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06:38:24 <Solid> huh, so wayland forces vsync? that will certainly upset the gamers
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08:55:32 mc47 is thinking about running xmobar as a library inside my xmonad config
08:56:04 <mc47> should I ? :D
09:11:32 <Solid> just for the novelty, I'd say yes :)
09:28:22 <mc47> I think it should be easy
09:28:28 <mc47> just add xmobar and call forkProcess
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09:30:53 <liskin> mc47: have you seen those PRs in xmobar for STM-based communication instead of X props?
09:31:26 <mc47> liskin no, I just checked out the hspace ones and I like where that is going
09:33:25 <mc47> what would be the benefit of that?
09:34:35 <liskin> Dunno really, but if you're going to run xmobar as a library it seems natural to bypass X entirely
09:34:50 <mc47> OH
09:34:52 <mc47> definitely
09:35:03 <liskin> No real benefit though, just more pain with the RTS and signals :-)
09:35:30 <liskin> Part of that is merged and then there's a follow up with fixes and docs
09:35:53 <liskin> Haven't had the capacity to review, much less try
09:36:46 <liskin> (and probably won't have)
09:37:32 <mc47> I'm not really familiar with the low level things, but I'll give it a try
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10:00:17 <mc47> btw, what happened regarding the GDPR discussions? I couldn't follow yesterday
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10:29:49 <desantra> Is there an option to set the max amount of windows allowed to be open at once?
10:48:46 <geekosaur> mc47, as far as anyone can tell it applies only to personal data given in presumed privacy, so not to a public chat service like IRC. but there is now a channel notice here pointing people to #xmonad-unlogged if they don't want to be logged. (I seem to be the only one there at present.)
10:49:19 <geekosaur> desantra, you can't really set that as a hard limit but there's a layout modifier that can change behavior based on number of windows
10:49:54 <geekosaur> a true max windows limit would need to be set in the server, not the window manager
10:50:08 <geekosaur> it would also probably have unforeseen effects
10:50:46 <geekosaur> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Layout-IfMax.html
10:52:04 <ElKowar> Is there some reasonable way to make CycleWS compatible with IndependentScreens?
10:54:27 <Solid> there is X.A.CycleWorkspaceByScreen, which sounds like it would play well with that
10:54:43 <Solid> mc47: ircbrowse now has a note "Note: logging is currently temporary disabled pending amateur GDPR discussions. :)"
10:57:13 <geekosaur> :(
10:58:01 <ElKowar> that just goes by history tho :/ I'll look if I can copy paste enough of CycleWS and make it compatible i guess 🤷
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11:19:52 <SenranKaguya> slightly related, i made my own version of workspacehistory that behaves like vim's CTRL-i CTRL-o jump list
11:20:11 <SenranKaguya> first time i've used extensible state, too
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11:36:17 <mc47> thanks geekosaur
11:36:24 <mc47> Oh, true, thanks Solid
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13:04:26 <kelnoky> my xmonad won't start/recompile with the following errors: https://0bin.net/paste/AOw8b-mE#+EnvoIlmoR-vDTiyWpZM/2XVkYitqNgSFPHJ1Dbp+td
13:04:35 <kelnoky> this is on archlinux
13:06:41 <geekosaur> arch :( are you using system packages, or something like stack or ghcup/cabal?
13:08:28 <kelnoky> system packages
13:08:53 <kelnoky> reinstalling xmonad and xmonad-contrib was fruitless - as it usually is with reinstalling
13:09:33 <geekosaur> you'd probably need to reinstall the packages that prevent those from being loaded instead
13:09:51 <geekosaur> X11 (the haskell bindings, not X11 itself), data-default, etc.
13:10:19 <geekosaur> but this kind of thing is why we don't recommend using system packages on arch, but instead using stack or ghcup
13:10:34 <geekosaur> they break stuff way too often, and make it too difficult to fix
13:10:49 <kelnoky> how do I go about using stack or ghcup?
