Logs on 2021-10-28 (liberachat/#xmonad)
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| 07:41:26 | <mc47[m]> | Thank you! |
| 07:46:03 | <liskin> | Solid: https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2021-October/003115.html |
| 07:46:15 | <liskin> | It was indeed in the mod queue |
| 07:46:22 | <liskin> | :-D |
| 07:52:07 | <Solid> | liskin: :DD that's amazing |
| 07:52:59 | <Solid> | and yeah, we should probably approach Tony and offer to pay for the fees via that method |
| 07:53:37 | <Solid> | s/Tony/Toni/ |
| 07:53:41 | <Solid> | oh we don't even have to wait |
| 07:53:44 | <Solid> | eyenx: ^ :) |
| 07:55:56 | <Solid> | liskin: r.e. HN thread: that looks surprisingly uplifting; I'd definitely be willing to give people money in order to maintain xorg |
| 07:57:08 | <liskin> | Solid: As in yourself or that we should redirect some of xmonad donations towards that? |
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| 07:57:30 | <liskin> | (I have no idea what I think about that right now) |
| 07:59:41 | <Solid> | I was speaking for myself, yes |
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| 08:00:11 | <Solid> | though I don't have the idea of redirecting some of xmonad's donations towards the bigger goal |
| 08:00:16 | <Solid> | s/have/hate/ |
| 08:09:37 | <liskin> | hm, I think I don't hate the idea either, I'm just somewhat concerned that doing so involves quite a lot of transaction fees and that our sponsors might not approve of that waste |
| 08:09:59 | <liskin> | but then anything involving money involves a lot of fees |
| 08:10:23 | <liskin> | github org to org sponsor fees are nothing compared to taxes :-D |
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| 08:16:04 | <Solid> | mh you're probably right with that |
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| 08:40:11 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I have been trying out Wayland on my hardware (Nvidia GPU) for the past couple of days and it seems Nvidia hasn't got their shit together yet with Wayland |
| 08:40:25 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I keep experiencing strange bugs in KDE Wayland etc.. |
| 08:40:28 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Very annoying |
| 08:40:39 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | * in KDE on Wayland etc.. |
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| 08:41:57 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | But I do like how Wayland works and the cool things that can be done with it, it also feels faster than Xorg when using KDE |
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| 09:19:30 | liskin | just sent a mail to DT |
| 09:19:34 | <liskin> | almost forgot about this yesterday |
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| 09:45:30 | <alternateved> | liskin: so you did it after all |
| 09:45:49 | <alternateved> | did you manage to keep a distance? |
| 09:52:21 | <liskin> | alternateved: well I never said I wouldn't send the mail, I just acknowledged there might be controversy if _we_ signal boost _him_ :-) |
| 09:52:36 | <liskin> | it's a bit unfair to say it this way though :-/ |
| 09:59:57 | <Solid> | who's to say he doesn't start a video with "so the xmonad people reached out to me and..." |
| 10:02:09 | <alternateved> | liskin: yeah, I was just curious how you are going to do that |
| 10:02:43 | <alternateved> | I wonder how it will go now with him : D |
| 10:05:39 | <liskin> | Solid: I hope it's not _that_ controversial :-) |
| 10:06:48 | <liskin> | alternateved: I just sent a mail saying we have a release and that we'd appreciate a signal boost |
| 10:06:56 | <alternateved> | Oh, I see. : ) |
| 10:26:50 | <Arcanus[m]> | Nice |
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| 11:38:43 | <Solid> | liskin: we should probably redo the stack configuration now so that it's actually usable for people outside of the CI again |
| 11:41:47 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Wait... Is 0.17 released??? |
| 11:42:10 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I might switch back to my distros packaging version of XMonad if that's the case.. |
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| 11:43:24 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | nvm, I've deleted the 2 messages above this message for those on IRC |
| 11:44:06 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | * this message (saying this for those, * on IRC) |
| 11:48:26 | <Solid> | FOSSHuman[m]: it was released yesterday, yes :) |
| 11:48:36 | <Solid> | https://xmonad.org/news/2021/10/27/xmonad-0-17-0.html |
| 11:50:30 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Solid: Very nice! I wonder when Arch upstream will be on the updated version |
| 11:50:48 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | `community/xmonad 0.15-149 |
| 11:50:48 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Lightweight X11 tiled window manager written in Haskell` |
| 11:51:26 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/xmonad/ |
| 11:51:33 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Still on 0.15 |
| 11:51:34 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | ? |
| 11:51:39 | <geekosaur> | worrisome that they didn't even pick up 0.16 |
| 11:52:05 | <geekosaur> | they've had 2 years |
| 11:53:59 | <liskin> | geekosaur: they did: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/xmonad-contrib/ |
| 11:54:04 | <Solid> | geekosaur: xmonad 0.15 ;) |
| 11:54:48 | <liskin> | Solid: yeah it's somewhere in my todos |
| 11:55:08 | <geekosaur> | I guess the core didn't change enough, yeh |
| 11:55:17 | <Solid> | the core didn't have a 0.16 at all :D |
| 11:55:54 | <Solid> | (we skipped that in order to have version parity again, which I personally find quite pleasing) |
