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Logs on 2021-11-12 (liberachat/#xmonad)

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01:16:08 <diep> Hi, currently when I move a floating window or I resize it the cursor stay a simple arrow or a carret. On dwm for example it changes as expected to the right form (hand or resizing cursor). There is a way to acheive this in xmonad ?
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02:18:03 <elonsroadster[m]> <desantra> "Whenever I use the flake https:/..." <- Yep. That is expected. As liskin mentioned there is a pr to improve this, but this requires you set up your xmonad project with a nix build
02:18:36 <elonsroadster[m]> desantra: as I mentioned before. It will really be much easier if you post your entire config directory including nix/cabal files to github
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02:49:36 <M-elo-[m]> elonsroadster[m]: is your other account still working?
02:51:55 <elonsroadster[m]> gilganix[m]: wdym?
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03:08:20 <L29Ah> liskin: https://github.com/l29ah/xmonad-config/blob/master/patches/xmonad-check-repeat.patch https://github.com/l29ah/xmonad-config/blob/master/lib/XMonad/Hooks/DisableAutoRepeat.hsc
03:08:20 <L29Ah> what do you think, is this acceptable?
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07:30:04 <Solid> I don't think this would necessarily involve modifying the core
07:30:30 <Solid> One's own event hooks run before core's `handle` function, so it may well be done in contrib with extensible state
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11:04:20 <Solid> liskin: the 31.11 would probably seem too radical, but since we have _so many logos_ already, it might not be
11:04:28 <Solid> otherwise I'd really just suggest the rest of the year
11:04:38 <Solid> s/31/30/
11:09:10 <liskin> L29Ah: I have no idea what you're trying to achieve, but I agree with what Solid said
11:09:51 <liskin> Solid: 31.11. is soon indeed, so yea, end of year sounds good
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12:06:37 <vermoot_> Hey there
12:07:15 <vermoot_> I'm looking for a basic thing that I can't find: What's the standard way to make sure an app is always on top?
12:07:51 <vermoot_> Like, something to put in my manageHook I'd say, like `className =? "tint2" -> alwaysOnTop`, something like that
12:09:02 <vermoot_> (I'm not trying to make it work with struts, I don't want to reserve space for it. It's just a tiny bar that I'm using as a systray, and that's invisible but shows on hover, and right now it pops up *under* the opened windows)
12:09:56 <diep> Hi! When I resize a floating window or when I move it, the cursor remains normal, it should be changed to the resizing or hand shape accordingly (as it does in dwm). Is it possible to get that behavior in XMonad ?
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12:10:52 <diep> vermoot_ look at Hacks.trayerAboveXmobarEventHook
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12:11:41 <diep> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Util-Hacks.html
12:11:47 <vermoot_> Thanks!
12:12:07 <geekosaur> diep, it'd be possible, it's just not done at present, we always use the default cursor
12:13:03 <geekosaur> you'd have to copy the relevant code from xmonad's core into your config and modify it to change the cursor appropriately (then maybe submit it back as a core patch :)
12:17:18 <diep> Hum ok! Thank for the info, sadly Im very new to Haskell and Im not feeling confident to launch myself in such hole. And it's not a big deal either. It could be a nice feature for sure, but not really important. Just Ux stuff I mean.
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12:20:31 <Vermoot> Dang I'd forgotten I had a HexChat window running already :'D
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12:28:01 <geekosaur> you could open an issue and someone might look into it at some point
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12:28:23 <geekosaur> might help to mention that dwm already does it, since xmonad is kinda dwm in haskell
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13:09:09 <desantra> It is possible to get Navigation.2D working in the tabbed layout? So I can use M-h and M-l to nagivate tabs
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13:28:42 <L29Ah> 10:30:30]<Solid> One's own event hooks run before core's `handle` function, so it may well be done in contrib with extensible state
13:28:42 <L29Ah> but it is impossible to avoid running core's or push the read event to it afaik
13:29:23 <L29Ah> 14:09:10]<liskin> L29Ah: I have no idea what you're trying to achieve, but I agree with what Solid said
13:29:23 <L29Ah> computer start thrashing due to lack of ram, you ask xmonad to close a window, xmonad closes 10 windows due to xorg's autorepeat feature; this patch fixes this misconduct
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13:36:06 <geekosaur> actually you can prevent the core handler from running by `pure (All False)`
13:36:25 <geekosaur> or use `pure (All True)` to pass it on to the core handler
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13:37:52 <L29Ah> geekosaur: i mean pass the key code
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13:38:11 <L29Ah> it's not like i can or should tell X to do it for me, is it?
