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04:24:11 <Arcanus[m]> O K...so I am running into some issues after trying to build xmonad from stack...error messages incoming
04:25:03 <Arcanus[m]> first this is what I get when trying to just run xmonad from the terminal... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/920f4e4588d3850eb9a4649b02c71b00e8c79bdb)
04:26:49 <Arcanus[m]> second: when trying xmonad --recompile... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/308cdd8a466cc5e07aa99f08d1de95f690cfa91b)
04:30:43 <Arcanus[m]> sorry for the info dump...
04:30:44 <Arcanus[m]> I did manage to get xmonad to show up in my login manager (sddm) but when i try to log in it just drops me back to the login screen. so that's when I tried to run xmonad and xmonad --recompile in the terminal to see what was going on under the hood. I can only assume I have missed and important step somewhere in the install process, but I am quite certain I followed each step to the letter. except towards the end where it the documentation
04:30:44 <Arcanus[m]> gets a little sparse in re xsession and log in managers. specifically what to put in the .desktop file. I hunted this info down on the old write up I found previously. which got xmonad to at least show up...but it might be possible that I have the wrong input for "Exec" I think I put ~/.local/bin/xmonad
04:31:47 <Arcanus[m]> if this is the wrong place to dump all this I do apologize, do I need to open an issue on github? where would this be best used?
04:34:50 <Arcanus[m]> or is this really just a IBM error?
04:35:31 <Arcanus[m]> I am fairly certain this is the same issue I ran in to last time I tried to do this
05:04:41 <Arcanus[m]> this might be my answer....I will try to run through the steps when I get back to my computer
05:04:41 <Arcanus[m]> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67710115/broken-xmonad-dependencies-after-pacman-update-how-to-compile-it-with-stack
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07:21:26 <Solid> Arcanus[m]: "error loading shared libraries" type things make me think you haven't fully uninstalled the xmonad/xmonad-contrib from your repos
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08:37:35 <Arcanus[m]> Solid: this is what i suspect as well. Im goi.g to try to go throigh and purge everything then reinstall ftom the ground up
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10:20:43 <Vermoot> I have a problem with Firefox and fullscreen
10:20:48 <Vermoot> (Yes, one of those)
10:22:06 <Vermoot> When I go fullscreen (either with F11 or on a youtube video), firefox *does* go fullscreen as it should (well, most of the time, sometimes it just goes windowed-fullscreen, randomly, I don't know why), but my xmobar is still visible above that
10:22:48 <Vermoot> This seems to be only with firefox; I tried with VLC and the bar does disappear behind the fullscreen window
10:37:42 <Arcanus[m]> <Arcanus[m]> "Solid: this is what i suspect as..." <- Aaaaand now it is well and truly borked. I'm going to have to try and hunt down everything and properly purge it then try to reinstall. Everything is all messed up and half installed/uninstalled, pacman cant purge the stack files, and i cant remember where everything went. This is just a mess, i seriously should have tried installing in a VM first
10:44:48 <Arcanus[m]> <Vermoot> "This seems to be only with..." <- That is strange once i get up and running again ill take a look at my configs...were you asking about fullscreen issues a day or two ago? I cant remember
10:45:15 <Vermoot> Hmmmmm I don't necessarily recall that but I might have been :D
10:45:56 <Arcanus[m]> Have a link to your dotfiles?
10:46:07 <Vermoot> Yes, let me just update my repo
10:47:37 <Vermoot> Here ya go https://github.com/Vermoot/dotfiles/blob/linux/xmonad/xmonad.hs
10:47:54 <Vermoot> Beware, it's a bit of a mess, I need to do some cleanup
10:54:13 <Arcanus[m]> It looks about as messy as mine, but there are definitely some differences as pertains to the full screen layout. I will check on my .hs file soon as i get back on my machine. Or if you want i shared it as an attachment in here either testerday or the day before if you feel like scrolling through the comments to hunt for it. It might provide some insight into what is missing
10:57:27 <Vermoot> When you talk about "the full screen layout", are you talking about the actual `Full` layout?
