Logs on 2021-11-20 (liberachat/#xmonad)
| 00:18:46 | <Arcanus[m]> | what other monads are their altogether? |
| 00:23:44 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | There's waymonad - which is a project similar to xmonad, and is attempting wayland. |
| 00:23:52 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | But it's not quite there... |
| 00:24:36 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Really, the idea atm is to replace the X11 stuff with sudbury, and try to integrate everything with that. |
| 00:24:52 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Ideally, without many breaking changes. |
| 00:25:10 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | (for XMonad on Wayland - WMonad? Or keep the XMonad name? -- not sure) |
| 00:26:23 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Arcanus: since you're on matrix: I've invited you to a space |
| 00:26:27 | <geekosaur> | there was at one point osxmonad, but apple changes kept breaking it |
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| 00:27:08 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Actually, space invitations are weird... You need to click the link: https://matrix.to/#/#haskell-space:matrix.org |
| 00:27:20 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | geekosaur: Yeah, that sounds painful |
| 00:27:53 | <geekosaur> | and xmoniz but compiz changes kept breaking it |
| 00:27:54 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Almost as painful as windowsMonad would be (loseThoseMonads more like) |
| 00:28:54 | Catboy[m] | is now known as Pyerine[m] |
| 00:31:11 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Arcanus: There's a subspace called `haskell projects` in there, with haskell projects. You're likely to find the `-Monads` in there. |
| 00:37:50 | <Arcanus[m]> | ah crap, it looks like Xmonad.hooks.statusbar is what I need in order to set up my polybar correctly, but I cant use it until xmonad updates for arch...it's not in contrib 16 |
| 00:44:10 | <Ocelot> | Hey guys, I'm having a particularly good day, so I just added the language extension recursive do to my xmonad config, and changed "main = do" to "main = mdo"—just to see what would happen. |
| 00:45:24 | <Ocelot> | And at least as far as I can tell so far, nothing has changed, actually. |
| 00:45:34 | <geekosaur> | it probably won't |
| 00:45:56 | <Ocelot> | So what is it actually for? |
| 00:45:59 | <Ocelot> | Lol! |
| 00:47:34 | <geekosaur> | https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/exts/recursive_do.html |
| 00:47:45 | <geekosaur> | it has its uses but there aren't that many |
| 00:53:20 | <Ocelot> | So, is there anything that could be done in xmonad (particularly, which would make some kind of functional difference, as opposed to just sitting there for no real reason), using recursive do, which would be either impossible—or at least more difficult in some way—under the standard do? |
| 00:53:43 | <geekosaur> | not really |
| 00:53:56 | <Ocelot> | Huh. |
| 00:54:05 | <geekosaur> | I've been using haskell for a little longer than mdo has existed and have never found a use for it, in or out of xmonad |
| 00:54:28 | <Ocelot> | Fair enough. |
| 00:54:29 | <geekosaur> | the fact that they could only come up with contrived examples for it is kinda telling |
| 00:54:39 | <Ocelot> | Lol! |
| 00:56:22 | <Ocelot> | That (contrived examples) confused me when I read the documentation for that, actually. What exactly does "contrived" mean in that context? |
| 00:57:16 | <geekosaur> | made up because they couldn't think of a real example |
| 00:57:22 | <Ocelot> | Oh. |
| 00:57:47 | <Ocelot> | Wow. |
| 00:59:52 | <Ocelot> | So it was invented as a proof of concept at some point, and then officially added to the language because there was no particular reason not to add it, I would imagine. Correct? |
| 01:09:30 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | <Arcanus[m]> "ah crap, it looks like Xmonad...." <- I recommend a basic nix install, or building xmonad yourself, after installing ghc via `ghcup`. |
| 01:09:49 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Arch Linux is known to be problematic with haskell. |
| 01:10:07 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | It's just a time-bomb, really. |
| 01:10:55 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | If you want help with the nix install, I could give you a barebones install method. No tweaking on your end required. |
| 01:11:25 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | xmobar, however, will still need to be from the arch repos - when used under nix, off of nixOS - it has a problem with the alsa modules. |
| 01:13:49 | <Vermoot> | Are there any changelogs for minor versions? (0.17.0.9 vs 0.17.0) |
