 17:34:08 | <geekosaur> | bleh, I see from my sent mail folder that it wrapped lines again |
| 17:34:11 | <geekosaur> | gmail sux |
| 17:34:19 | <liskin> | that was to be expected |
| 17:34:37 | <liskin> | anyway, it's time to send the mail announcement now :-) |
| 17:34:54 | <Solid> | geekosaur: I can post it to the xmonad ml |
| 17:35:01 | <geekosaur> | ok |
| 17:35:04 | <Solid> | let's hope emacs doesn't wrap lines :) |
| 17:36:52 | liskin | posting to reddit |
| 17:36:58 | <mc47> | :D |
| 17:37:28 | <Solid> | went out, I hope |
| 17:38:04 | <liskin> | announcement to discourse, I suggest that we only post the intro and then link to the rest |
| 17:38:20 | <liskin> | yep, got the mail from xmonad@h.o, looks okay |
| 17:39:00 | <liskin> | (mutt wraps it anyway :-)) |
| 17:39:23 | <Solid> | ah but at least you can see it's one line :> |
| 17:39:47 | <liskin> | you're overestimating my mutt configuration :-)) |
| 17:40:05 | <Solid> | hahahaha |
| 17:40:08 | <Solid> | fair enough |
| 17:40:34 | <liskin> | 19:38:04 <liskin> announcement to discourse, I suggest that we only post the intro and then link to the rest |
| 17:41:07 | <liskin> | oh, sponsors are coming already, good :-) |
| 17:46:12 | <liskin> | https://discourse.haskell.org/t/xmonad-and-xmonad-contrib-0-17-0-are-available/3509 |
| 17:46:44 | <mc47> | liskin, cross-post on r/haskell= |
| 17:46:46 | <mc47> | ? |
| 17:46:57 | <liskin> | mc47: oh yeah, cross-post everywhere! |
| 17:47:05 | <liskin> | r/linux, … |
| 17:47:11 | <liskin> | will you or shall I? |
| 17:47:47 | <mc47> | as you like |
| 17:47:49 | <mc47> | go ahead |
| 17:48:05 | <liskin> | okay :-) |
| 17:49:48 | <liskin> | done |
| 17:50:11 | <mc47> | nice! Good job everyone |
| 17:51:36 | <liskin> | indeed, thanks! |
| 17:51:43 | <liskin> | I want to get drunk now |
| 17:55:18 | <mc47> | well deserved :D |
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| 18:09:14 | <Solid> | very nice :) |
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| 18:48:11 | <M-elo-[m]> | liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by Ivan would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..) |
| 18:48:35 | <geekosaur> | we're trying to avoid repeating that |
| 18:48:40 | <M-elo-[m]> | s/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by Ivan would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..)/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by `X.L.ConditionalLayoutModifier` & `X.L.Magnifier` would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of |
| 18:48:41 | <M-elo-[m]> | v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..)/ |
| 18:48:55 | <M-elo-[m]> | s/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by Ivan would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..)/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's, `X.L.ConditionalLayoutModifier` & `X.L.Magnifier`, would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't |
| 18:48:55 | <M-elo-[m]> | tell me 3 years mate..)/ |
| 18:49:03 | <M-elo-[m]> | And the answer to that was? |
| 18:49:31 | <M-elo-[m]> | I cannot search in element so you have to tolerate me asking |
| 18:50:04 | <Solid> | M-elo-[m]: we're aiming for more frequent releases |
| 18:50:13 | <M-elo-[m]> | Glad to hear that! |
| 18:50:18 | <Solid> | depending on how things shape up it might even be included in 0.17.1 |
| 18:50:23 | <geekosaur> | I figured you were in element because we got a bunch of unreadable edits |
| 18:50:26 | <Solid> | (which is also a thing now) |
| 18:50:38 | <geekosaur> | (please don't do that) |
| 18:50:48 | <M-elo-[m]> | Wonderful! |
| 18:50:56 | <geekosaur> | uh, I mean edits, not 0.17.1 |
| 18:51:03 | <M-elo-[m]> | geekosaur: Hmm |
| 18:51:18 | <M-elo-[m]> | Well, it keeps mentioning a weird error which I will have a look at one day |
| 18:51:49 | <M-elo-[m]> | Another question, have you/will you ever consider creating a hydra build for both repos? |
| 18:51:53 | <geekosaur> | edits straight up do not work on the irc side of things |
| 18:52:00 | <M-elo-[m]> | s/hydra/cachix/, s/build/repo/, s/repos/xmonad and xmonad-contrib/ |
| 18:52:12 | <M-elo-[m]> | geekosaur: Oh shit.. sorry. Was not aware of the troubles |
| 18:52:19 | <M-elo-[m]> | Will try to reduce them as much as possible |