11:05:23 <Arcanus[m]> dunno yet...I'm about to look it up now
11:05:47 <Vermoot> Because I don't think my issue has to do with layouts, rather than hooks
11:11:08 <Arcanus[m]> you might be right...but have you tried avoid struts in myLayout?... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/cf8ab93f699e7e07f1c61d3a15c9b222cfdbc7b0)
11:12:03 <Vermoot> Hmmm
11:12:20 <Arcanus[m]> and are you using xmobar you said?
11:12:24 <Vermoot> Struts *are* avoided to be honest
11:12:36 <Vermoot> I'm using xmobar and eww at the moment, soon only eww
11:12:45 <Arcanus[m]> or another status bar?
11:12:45 <Arcanus[m]> I have both a polybar and xmobar specific config
11:12:47 <Vermoot> They're both dock windows
11:13:34 <Arcanus[m]> https://gitlab.com/Archanus/4rchanus-xmonad.hs/-/blob/main/xmonad.hs.xmobar
11:14:36 <Arcanus[m]> I THINK this is public and therefore viewable, if it isn't let me know and I'll just copy the text into a script box
11:14:47 <Vermoot> It is
11:15:08 <Vermoot> I've added ManageDocks and avoidStruts; it's all the same
11:15:29 <Arcanus[m]> ok, I hope it helps at least a little...I can't recall having any issues with full screen using this config
11:16:04 <Vermoot> To be fair, I don't have a problem with docks/bars being visible/reserving struts; that works perfectly. It's only when I go fullscreen in firefox that the problem arises: those don't "hide", or go under the fullscreen window
11:16:14 <Vermoot> And only in firefox
11:16:55 <thonoht[m]> I have that too, isn't that known behavior with FF? I kinda like it.
11:17:02 <Arcanus[m]> this is very much a blind leading the blind situation tbh...I just nuked my whole xmonad setup and I have no idea how to get back to working condition so I'm going to have fun with that for a few hours
11:17:04 <thonoht[m]> When I want truly fullscreen I toggle the struts off
11:17:30 <Vermoot> Well it may be a known FF thing, but it's definitely not desirable
11:17:57 <Vermoot> I have a bar covering a portion of the video I'm watching, that's not ideal to say the least. When I go fullscreen I want it to be fullscreen :D
11:18:12 <thonoht[m]> Oh, it actually does go fullscreen
11:18:22 <Vermoot> I does, yes
11:18:23 <thonoht[m]> For me it just doesn't go fullscreen, firefox just fullscreens inside of its window box
11:18:49 <Vermoot> Yeah that happens sometimes too, but I don't quite know why. I don't want that either, I have a firefox extension to do that when I want to
11:18:59 <thonoht[m]> > We might also consider using the ewmhFullscreen combinator. By default, a “fullscreened” application is still bound by its window dimensions; this means that if the window occupies half of the screen before it was fullscreened, it will also do so afterwards. Some people really like this behaviour, as applications thinking they’re in fullscreen mode tend to remove a lot of clutter (looking at you, Firefox). However, because a lot of
11:18:59 <thonoht[m]> people explicitly do not want this effect (and some applications, like chromium, will misbehave and need some Hacks to make this work), we will also add the relevant function to get “proper” fullscreen behaviour here.
11:19:01 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:64: error: parse error on input ‘default’
11:19:15 <thonoht[m]> This is from the configuration tutorial
11:19:41 <thonoht[m]> I actually have no idea how you got firefox to even go fullscreen
11:20:26 <Vermoot> I think with `handleEventHook = fullscreenEventHook <+> debugEventsHook`
11:20:47 <Vermoot> Anyway I'm also using ewmh and ewmhFullscreen
11:21:25 <Vermoot> tbf my firefox is minimalistic enough to begin with that I don't need to run it windowed-fullscreen anyway https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/635625925748457482/908720694186106880/2021-11-12_15-10-18.mp4
11:21:31 <thonoht[m]> Wait, fullscreenEventHook is < 0.17, and ewmhFullscreen = >= 0.17
11:21:42 <Vermoot> Well uuuuh
11:22:08 <thonoht[m]> Oh yeah, that's a pretty tweaked FF
11:22:09 <Vermoot> I guess I didn't know that, and used some older reddit posts haha
11:22:41 <thonoht[m]> Not sure what the consequences are, I'm no expert on Xmonad either
11:22:59 <thonoht[m]> But maybe read through the fullscreen section of https://xmonad.org/TUTORIAL.html if you haven't?