| 01:14:32 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | Commit messages, I think. |
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| 01:16:35 | <geekosaur> | there should be changelogs for git/devel versions in https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/CHANGES.md |
| 01:16:48 | <geekosaur> | version labeled as "unknown" |
| 01:17:10 | <geekosaur> | (at least I think 0.17.0.9 is a devel version…) |
| 01:21:45 | <Vermoot> | Ah, nice |
| 01:21:47 | <Vermoot> | Thanks |
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| 03:39:16 | <Arcanus[m]> | <jakeStateless-Fa> "I recommend a basic nix install,..." <- Ive looked into nix a little bit, its interesting, but that a fullsystem overhaul is not something im interested in doing at the moment. |
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| 04:39:20 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | I understand. You don't have to integrate everything into nix though, and it's a standalone package manager as well as a distro. So, you could easily run only xmonad inside it. If you so chose. If/when you change your mind, lmk, I'll be of assistance. |
| 05:11:14 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | I just discovered `weston` - the reference wayland implementation. It can be ran as a window, under Xorg! |
| 05:11:50 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | That'll make things easier for debugging wayland support (eventually) |
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| 06:03:26 | <Arcanus[m]> | <jakeStateless-Fa> "I understand. You don't have..." <- I didnt know about that, i will have to look more into it, thanks for the info! |
| 06:07:29 | <Arcanus[m]> | How does that even work? |
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| 07:44:21 | <Solid> | Arcanus[m]: if you only want to use it for xmonad, I heavily recommend stack over nix |
| 07:44:26 | <Solid> | it's much easier to set up |
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| 07:57:21 | <Arcanus[m]> | Solid: i did try to install it from stack, but i think i missed a step somewhere and broke xmonad. So had to reinstall from repo. If arch doesnt hurry and update i will have to try it again |
| 07:57:53 | <Arcanus[m]> | Or distrohop |
| 07:57:58 | <Solid> | please do open an issue if you encounter any problems |
| 07:58:11 | <Solid> | this way we can make the docs more robust :) |
| 08:00:40 | <Arcanus[m]> | Got it. In thos case im 90% certain it was a PEBCAK error, but if i run into it again i will report it |
| 08:01:11 | <Arcanus[m]> | Or come crying about it in here |
| 08:05:25 | <Solid> | well, even if it was PEBKAC chances are you won't be the only person running into that specific issue |
| 08:05:36 | <Solid> | so anything we can do to make the docs clearer is a win for everyone |
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| 11:13:35 | <electr0n> | Arcanus[m]: I would stay away from the arch repos when it comes to anything haskell. it was fairly straight forward to make it a stack project and go that route I found myself trying to fix various issues that weren't working with my config.. come to find out it was the arch haskell packages that were causing issues... once I went with stack, my config worked. |
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| 11:22:04 | <Arcanus[m]> | electr0n: thanks, I looking up the docs on installing xmonad thgouh stack as we speak. it might just be my little project over the weekend to see if i can get it working. I know that if all else fails I still have a workable config and if I need to reinstall through the repos I still can. but there appear to be some really sweet updates that I am missing out on that might just allow me to make the last 1% of changes that I am wanting |
| 11:22:26 | <Arcanus[m]> | ^ am looking up |
| 11:31:17 | <Arcanus[m]> | I think I know part of the problem... I was following a write up from 2017....this might have caused some issues perhaps |
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| 11:34:42 | <lyiriyah> | I've been trying to get CycleRecentWS to work with IndependentScreens for a couple days now (specifically the toggleRecentWS function). Does anyone have any idea how I could go about that? |
| 11:35:48 | <lyiriyah> | I think I need a predicate that checks whether the workspace is on the focused screen, but the function which returns the recent workspaces needs a predicate with the type (WindowSpace -> Bool). |
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| 11:44:00 | <Vermoot> | I'm also very interested in making CycleWS work with IndependentScreens |
| 11:51:57 | <Vermoot> | I've been looking at this https://www.reddit.com/r/xmonad/comments/qmjxmh/cyclews_only_on_current_screen_with_independent/ |