13:41:01 <geekosaur> there are ways to do that although they'd be a little weird because you would also have to emulate the switch to active keyboard grab
13:42:06 <geekosaur> this said, I'd argue that a large part of that particular problem is that we use a really inefficient structure to track windows and it might make more sense to fix that and thereby reduce the thrashing :)
13:42:14 <geekosaur> (not sure how much that would help though)
13:44:33 <geekosaur> also there's xset to control autorepeat directly
13:44:44 <geekosaur> and can be controlled by keycode, even
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14:04:23 <L29Ah> and can't be controlled per application
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14:06:27 <desantra> Whenever I start my computer and my `i3-color-lock` is launched other applications are launched and their windows are rendered on top of the lock screen. Is it possible to tell my `i3-color-lock` to render on top?
14:07:53 <L29Ah> desantra: do you mean i3lock-color?
14:08:44 <desantra> yes
14:10:47 <desantra> L29Ah: is there a way to set the z-index or smth for an app?
14:10:54 <L29Ah> i recall similar thing when windows get popped up and stay on the screen until xmonad is asked to switch the workspace to the one the window is ordered to be at by the manage hook, but i3lock-color works fine here
14:10:59 <L29Ah> but i don't run it at startup...
14:12:12 <L29Ah> maybe you can isFullscreen -?> doFullFloat?
14:12:14 <L29Ah> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Hooks-ManageHelpers.html
14:12:21 <desantra> It works fine otherwise, just not on startup unless I make it sleep for some seconds
14:12:32 <desantra> L29Ah: I'm already using that
14:13:25 <desantra> oh, nvm I'm using a different arrow, lemme try
14:18:56 <liskin> L29Ah: what geekosaur said about pure (All False), and then also: get yourself some earlyoomd or systemd-oomd, you're working around symptoms of an entirely preventable problem
14:19:28 <desantra> I'm using `isFullscreen --> doFullFloat` with `composeAll`, but that shouldn't matter. It has the same effect
14:19:31 <L29Ah> i already fixed this problem locally by upgrading my hardware
14:20:13 <L29Ah> or not, as i didn't run unpatched xmonad for long for 9-ish years already
14:20:40 <liskin> L29Ah: oh, I was just going to suggest that buying better HW might also be an option, but then I remembered that it's not really a solution - more RAM didn't help my wife one bit, she just kept more tabs open
14:20:44 <L29Ah> anyway, i doubt i need it anymore, but i still think that it's a good to ignore autorepeat in xmonad
14:21:13 <L29Ah> i also bought a nvme that makes thrashing much faster ;)
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14:26:15 <liskin> hm, but yeah, disabling autorepeat for xmonad key bindings might actually be somewhat desirable
14:26:31 <liskin> although probably not always - I like my volume buttons to autorepeat
14:26:56 <liskin> definitely do feel free to submit a proper pull request though
14:27:10 <geekosaur> alt-h/alt-l might also be candidates for autorepeat
14:27:34 <geekosaur> whereas alt-,/alt-. probably wouldn't
14:27:38 <geekosaur> s/alt/mod/g
14:27:56 <liskin> although I wonder if the duplicate keybinding detection can be done in -contrib somehow, as an action that one prepends to a keybinding or something
14:28:02 <liskin> that would be best UX imo
14:28:13 <liskin> so that one can decide which keybindings can autorepeat and which can't
14:28:19 <liskin> (afk, meeting now, sorry)
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14:30:26 <L29Ah> i already submitted the patch 9 years ago to xmonad mailing list, so now i'm too lazy :P
14:30:51 <L29Ah> and i like my volume buttons to be handled by actkbd so it bypass Xorg's screen locking :]
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14:32:25 <L29Ah> you could make a keypress handling hook instead of the current xmonad's hardcoded behavior if you want it configurable
14:35:58 <Solid> I mean, it really _is_ configurable since you can have an event like that in your own eventHook and then just not pass it through
14:36:21 <Solid> the only bad thing being that you need to replicate some logic from core (but you'd have to do that anyways, I think)
14:39:45 <L29Ah> ah so `handle` thing in Main.hs is just the fallback hook
14:40:19 <L29Ah> yeah then my patch could be made in contrib entirely
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16:37:55 <Vermoot> I'm struggling to find examples of people who use window decorations on xmonad
16:38:08 <Vermoot> Typically, the usual title bar, with buttons, etc
16:44:17 <geekosaur> I think most people don't, although there are a few layouts that include them and you can use Decoration to build your own
16:45:36 <Vermoot> I'm sure most people don't but I like to have a good mouse-only workflow as well as a good keyboard centric one. Sometimes I just want to do stuff with my mouse and having window decorations (sometimes, not always) would help with that
16:46:00 <Vermoot> I've tried using NoFrillsDeco, SimpleDecorations, etc, but I've never been able to make them work
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18:08:41 <mc47> what's up people
18:08:55 <mc47> liskin I'll check the link, but it's looking so crazy for me right now
18:16:07 <geekosaur> lots of logo submissions the past few days
18:20:30 <liskin> Logo submissions and sponsors, we're up in $600s now
18:21:19 <liskin> Other than that, I'm trying to avoid keyboards, to let my hands get back to normal
18:27:00 <mc47> the only thing I've been following is the logo contest, I think we have some very nice submissions
18:27:02 <geekosaur> hah, just found a small bug in the SimpleDecoration docs
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18:27:35 <geekosaur> they mention dwmStyle instead of simpleDeco for the more advanced configuration example (3 guesses which module it was copied from)
18:28:33 <geekosaur> does this need to go through the whole PR + CHANGES thing or should I just patch it in place?