| 11:55:56 | <geekosaur> | oh? guess I missed that |
| 11:56:05 | <liskin> | Solid: although my primary motivation was to reenable testing against released core, didn't really expect people to actually use that stack.yaml :-) |
| 11:56:41 | <Solid> | liskin: I do when I pull PRs locally and want to test them |
| 11:56:54 | <Solid> | it's nice not having to fuss around with making ghcid or hls behave |
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| 12:45:56 | <liskin> | I see. As long as you don't care about the resolver it probably works. |
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| 12:47:31 | <liskin> | But then I wonder what exactly is wrong with the current stack.yaml... (I mean, not saying there's nothing, but I need to know what so that I can fix it properly) |
| 12:55:21 | <Solid> | okay admittedly I do care about the resolver but it doesn't seem to work even disregarding that |
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| 12:56:06 | <Solid> | I get http://ix.io/3Da3 which greatly confuses me because xmonad HEAD is definitely not on that version number |
| 12:57:01 | <geekosaur> | mmm, right, at some point I should update everything |
| 12:57:27 | <geekosaur> | wonder how hard it'll be to move my weird statusbar setup away from DynamicLog |
| 12:59:12 | <liskin> | Solid: it's because stack caches it keyed by the url |
| 12:59:25 | <liskin> | So it uses the first version it's seen |
| 13:00:20 | <liskin> | Good, this isn't anything unexpected, so hardcoding released versions will be fine, which is what I planned |
| 13:02:01 | <liskin> | And I'll try not to touch the resolver then. I might have been tempted to bump it otherwise (for no benefit to me or the CI), so I won't :-) |
| 13:03:16 | <Solid> | liskin: bump away, I'm just upgrading everything to 8.10.7 actually :) |
| 13:05:26 | <geekosaur> | hrm, I'm clearly doing something wrong. just got "Already up to date" from xmonad-contrib |
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| 13:07:06 | <Solid> | pulling from your personal fork rather than xmonad/xmonad-contrib? |
| 13:07:07 | <geekosaur> | oh right, it's pulling from mine |
| 13:07:18 | <liskin> | Solid: okay :-) |
| 13:07:52 | <liskin> | I wonder when, or if, 8.10 comes to Debian |
| 13:08:01 | <liskin> | Anyway, siesta time |
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| 13:09:33 | <geekosaur> | here goes nothing… |
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| 13:17:24 | <geekosaur> | yay, updated |
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| 14:26:24 | <sdk> | Does xmonad have a binary space partitioning layout? |
| 14:28:29 | <geekosaur> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Layout-BinarySpacePartition.html |
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| 14:35:08 | <Solid> | radical thought: what use does X.D.Configuring have at this point? |
| 14:37:53 | <geekosaur> | not much, as long as we have the tutorial to replace it. might deprecate it with a pointer thereto |
| 14:38:17 | <geekosaur> | same might go for X.D.Extending |
| 14:39:22 | <geekosaur> | and at that point, might as well go all the way and promote (some variant of) X.D.Developing to top level |
| 14:39:48 | <Solid> | X.D.Extending could still have its uses as supplemental material to the tutorial (explaining all the namespaces and such) |
| 14:40:07 | <Solid> | X.D.Configuring still talks about the breaking change for xmonad v0.5 x) |
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| 15:52:12 | <Solid> | mh you're probably right, I started rewriting the keybinding parts of X.D.Extending and it just turned into a "how do I write my own additionalKeys", which is perhaps on the edge of belonging in X.D.Developing |
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| 18:04:41 | <liskin> | geekosaur: would you happen to remember if xmonad ever got updated in an existing Stackage LTS version? |
| 18:05:53 | <liskin> | is that something we should ask for on the basis of a) xmonad having somewhat weird versioning; and b) xmonad not really being an end-user app rather than a library with an API worth keeping stable? |
| 18:06:05 | <liskin> | s/not // |
| 18:09:41 | <geekosaur> | I have no real idea since I don't use stack |
| 18:12:02 | <geekosaur> | xmonad is actually in a weird place since it is in fact both end user app and library API which we do try to keep stable |
| 18:14:16 | <geekosaur> | looks like they updated the LTS resolver 4 days ago, so we just missed it |
| 18:14:36 | <Solid> | it usually gets updated once every two weeks or so |
| 18:14:36 | <geekosaur> | xmonad 0.15, xmonad-contrib 0.16 |
| 18:24:38 | <geekosaur> | mm, we're also out of the nightly but that's not surprising because we have at least 9.0 build fix in 0.17 |
| 18:25:00 | <geekosaur> | so the question will be whether they re-add us or we need to be explicitly re-added |
| 18:25:24 | <geekosaur> | (nightly uses ghc 9.0.1) |
| 18:25:33 | <geekosaur> | *at least one |
| 18:47:30 | <liskin> | I'm going to deal with the nightly after dinner |
| 18:47:42 | <liskin> | (in the middle of it already) |
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| 20:12:56 | <sdk> | <geekosaur> "https://hackage.haskell.org/..." <- It hasn't received an update since 2016. Do you know if it still work with the newest version of xmonad? |
| 20:13:56 | <geekosaur> | people actively use it |
| 20:14:10 | <geekosaur> | including with git xmonad |
| 20:14:28 | <sdk> | Good. Thank you 🙂 |
| 20:47:09 | <liskin> | today's balance: $828.16 \o/ |
| 20:48:51 | <liskin> | (the reaction to the release itself has been underwhelming, though) |
| 20:49:13 | <liskin> | perhaps everyone who cared switched to git already :-) |
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