| 11:52:40 | <Vermoot> | It compiles but behaves very weirdly (I can only move across spaces on one of my screens, and I get some unwanted swapping of spaces |
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| 15:18:50 | <lyiriyah> | Vermoot: That reddit post almost works for my purposes, but the resulting function has type X (WindowSpace -> Bool) rather than WindowSpace -> Bool |
| 15:19:27 | <lyiriyah> | I need to find some way to "unwrap" the function from the X monad. I think it's the fault of the currentScreen function as that returns X ScreenId, not ScreenId |
| 15:24:09 | <Solid> | you're not going to get something unwrapped without resorting to extremely unsafe operations |
| 15:24:56 | <Solid> | but I fail to see why you would want to anyways; at the end of the day keybindings are just X (), no? |
| 15:28:30 | <lyiriyah> | This isn't for a keybinding. What I need is a function with the type WindowSpace -> Bool that checks if the workspace is on the current screen. |
| 15:28:56 | <lyiriyah> | That function will then be passed to X.A.CycleRecentWS's recentWS function |
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| 15:31:14 | <lyiriyah> | (recentWS orders workspaces in order of recency) |
| 15:34:33 | <lyiriyah> | I've tried using W.screen $ W.current (gets windowset) but that produces an error: No instance for (MonadState XState (W.StackSet i0 l0 a0 ScreenId)) arising from a use of `gets` |
| 15:35:18 | <lyiriyah> | I haven't fully grok'd Haskell error messages yet, this might be something really obvious |
| 15:35:20 | <geekosaur> | the point here is that at some point you will have an X (), since cycleRecentWS is a keybinding. since you have that X (), you can "unwrap" values of type X <something> as long as you ultimately "put them back" |
| 15:35:50 | <geekosaur> | you use <- instead of "let … = …" to "unwrap" values |
| 15:40:26 | <lyiriyah> | Getting the screen inside toggleRecentWS and passing that to isOnScreen worked, thanks. I'll look into <- a bit more and see what it does. |
| 15:42:59 | <geekosaur> | spoiler: it's actually a wrapper for >>= |
| 15:43:57 | <geekosaur> | but using >>= directly for anything other than a quick one-liner is annoying and repetitive, so we have do notation |
| 15:47:40 | <lyiriyah> | Oh I see. Will definitely make more use of that |
| 15:48:17 | <geekosaur> | you can use @undo and @redo to see how do notation translates to uses of >> and >>= and vice versa |
| 15:48:22 | <geekosaur> | in the bot here |
| 15:50:54 | <lyiriyah> | How would I do that? |
| 15:51:17 | <lyiriyah> | @undo x <- f |
| 15:51:17 | <lambdabot> | <unknown>.hs:1:3:Parse error: <- |
| 15:51:21 | <lyiriyah> | Oh I see |
| 15:51:57 | <lyiriyah> | @undo do { x <- f } |
| 15:51:57 | <lambdabot> | <unknown>.hs:1:14:Parse error: Last statement in a do-block must be an expression |
| 15:52:05 | <lyiriyah> | @undo do { x <- f; g x } |
| 15:52:05 | <lambdabot> | f >>= \ x -> g x |
| 15:52:28 | <lyiriyah> | @undo do { x; y <- f; g y } |
| 15:52:28 | <lambdabot> | x >> f >>= \ y -> g y |
| 16:01:02 | <lyiriyah> | @redo x >> f >>= \y -> g y |
| 16:01:02 | <lambdabot> | Maybe you meant: undo todo do |
| 16:01:10 | <lyiriyah> | @do x >> f >>= \y -> g y |
| 16:01:10 | <lambdabot> | do { y <- do { x; f}; g y} |
| 16:01:19 | <lyiriyah> | @do x >> f >>= \ y -> g y |
| 16:01:19 | <lambdabot> | do { y <- do { x; f}; g y} |
| 16:01:47 | <lyiriyah> | Pretty cool bot |
| 16:12:06 | <Vermoot> | > Maybe you meant: undo todo do |
| 16:12:07 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 16:12:08 | <lambdabot> | Unexpected do block in function application: |
| 16:12:08 | <lambdabot> | do |
| 16:12:12 | <Vermoot> | I laughed |
| 16:12:24 | <Vermoot> | (shush, I was citing you, bot) |
| 16:12:58 | <geekosaur> | oh, I got that one wrong :( rarely use it |
| 16:13:15 | <geekosaur> | (actually I rarely use either but I know how the translations work now) |
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| 16:22:34 | <Vermoot> | lyiriyah, Well the reddit post talks about doing exactly what I want to do, and apparently OP did manage to do it, but even with their snippet, I'm only getting partway there :/ |
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| 17:34:00 | <twiclo> | This bash command works in a terminal but it doesn't look like xmonad is firing it: |
| 17:34:02 | <twiclo> | myLogHook = spawnOnce "if [ $(cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/capacity) -le 52 ]; then xmessage \"Battery low\"; fi" |
| 17:36:02 | <geekosaur> | are you sure you want spawnOnce there? |
| 17:37:22 | <geekosaur> | otherwise it looks ok, but spawnOnce means it would run immediately after xmonad startup and never again |
| 17:40:51 | <twiclo> | Ah that must be it. Thanks |