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18:31:57 <liskin> Definitely need for changes entry for a docs fix, and PR only if you think you're likely to fuck it up and want another human to check for mistakes
18:32:05 <liskin> *no need for changes
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18:41:15 <geekosaur> hm, yep, SimpleDecoration doesn't work. but it's not falling back to Full either.
18:41:36 <geekosaur> "doesn't work" here meaning no decorations are shown
18:42:06 <geekosaur> so it's not throwing an exception but it's not doing anything
18:43:15 <geekosaur> nor do I see an error message in the session log
18:44:10 <geekosaur> and we know Decoration isn't completely broken because Tabbed works
18:48:47 <geekosaur> derp. wrong workspace for testing :þ
18:49:02 <geekosaur> once I actually got to spare2, simpleDeco works
18:49:19 <geekosaur> no buttons but I don't think simpleDeco is supposed to have any
18:50:57 <geekosaur> Vermoot, when you try to use simpleDeco, does the layout behave like Full? (Make sure you apply it to a layout that doens't behave like Full, of course.)
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19:15:50 <geekosaur> jumping a little ahead, what I suspect is (especially if you're still on 0.15/0.16) the font can't be loaded. so you would try setting the `font` element of `mySDConfig` to a font known to be present, and if you have xmonad-contrib built with USE_XFT then you probably need to specify something like "Monospace 10" instead of the default
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19:29:24 <geekosaur> also, I did the docs patchup
19:29:37 <geekosaur> silly 1-word change
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20:20:14 <geekosaur> @tell Vermoot you almost certainly have a font problem that is causing the layout to throw an exception. try overriding the font setting in the decoration config to a font that you know exists
20:20:15 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:21:13 <geekosaur> @tell Vermoot if you are on 0.16 xmonad-contrib with USE_XFT enabled, you will probably have to use a font spec like "Monospace 10" instead of the default XLFD-style font specification
20:21:13 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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20:45:11 <Josh[m]123> Hi everyone. Been using xmonad for about six months now but I still feel like a noob.
20:45:39 <Josh[m]123> Is it possible to dynamically change the gaps between windows? As in: via a keybinding?
20:46:59 <Josh[m]123> I'm using `XMonad.Layout.Spacing` and have the gaps hard-coded in my config. Would love to be able to increase and decrease them on-the-fly.
20:50:09 <geekosaur> looks like, at least if you are running 0.17.0, there are messages you can send to alter the spacing
20:51:57 <Josh[m]123> Ah sweet. Are there some docs you could link to?
20:51:59 <geekosaur> bind a key to https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Layout-Spacing.html#v:setScreenWindowSpacing
20:52:16 <geekosaur> there's some other functions including increment/decrement
20:53:03 <Josh[m]123> Awesome. Thanks! I'll just have to get hold of 0.17 first then.
20:53:36 <geekosaur> well. I'm not sure they're in older versions, but you could check the docs for xmonad-contrib-0.16 to see if they are there as well
20:54:16 <geekosaur> actually I just loaded those docs and they are, so you shouldn't have to upgrade
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21:04:12 <geekosaur> @tell Vermoot sorry, it's fontName, not font
21:04:12 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
21:05:32 <Josh[m]123> Cool. My Haskell knowledge is pretty limited so I don't immediately understand how I should be using this. Do you have some pointers what I should be looking up? Sending messages?
21:06:03 <geekosaur> the function sends the message for you, so you just bind a key to it
21:06:24 <geekosaur> how you bind the key will depend on your config
21:06:29 <geekosaur> @where paste
21:06:29 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
21:06:47 <Josh[m]123> Something like this? `sendMessage $ setScreenWindowSpacing 42`
21:06:58 <Josh[m]123> Oh, I see
21:07:16 <Josh[m]123> I'll give it a go
21:07:51 <geekosaur> actually setScreenWindowSpacing sends two messages, one for the whole screen and one for windows
21:10:10 <Josh[m]123> OMGITWORKS. I ended up doing something like this: `("M-S-a", incScreenWindowSpacing 5)` (with EZConfig)
21:10:16 <Josh[m]123> This is great
21:10:18 <Josh[m]123> Thanks again
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