Logs on 2021-11-02 (liberachat/#xmonad)
| 00:00:21 | <geekosaur> | hrm. so what happens if that's true in general of debian? are ubuntu, mint, etc. in trouble? |
| 00:01:33 | geekosaur | does *not* want to go nixos |
| 00:01:43 | <liskin> | Well they're over a year behind pandoc updates anyway |
| 00:02:16 | <liskin> | So yeah, they're probably not a good distro for Haskell deployments any more |
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| 00:03:00 | <liskin> | I'll probably just switch to ghcup or something, as awful as that sounds. |
| 00:03:08 | <geekosaur> | well, tbh I'm not interested in running them for their haskell support since I use ghcup |
| 00:03:22 | <liskin> | In that case you needn't worry |
| 00:03:25 | <geekosaur> | but I do worry if they're also seeing other developers leave for greener pastures |
| 00:03:54 | <liskin> | Python and R packaging is better than ever |
| 00:04:34 | <liskin> | KDE in good hands, GNOME obviously not as good as Fedora but usable |
| 00:04:51 | <liskin> | I wouldn't worry just yet |
| 00:05:35 | <liskin> | Not sure about Rust and Go but certainly both in way better shape than Haskell |
| 00:06:08 | <liskin> | One would almost think the problem isn't at Debian's side ;-) |
| 00:06:17 | <geekosaur> | yeh. and the predominant attitude of the haskell community ("use stack or ghcup") probably doesn't help |
| 00:06:33 | <liskin> | Yep :-) |
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| 00:08:16 | <geekosaur> | still, there's a few packages that it would be nice if they still updated — not just xmonad but pandoc and hledger among others |
| 00:08:39 | <liskin> | Indeed, that's a shame |
| 00:09:19 | <liskin> | Downloading binaries from Github is very meh |
| 00:10:54 | <liskin> | Oh well, complaining isn't going to solve it though is it? :-) |
| 00:11:18 | <liskin> | (I mean, good night.) |
| 00:21:23 | <geekosaur> | mm, another worrisome thing to me is we have no logo submissions yet |
| 00:25:13 | <davean> | geekosaur: theres a logo competition? |
| 00:25:44 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/discussions/343 |
| 00:26:50 | geekosaur | is paranoid enough to wonder if we've done something wrong there, like maybe only maintainers can post to the discussion or something |
| 00:27:16 | <geekosaur> | also it was in the release announcement |
| 00:28:03 | <davean> | I mean I didn't read the release announcement - it said new version that seemed great to me, and I moved on to more usually useful sources of information. Specificly the changelog since its usually less full of fluff :) |
| 00:28:29 | <davean> | Why replace the logo anyway? |
| 00:29:42 | <geekosaur> | nobody else likes it, apparently. I think it's fine |
| 00:29:48 | <davean> | I don't care |
| 00:29:53 | <davean> | a logo is a logo |
| 00:29:57 | <davean> | Its clear, I know what it is |
| 00:30:04 | <davean> | I've no reason to want it replaced. |
| 00:30:21 | <geekosaur> | but the >>= is apparently scary or something |
| 00:30:34 | <davean> | Ok |
| 00:30:41 | <davean> | Scary is fine |
| 00:30:42 | <geekosaur> | personally I want to print the current one out and post it on my apartment door :) |
| 00:31:37 | <davean> | Also I left debian because a mear few years out of date is record breakingly modern! |
| 00:32:47 | <davean> | I remember being stuck using packages that were 2 years out of date *when that version of debian released* and a new version was months out |
| 00:34:30 | <davean> | Anyway actually setting up funding is cool |
| 00:38:20 | <davean> | I guess I should consider funding it |
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| 01:09:31 | <etrigan63[m]> | Hey all. Got my xmonad running almost the way I want it. One thing left. How do I assign workspaces 1-5 to my left monitor and 6-10 to my right monitor? I import XMonad.Layout.IndependentScreens but when I do `withScreens 2 myWorkspaces`, it goes awry. |
| 01:14:42 | <fizzie> | There's more to IndependentScreens setup than just `withScreens`; you'll need to also change at least the workspace-switching and window-moving keybindings, plus any other more custom things you might have. |
| 01:15:12 | <fizzie> | Also, it doesn't split `myWorkspaces` to two screens, it creates copies for each monitor, so that if you start with workspaces 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, you end up with 1_0, 2_0, 3_0, 4_0, 5_0 for monitor 0 and 1_1, 2_1, 3_1, 4_1, 5_1 for monitor 1. |
| 01:18:37 | <fizzie> | If you want to have your "real" workspaces numbered from 1-10 and just keep 1-5 on one monitor and 6-10 on the other, I don't think IndependentScreens provides anything too useful for that. You'd just want to update your keybindings to follow that logic. And maybe avoid any other actions that might switch workspaces and end up messing that up. |
| 01:19:47 | <etrigan63[m]> | So how do I properly assign 1-5 to left monitor and 6-10 to the right monitor. I don't want desktops jumping randomly from one monitor to the other. Drives me bananas. |
| 01:20:15 | <etrigan63[m]> | s/./?/ |