| 17:41:30 | <twiclo> | Well now it spawns a million xmessages when it's below the threshold |
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| 17:42:02 | <geekosaur> | I don't think logHook works well for this because if you e.g. stay focused in one window for an hour (intensive editing session, say) then it won't fire the logHook during that hour |
| 17:42:22 | <geekosaur> | and yes, it'll fire a lot if you switch focus a lot |
| 17:42:39 | <geekosaur> | the problem with spawnOnce is it can't reach inside the thing you spawned to see that it did something |
| 17:42:47 | <geekosaur> | spawnOnce just runs the whole command once |
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| 17:43:26 | <twiclo> | Lol it crashed my session |
| 17:43:33 | <geekosaur> | so you'd have to put your "only once" check inside the command, possibly by using a sentinel file which gets cleared at login |
| 17:43:46 | <geekosaur> | oh, sorry, I sent several lines while you were gone |
| 17:43:59 | <twiclo> | I got the gist with that last message |
| 17:44:23 | <geekosaur> | https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lcxmonad?id=34991#trid34991 |
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| 17:46:46 | <lyiriyah> | Is there any way to enable font ligatures in XMonad.Prompt? I expect not, but I'll ask just in case I'm missing something |
| 17:46:47 | <fizzie> | Given that xmessage creates a window which grabs the focus, which I imagine triggers the logHook, I can imagine how that'd go terribly wrong. |
| 17:47:29 | <fizzie> | (I may be old-fashioned, but I wouldn't spawn a process in a logHook in the first place. Gotta conserve those PIDs.) |
| 17:47:45 | <lyiriyah> | twiclo: I think you want a cronjob rather than putting that in your logHook |
| 17:47:55 | <geekosaur> | yeh, logHook is a terrible place to put stuff like that |
| 17:48:28 | <geekosaur> | we just lost them again |
| 17:50:10 | <geekosaur> | hope they have a way to log in text based and rip that code back out :) |
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| 17:56:15 | <twiclo> | I'm back |
| 17:56:22 | <twiclo> | Trying to add this to my config flie |
| 17:56:29 | <twiclo> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Layout-ShowWName.html |
| 17:57:00 | <twiclo> | This is what my "myLayout" section looks like right now from the starter config I started with: p.twil.cx/lew |
| 17:57:07 | <twiclo> | Not sure how to integrate this into that |
| 17:57:47 | <geekosaur> | lyiriyah, I don't know what it would take to support ligatures there. Suspect it would require redoing the output stuff to use Pango or similar |
| 17:58:34 | <lyiriyah> | Yeah most likely. Maybe when I get some free time I'll do it as a learning exercise or something. |
| 17:59:43 | <geekosaur> | twiclo, showWName $ avoidStruts $ tiled ||| Mirror tiled ||| Full |
| 18:00:06 | <twiclo> | What does the $ mean? |
| 18:00:20 | <geekosaur> | or if you want to use the parenthesized form, (showWName . avoidStruts) (tiled ||| Mirror tiled ||| Full) |
| 18:01:01 | <geekosaur> | $ is kinda reverse parentheses. it's function application at lowest possible precedence instead of highest possible like normal |
| 18:01:30 | <geekosaur> | using $ is considered poor form by some, but it makes it a lot easier to add new layout modifiers to a layout |
| 18:06:19 | <twiclo> | Is there a way to move every window on a worspace to nother? |
| 18:06:23 | <twiclo> | And keep the layout |
| 18:07:52 | <twiclo> | Also this shortcut doesn't fire and I have no idea why: |
| 18:07:54 | <twiclo> | , ((modm .|. shiftMask, xK_r ), spawn "xmonad --recompile; xmonad --restart") |
| 18:07:59 | <twiclo> | Should be mod + shift + r right? |
| 18:08:58 | <geekosaur> | yes. is xmonad in your $PATH at that point? (note that a terminal will *not* tell you this, since it will have run .profile and .bashrc or shell equivalent but xmonad won't have) |
| 18:09:32 | <geekosaur> | usually you want xmonad in /usr/bin, if it's not then you need to arrange for whatever starts xmonad to set $PATH |
| 18:09:45 | <geekosaur> | (unless you use startx, then it should be set) |
| 18:10:27 | <twiclo> | Oh it's in my .local |
| 18:11:44 | <geekosaur> | sadly, if you have a normal session using a display manager to log in, PATH=/bin:/usr/bin |
| 18:12:20 | <twiclo> | I think I'll just symlink it |
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| 18:18:37 | <abhixec> | is anyone else having issues with electron apps on xmonad?(particularly visual code) it seems to kind of be very slow and the menus are blank which I click and takes a while to show up the menu |
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| 18:20:42 | <thonoht[m]> | Hmm, xmonad --restart seems to have stopped working since yesterday, nothing happens, and no output at all. --recompile works fine though, strange. |