| 18:52:59 | <Solid> | M-elo-[m]: http://ix.io/3D5N to give you a taste :) |
| 18:53:45 | <M-elo-[m]> | Yeah that looks terrible.. will keep it in mind! |
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| 19:19:05 | <liskin> | M-elo-[m]: I said it then and I'll say it again: there is one sure way to accelerate that PR—work on it. Anyone can do that. You. Ivan. Me. Anyone. |
| 19:19:44 | <liskin> | I think it's now in the 0.18 milestone, which is preceded by 0.17.1, which means I personally may have other priorities. Those priorities can of course be influenced somehow, but… I can't help feeling the ball isn't in my court with this one. |
| 19:22:51 | <M-elo-[m]> | <liskin> "-(𝕂eloτ)-: I said it then and I..." <- Well, it's waiting for your input judging from the last comment you wrote in that PR. |
| 19:23:19 | <liskin> | M-elo-[m]: is it? just so we're clear, which PR are we talking about exactly? |
| 19:23:33 | <M-elo-[m]> | liskin: I don't mind it as long as the PR won't take 3 years :) |
| 19:23:38 | <M-elo-[m]> | ConditionalLayout |
| 19:24:08 | <geekosaur> | we really do want to speed things up |
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| 19:24:23 | <liskin> | M-elo-[m]: oh, well, I guess my last comment can be interpreted that way |
| 19:24:29 | <liskin> | M-elo-[m]: it's certainly not what I meant, though |
| 19:24:32 | <geekosaur> | that said, we've said that before and I think it ended up taking another 6 months after that to actually release |
| 19:25:15 | <liskin> | M-elo-[m]: I think Ivan's implementation isn't good, I suggested a better implementation, I posted a prototype, and I expected Ivan to take that prototype and polish it into something that can be merged |
| 19:25:31 | <liskin> | M-elo-[m]: and yes, I did say that should that not happen, I will eventually do it |
| 19:25:41 | <liskin> | we all know what eventually means in this context. |
| 19:25:56 | <M-elo-[m]> | liskin: That part I was not aware of, I guess now I am |
| 19:26:46 | <M-elo-[m]> | liskin: We do appreciate your contribution obviously, I just misunderstood your intentions |
| 19:27:06 | <M-elo-[m]> | <del>obviously</del> that being said |
| 19:27:14 | <liskin> | okay, cool. |
| 19:27:14 | <M-elo-[m]> | for our dear IRC folks :) |
| 19:34:30 | <liskin> | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29017498 gives an interesting background information about the Xorg release happening |
| 19:34:57 | <liskin> | I guess it's in our best interest to signal boost that? :-) |
| 19:35:47 | geekosaur | does a quick chekc for any existing hexchat addons that process matrix edits… looks like nope :( |
| 19:36:21 | <M-elo-[m]> | Why not use matrix? 🤔 |
| 19:36:28 | <M-elo-[m]> | client* |
| 19:37:29 | <geekosaur> | because my browser is already overloaded and I see no point in running ewhat amounts to a second browser with a bad ui |
| 19:37:37 | <liskin> | virgin element chad weechat, is how I'd put it :-) |
| 19:38:18 | <geekosaur> | possibly I'll look into weechat at some point but I was under the impression its matrix support was fairly buggy |
| 19:38:35 | <liskin> | yes it's absolute crap |
| 19:39:25 | <liskin> | but as an IRC client, weechat is better than element in every way I care about |
| 19:40:05 | <liskin> | (I do use a separate weechat instance as a Matrix client, because it's still a bit better than element, but I wouldn't dare to recommend that to anyone) |
| 19:43:39 | <M-elo-[m]> | <liskin> "virgin element chad weechat..." <- was about to recommend weechat just now |
| 19:43:49 | <M-elo-[m]> | It always confuses people with wechat though.. wish they would change their username |
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| 19:44:57 | <M-elo-[m]> | I would simply recommend people fractal for simple matrix usage, no edits + calling/video or other features many deem useful |
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| 22:40:15 | <liskin> | Solid: looks like open collective has a cool new feature—we can request a virtual card valid for a single merchant (once it's used it can't be used anywhere else, ever), which seems useful for the domain fees for example |
| 22:40:49 | <liskin> | I love that they're making these things easier right when we need them |
| 22:54:24 | <^[> | Congrats on 0.17! |
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