13:12:21 <geekosaur> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/TUTORIAL.md has instructions
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13:32:33 <kelnoky> I am instaling everything via stack now (that wasn't even an option last time I looked into this, cabal didn't work for some reason years ago)
13:32:54 <kelnoky> should I -Rns xmonad xmonad-contrib or do something more to remove the system packages?
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13:43:38 <kelnoky> I assume this isn't good:
13:43:40 <kelnoky> william% xmonad --recompile
13:43:40 <kelnoky> XMonad will use ghc to recompile, because neither "/home/kelnoky/.xmonad/build" nor "/home/kelnoky/.xmonad/stack.yaml" exists.
13:43:41 <kelnoky> XMonad recompiling (forced).
13:43:41 <kelnoky> xmonad: ghc: runProc: exec: does not exist (No such file or directory)
13:43:59 <kelnoky> after I installed everything via stack, I wanted to check if it compiles now
13:44:30 <kelnoky> I used to use ~/.xmonad, but with stack I installed everything in ~/.config/xmonad
13:45:02 <geekosaur> mm, did we not come up with a way to autodetect stack, liskin? or is this still running 0.15 from arch repos?
13:46:25 <Solid> kelnoky: it still seems to check in ~/.xmonad (afair it still prefers ~/.xmonad if there exists a file called ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs)
13:46:44 <Solid> so perhaps [re]move that file or directory
13:46:45 <kelnoky> I uninstalled the big stuff, like ghc, xmonad, xmonad-contrib, but most haskell stuff is still installed via pacman, should I delete that
13:46:50 <kelnoky> ah, I'll rename it, ok
13:47:50 <kelnoky> ok, that's better
13:47:54 <kelnoky> next error: https://0bin.net/paste/-pDQb8sA#0SW-Owgm2YP0WwwKOfXCSGTMXwkA9N6Hu/vC6jYTtGq
13:48:48 <kelnoky> mind you, my xmonad.hs is cobbled together in long hours of work and help from this channel, I unfortunately can't code anything, let alone haskell, I just like the way xmonad feels and I've been using it for years without problems :D
13:49:36 <Solid> kelnoky: all of these `default....` Vars have been removed; you are supposed to just use `def` now and let GHC figure out the right thing to put into the hole
13:53:54 <kelnoky> https://0bin.net/paste/gJYWEgWg#o4EBeOV0NZr8mTfyqC9yJuhJn3b5TWsLTVlnnkpJHQR
13:53:56 <kelnoky> this is my xmonad.hs
13:54:29 <kelnoky> so I replace "defaultPP" in line 94 with "def"?
13:54:51 <Solid> yes, and also all occurences of "defaultConfig"
13:55:08 <kelnoky> even though the compiler didnt mind those?
13:55:09 <kelnoky> ok though
13:56:01 Solid quickly checks the code
13:56:10 <Solid> nono, that's definitely been removed as well
13:56:19 <Solid> I reckon you'd get the relevant errors after fixing the defaultPP thing
13:56:41 <kelnoky> others now, I I might figure those out from the message
13:59:49 <kelnoky> ok, I changed stuff, the compiler still doesn't like the config, here is the updated config: https://0bin.net/paste/f1aF3FVE#YmbLX86Z90GxljG-IC1NC3jvSlIUzYFOnkkWihxjDIj
14:00:37 <kelnoky> and the errors I can't handle: https://0bin.net/paste/KRnM7EhR#5iE-APTCHCl1Jvf6ZXIbhDbigaXPkqEebwo8D/F5kW1
14:00:56 <kelnoky> the errors are related to where it told me to change stuff to "docks", I only followed instructions :D
14:02:53 <Solid> the instructions are more like "use this function to get that functionality", not "do a replace-searh with these strings" ;)
14:03:39 <Solid> "docks" is a combinator that you put at the top, like "ewmh": "xmonad $ docks $ emwh ..."