| 01:21:56 | <fizzie> | By having your workspace-swapping keybindings respect that. Not sure what exactly you'd want the logic to be. Should mod-1..5 always just change the workspace on one screen, and mod-6..0 on other? |
| 01:23:59 | <etrigan63[m]> | That would work. |
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| 01:27:47 | <fizzie> | Hmm, I'm not sure if XMonad.StackSet has very helpful convenience functions of changing the workspace visible on the non-current screen. :/ Not that I think there's anything impossible about it, it's just that `view` and `greedyView` are pretty focused on only changing the current screen's one. |
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| 01:28:21 | <fizzie> | Maybe with XMonad.Actions.OnScreen from xmonad-contrib though. |
| 01:28:50 | <etrigan63[m]> | I will look into it. |
| 01:29:37 | <fizzie> | It has an example that relates to workspace-switching in the documentation. |
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| 01:33:02 | <fizzie> | So for you, maybe something like... [((m, k), windows (viewOnScreen 0 i)) | (i, k) <- zip (take 5 myWorkspaces) [xK_1 .. xK_5])] ++ [((m, k), windows (viewOnScreen 1 i)) | (i, k) <- zip (drop 5 myWorkspaces) ([xK_6 .. xK_9] ++ [xK_0]))]. |
| 01:33:13 | <fizzie> | Probably there's a prettier way to write that too, but anyway. |
| 01:35:15 | <fizzie> | (Where `m` is the modMask you like, and myWorkspaces the list of 10 workspace names, and viewOnScreen is from XMonad.Actions.OnScreen.) |
| 01:37:39 | <fizzie> | Or perhaps [((modMask, k), windows $ viewOnScreen s i) | (i, k, s) <- zip3 myWorkspaces ([xK_1 .. xK_9] ++ [xK_0]) [0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1])] to compact it a little. |
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| 07:33:37 | <Solid> | liskin: sounds like it's time to step up and offer to maintain xmonad for the debian folks :P |
| 07:33:58 | <Solid> | geekosaur: I think every logo I've seen so far (that were posted on IRC) had a version of >>= in there, so that's probably not it |
| 07:34:17 | <Solid> | though there's nothing stopping you (rule wise) to submit the current xmonad logo and see if that wins :> |
| 07:34:58 | Solid | will probably post his "Haskell logo with an X" idea to make it look less empty and scary |
| 07:41:08 | <Solid> | oh I seem to have deleted the project file |
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| 09:37:32 | <liskin> | geekosaur: the release itself didn't get much of a reaction so few people read the announcement :-/ |
| 09:37:44 | <liskin> | geekosaur: I can tweet about the logo contest specifically though |
| 09:47:58 | <sibi> | Probably we can reach out to Tyson Tan. I loved his Kate icon. More details here: https://kate-editor.org/post/2020/2020-01-25-new-kate-icon/ |
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| 13:09:25 | geekosaur | wonders if we can package up the logic for workspace-switching keys as a helper function in place of the scary-looking list comprehension |
| 13:35:53 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Hello everyone, I was wondering how I would show an icon for example when XMonad is on a certain layout, I've tried this: `ppLayout = \l -> xmobarColor ...` and ghc returns the error that `String` was expected but `String -> String` was found, I wanted to use an if statement to see which layout I'm on currently and then print an icon to XMobar depending on the layout... How would I do this? |
| 13:36:22 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | s///, s/see/check/ |
| 13:37:48 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Then I also added at the end `if l == "Spacing Tall" then hPutStrLn "example" else "example_a"` as an example to see if it would work, but experienced more errors... |
| 13:37:58 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | * "example" else hPutStrLn "example_a"` as |
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| 13:48:30 | <geekosaur> | can you provide a paste of a more complete failing example? |
| 13:48:34 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 13:48:34 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 13:49:18 | <geekosaur> | and you can't do putStrLn or other IO in there |
| 13:50:39 | <geekosaur> | ppLayout :: String -> String -- not IO String |
| 14:33:25 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | <geekosaur> "can you provide a paste of a..." <- k, I've made a paste with the PutStrLn bits removed: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/Qkp88xVa |
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| 14:35:49 | <geekosaur> | yeh, that looks wrong, you |
| 14:35:50 | <geekosaur> | 'er |
| 14:36:07 | <geekosaur> | you're passing the if expression as a parameter to pad, which doesn't take a parameter |
| 14:37:03 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | oh k, so how would I add an if expression to this for example? |
| 14:37:04 | <geekosaur> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/PDsyJh83 |
| 14:37:26 | <geekosaur> | all I did was insert a composition operator, although that is probably wrong as well |
| 14:37:33 | <geekosaur> | think it needs to be a $ instead of a . |