11:23:31 <Vermoot> I have
11:24:17 <Vermoot> But I'll take another look
11:24:20 <Vermoot> See what I missed
11:24:41 <thonoht[m]> I'm looking at the hacks module. But it appears to be only to fix Chrome
11:25:03 <thonoht[m]> * fix Chrome/ium
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11:29:18 <geekosaur> it fixes a different issue with chromium
11:31:24 <thonoht[m]> I couldn't really make out what the issue was from the gifs there.
11:32:00 <thonoht[m]> Ah I think I got it
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11:58:30 <geekosaur> basically when it does not-really-fullscreen it thinks it has gone fullscreen, and you have to juggle the window borders to make it redraw properly
12:00:43 <Arcanus[m]> ah...I have xmonad up and running again, and FF does indeed, not go fullscreen, whereas everything else does just fine (element, vlc are the ones I tried just now)
12:03:15 <Vermoot> I just cleaned up my config
12:03:19 <Vermoot> Can I just say
12:03:25 <Vermoot> GODDAMN I love vim and folds
12:04:43 <thonoht[m]> I love vim too, but I haven't used folds yet
12:04:51 <Vermoot> Get into folds
12:05:02 <Vermoot> They'll make your life 1% better
12:05:05 <Vermoot> Which is huge, tbh
12:05:09 <Vermoot> :D
12:05:17 <thonoht[m]> That's basically just folding code so it doesnt take much space right?
12:06:03 <Vermoot> Yeah
12:06:15 <Vermoot> It also makes organizing your code much easier imo
12:06:38 <Vermoot> You can fold by indent, syntax, or manual markers (which is what I do, mostly)
12:06:44 <Vermoot> You can have folds in folds in folds
12:07:01 <Vermoot> So for me it makes hierarchy much easier to visualize
12:07:18 <thonoht[m]> I have been taught from my C# days to hate regions, which is basically this. :P
12:07:20 <Vermoot> And it also makes files easier to navigate
12:08:10 <thonoht[m]> From this, I have taught myself to keep files small and navigate by a logical file structure. But especially with vim/emacs, I see lots of people working in multi-thousand line files again.
12:08:35 <thonoht[m]> It does make me kind of uncomfortable, but maybe at some point I'll get used to that
12:09:46 <Vermoot> Well yeah but even in my 251 lines xmonad config, which is far from being a huge file, it feels much neater to organize things by foldable sections
12:10:51 <Arcanus[m]> Vermoot: could you share an example perchance? I would like to see how much of a difference it makes
12:12:39 <Vermoot> Well
12:12:45 <Vermoot> You've seen my config earlier
12:12:52 <Vermoot> Here it is now https://github.com/Vermoot/dotfiles/blob/linux/xmonad/xmonad.hs
12:12:52 <Arcanus[m]> right
12:13:24 <Vermoot> use `zo` to open folds you're in or on, and `zc` to close them
12:13:45 <thonoht[m]> You have a type on line 98
12:13:46 <Vermoot> (I think those are default keybinds in vim)
12:13:49 <thonoht[m]> I have a typo in that line
12:14:07 <thonoht[m]> s/type/typ<del>e</del>o/
12:14:26 <Arcanus[m]> well it's a hell of a lot more organized and easier to read than my config that's for sure
12:14:26 <thonoht[m]> Let me see what folding does with my F# code
12:14:41 <thonoht[m]> Hmm, nothing. I guess that needs some more setting up
12:15:06 <Vermoot> thonoht[m], ah yeah, but that's not even a useful comment haha. Fixed, though, thanks.