14:03:49 <Solid> and "ewmhFullscreen" is the same
14:08:18 <kelnoky> so I could ignore the warning about "fullscreenEventHook" being deprecated and not replace it with "ewmhFullscreen"?
14:08:27 <kelnoky> or is it the wrong place to relpace it?
14:09:03 <Solid> it is just the wrong place
14:09:36 <Solid> write something like "xmonad $ ewmh $ emwhFullscreen $ docks ..." instead of what you have now
14:10:01 <kelnoky> "xmonad $ ewmh def" <- instead of this?
14:12:11 <Solid> yes, "xmonad $ ewmh $ emwhFullscreen $ docks $ def" should do it
14:12:39 <kelnoky> yeah, just did that
14:13:16 <kelnoky> the compiler is still not happy about the docks thing :D https://0bin.net/paste/pCfxCJja#D6TBsfDVBfwReVJ5LJ3UBnTG1je4E9qSY5pbQugftlm
14:15:41 <Solid> def has to come at the end
14:15:46 <kelnoky> ok, I put $ def at the end of that line like you did, now the errors are different
14:15:56 <Solid> since that's the default config you're modifying
14:18:35 <kelnoky> ok, we're back to the complaints about the deprecated terms in the config, but I can't just replace them? https://0bin.net/paste/OxMpHd26#m3CdBw2eiqonv6-+zY7R+jYbZcwi/+sm87U6+lVPXnr
14:19:28 <Solid> You can just delete them now
14:19:31 <kelnoky> ah
14:19:42 <Solid> since you _have_ replaced them, just not in their exact spot
14:21:08 <kelnoky> I see
14:21:13 <kelnoky> it compiles now
14:21:18 <kelnoky> thanks a whole bunch, man
14:21:29 <Solid> \o/
14:21:42 <kelnoky> now get me out of this horrendous openbox environment
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14:22:25 <geekosaur> heh
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14:26:44 <kelnoky> are tabs instead of spaces actually something that breaks functions? Because my dzen bar isn't spawning correctly
14:26:50 <kelnoky> or rather, not at all
14:27:02 <kelnoky> and that's the last complaint the compiler has
14:27:37 <geekosaur> tabs are complicated. the compiler expects them to go to the next multiple of 8, and indentation matters in Haskell
14:27:44 <geekosaur> but editors may disagree as to what they do
14:27:57 <geekosaur> which makes them difficult to be certain about
14:29:39 <geekosaur> that said, if it's just warning about tabs, you're probably okay. a real problem would manifest as a syntax error or type mismatch
14:31:28 <kelnoky> yeah, fixed everything, the issue with the dzen bar was just now outdated path
14:31:35 <kelnoky> to the old .xmonad dir
14:48:38 <kelnoky> so do I keep xmonad and haskell stuff updated via stack then?
14:50:16 <geekosaur> that's generally the idea. but one thing about stack is you don't generally have to do so, since resolvers are fixed
14:51:25 <geekosaur> so if you wanted to update you would update your resolver and then use stack to rebuild everything with the new resolver, then mod-q to rebuild your config against that. things don't silently get updated (possibly incompatibly) out form you, like apparently happened with arch
14:51:38 <geekosaur> \*from you
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15:17:15 <kelnoky> did something change about ToggleStruts? I used to be able to get fullscreen videos above my dzen/conky bar with a keybind sending ToggleStruts, but the effect doesn't work anymore, the video stays below the bars
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15:38:53 <geekosaur> sounds like ToggleStruts is still doing its thing (not reserving space for the bar), but the bar is above instead of below the fullscreen video. there might be an option to get the bar to lower itself
15:39:16 <geekosaur> I think we have a hack to force xmobar to be lowered, but no equivalent for dzen
15:45:26 <liskin> I think a checkDock --> doLower managehook should do the trick for dzen2 -dock as well
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