| 14:38:19 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | geekosaur: Yes! This worked, now XMobar shows example_a when the layout is `Spacing Tall` |
| 14:38:31 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | very nice |
| 14:39:19 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Thank you for the help.. I learn more about XMonad every day lol |
| 14:39:20 | <geekosaur> | so presumably you want to change "example_a" to your icon and "example_b" to l |
| 14:40:30 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | geekosaur: yep |
| 14:54:59 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | btw how do replies appear in IRC |
| 14:55:14 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | In Matrix they appear as normal replies, but idk if on IRC they appear as replies |
| 14:55:20 | <liskin> | 15:33:25 <FOSSHuman[m]> <geekosaur> "can you provide a paste of a..." <- k, I've made a paste … |
| 14:55:41 | <liskin> | which is actually way better than in Matrix as it only takes one line |
| 14:55:58 | <liskin> | (in most Matrix clients, to be precise) |
| 14:56:22 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Ahk, so they are compacted down then, pretty decent I guess.. |
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| 17:41:48 | <Solid> | matrix replies are much better on IRC than on matrix |
| 17:41:51 | <Solid> | what a time to be alive |
| 17:45:13 | <L29Ah> | that's only because y... Read the rest of the message: https://natribu.org/en/ |
| 17:47:55 | <liskin> | it's also quite subjective |
| 17:48:16 | <liskin> | there are, after all, people who prefer to only see 5 messages at once on a 1080p |
| 17:52:06 | <SenranKaguya> | a small price to pay for animated frog emotes |
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| 19:03:06 | <liskin> | :-D |
| 19:03:29 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | btw, some Matrix clients do have an option to change the UI style to look like IRC |
| 19:03:40 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | So it's not THAT bad |
| 19:04:54 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | The one I use, Schildichat for example has that option |
| 19:05:22 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | But IRC is a lot more minimal and less distracting tbh |
| 19:05:54 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Since Schildichat is a fork of Element, Element might have that option too, but idk.. |
| 19:06:09 | <liskin> | yeah Element does have that |
| 19:06:14 | <liskin> | it's still crap |
| 19:06:33 | <liskin> | anyway, here's a direct comparison of weechat as an IRC client and weechat as a Matrix client: |
| 19:06:39 | <evilop> | there are some cli matrix clients too |
| 19:06:39 | <liskin> | https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2021-11-02-190412_956x1031_scrot.png vs https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2021-11-02-190417_956x1031_scrot.png |
| 19:06:47 | <Solid> | I think element still shows the full quote though |
| 19:07:09 | <liskin> | replies look _way_ better on the IRC side |
| 19:09:32 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | weechat does look pretty nice though, never tried it |
| 19:09:45 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I've only tried GUI IRC clients |
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| 19:11:37 | liskin | likes keyboard-controlled software and console apps are usually better at that |
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| 19:55:11 | <jakefromstatefar> | I tried weechat, but the controls and setup just seemed like too much for me |
| 20:09:32 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I managed to set it up but couldn't get SASL working for some reason |
| 20:09:52 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | Even on the GUI ones I couldn't |
| 20:10:32 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | * tried Konversation & Hexchat |
| 20:10:53 | <geekosaur> | SASL worked for me but I had to figure out which field was actually used as the SASL username (hexchat) |
| 20:15:03 | <liskin> | I think setting up weechat took me almost a week |
| 20:15:41 | <liskin> | but that was primarily because I used irssi for 10+ years and wanted everything to work same or better |
| 20:15:50 | <liskin> | and I had to port a couple scripts from irssi to weechat |
| 20:21:01 | <FOSSHuman[m]> | I think the `extensible` nature of Weechat is what drove me to not use it, since I wanted a "Just Works (TM)" experience. But I might spend more time looking at the docs this time around.. |
| 20:21:58 | <liskin> | yeah, that's completely fair :-) |
| 20:32:19 | <Solid> | weechat is surprisingly usable ootb (I'm running it almost vanilla, only added a few well-known scripts) |
| 20:32:57 | <Solid> | (can't wait for the day I switch to erc, though :)) |
| 20:33:54 | <geekosaur> | emacs is kinda bad for irc |
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| 21:27:02 | <Solid> | I mean, there is a capable matrix client that's being developed (ement.el); how hard can IRC be? :) |
| 21:27:50 | <geekosaur> | doubt that will work any better. elisp really needs multiple threads |
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