| 18:20:48 | <thonoht[m]> | Hmm, I can check vsccode |
| 18:21:35 | <thonoht[m]> | No issues with that here. |
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| 18:28:39 | <abhixec> | thonoht[m]: thanks that is weird for me the electron based apps are slow/the menu contexts show up blank and take a while to show the text |
| 18:29:08 | <abhixec> | i installed gonme just to check and it seems to be fine on gnome |
| 18:30:42 | <thonoht[m]> | Gnome is on Wayland isn't it? |
| 18:31:16 | <u0_a246> | X and Wayland IIRC |
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| 18:32:13 | <thonoht[m]> | Maybe Electron is having issues with X for you? |
| 18:33:10 | <abhixec> | I am using X |
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| 18:36:19 | <geekosaur> | ewmh configured? |
| 18:36:44 | <geekosaur> | also I have just rediscovered why clientMessag eevents are not debugged properly and I am :( |
| 18:38:03 | <abhixec> | https://github.com/abhixec/dotfiles/blob/experimental/xmonad/xmonad.hs |
| 18:40:12 | <geekosaur> | looks right to me |
| 18:43:02 | <abhixec> | Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I have nvidia? |
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| 20:20:16 | <lyiriyah[m]> | <abhixec> "Wonder if it has anything to..." <- I use a 1050Ti with latest drivers and don't have this issue with any Electron applications |
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| 20:51:54 | <noex> | i had that problem at work, but that was due to no hardware acceleration on my VM. with nvidia at home it works fine. |
| 20:53:10 | <geekosaur> | mrrr. try enabling/disabling a compositor? we've seen some programs do weird things without one (respectively with one but no hardware acceleration) |
| 20:54:21 | <geekosaur> | but will abhixec see these? they left and don't seem to be on matrix |
| 20:55:01 | <geekosaur> | @tell abhixec try enabling/disabling a compositor? we've seen some programs do weird things without one (respectively with one but no hardware acceleration) |
| 20:55:02 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
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| 21:04:57 | <jakeStateless-Fa> | <jakeStateless-Fa> "liskin: reminder - https://..." <- liskin: ^ |
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| 21:16:45 | <abhixec> | is there a stacklayout similar to the one in sway/i3?I am going through contrib but either not finding it or don't know whta name I should look for |
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| 22:17:57 | <lyiriyah> | abhixec: AFAIK there's nothing like it available. Maybe look into X.L.BinarySpacePartition? |
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| 22:31:01 | <lyiriyah> | @help |
| 22:31:01 | <lambdabot> | help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands |
| 22:31:05 | <lyiriyah> | @list |
| 22:31:05 | <lambdabot> | What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. |
| 22:31:11 | <lyiriyah> | @listmodules |
| 22:31:11 | <lambdabot> | activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search |
| 22:31:11 | <lambdabot> | seen slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where |
| 22:31:19 | <lyiriyah> | @help tell |
| 22:31:20 | <lambdabot> | tell <nick> <message>. When <nick> shows activity, tell them <message>. |
| 22:32:04 | <lyiriyah> | Is the bot open-source so I can see what it does without filling the channel with spam? |
| 22:33:27 | <geekosaur> | yes. it also accepts /query / /msg |
| 22:33:31 | <geekosaur> | @version |
| 22:33:31 | <lambdabot> | lambdabot 5.3.0.1 |
| 22:33:31 | <lambdabot> | git clone https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot |
| 22:35:13 | <geekosaur> | there's also an incomplete help file at http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~allbery/lambdabot/COMMANDS.more |
| 22:35:58 | <geekosaur> | (incomplete because I removed most of the Haskell-related plugins, since I was using it in a different context. also mentions a new command not present in the standard one, @ipcalc) |
| 22:37:03 | <lyiriyah> | Ah cool. Will play around with its CLI later |
| 22:38:52 | <geekosaur> | building it is a bit painful since some of its dependencies are out of date. I think djinn needs to be patched to build, for example, since it expects (<>) to come from a prettyprinter library instead of Prelude |
| 22:40:10 | <lyiriyah> | I'll keep that in mind |
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| 23:34:17 | <abhixec> | lyiriyah: but BSP is different isn't it |
| 23:43:25 | <abhixec> | What I mean is the stacklayout specified in this video:https://swaywm.org/intro.webm |
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