12:15:57 <Vermoot> I also just discovered vim-easy-align, which is amazing. It makes it very easy to align `=` and `,` and such
12:16:10 <Vermoot> Makes cleanup a lot easier as well
12:19:42 <thonoht[m]> Yeah, I just happened to land my eyes on that line first thing, lol
12:24:47 <Arcanus[m]> so was there any consensus on the fullscreen Firefox issue?
12:31:50 <Vermoot> Well uh, not really I think
12:32:43 <Vermoot> Although we've gone on tangents regarding fullscreen vs windowed-fullscreen, which I believe is a very common issue about firefox, xmonad and fullscreen, but it's unrelated to my actual problem :D
12:33:45 <Vermoot> Oh, well... strange. I've got both an eww bar and an xmobar open, and now when I go fullscreen, the eww bar disappears but not xmobar
12:41:15 <Arcanus[m]> I see some search results from 6 years ago describing the same issue, and now that I know about it it is bothering me, even though I never really use fullscreen on my browsers
12:42:06 <thonoht[m]> Maybe because one of the bars was lowered?
12:44:26 <thonoht[m]> There's also this back for keeping trayer on top of xmobar. Maybe something similar is possible for ff?
12:44:27 <Arcanus[m]> this seems more like there are 2 conflicting commands. there's FF fullscreen option, and xmonad's fullscreen option.
12:45:20 <Arcanus[m]> FF takes over when in focus and activates it's own fullscreen function overriding the window manager? or something
12:46:27 <Arcanus[m]> because every other program works just fine, but firefox's hotkey is also f11...what if fullscreen were remapped to a different key other than f11 in xmonad?
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12:48:50 <Arcanus[m]> or more likely, I don't know what I'm talking about and should shutup
12:51:30 <Vermoot> Well the firefox fullscreen issue also happens when I doubleclick a youtube video so it's not a hotkey conflic
12:52:10 <Vermoot> Aaaand right now when I go fullscreen both bars disappear. It's really inconsistent, which is very strange
12:53:03 <Arcanus[m]> that sounds infuriating
12:53:49 <Vermoot> I mean
12:53:59 <Vermoot> It's not a huge problem, I can still watch the video
12:54:08 <Vermoot> But it's pretty weird
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12:55:42 <Solid> (if you can reproduce it with a minimal config feel free to open an issue)
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14:56:27 <vojjvoda[m]> I haven't set rules for certain programs to be on certain ws
14:56:42 <vojjvoda[m]> For example, firefox always spawns on ws 2 on its own
14:56:47 <vojjvoda[m]> How can I change that
14:57:20 <vojjvoda[m]> Also, is there a way to force floating windows to appear in the centre
15:09:34 <Solid> vojjvoda[m]: this is something that firefox does by itself (it's trying to be "smart" by remembering certain things); presumably, that can be turned off
15:10:29 <Solid> for the second thing, something like `isFloating --> doCenterFloat`
15:13:34 <vojjvoda[m]> Thank you very muchSolid
15:14:01 <vojjvoda[m]> I need to learn haskell, I want to contribute to this project
15:17:44 <Solid> there is always the occasional documentation fix/improvement tagged as "good first issue"; start today! :)
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20:56:10 <jakeStateless-Fa> @tell liskin You wished for me to remind you about the tree rewrite work I've started. It's on my gitlab, and in this room history, if you've lost the link.
20:56:10 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:56:40 <jakeStateless-Fa> I just got the black screen bug.
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20:56:49 <jakeStateless-Fa> Rebooted, and it's fine. Not sure why
20:57:50 <jakeStateless-Fa> My fans were working abnormally hard, however, so it may be an infinite recursion problem...
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21:02:45 <Solid> "the" black screen bug?
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21:23:41 <jakeStateless-Fa> Hmm, I can't find it now, but there's a bug (not to be confused with the "bugs" regarding not setting a Xorg background) where the screen just goes all black, and stays that way.
21:26:05 <geekosaur> never seen that here
21:26:19 <geekosaur> compositor? gpu?
21:27:33 <davve> try
21:27:40 <davve> xsetroot -solid "#000000"
21:28:04 <davve> oh nvm
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21:32:22 <jakeStateless-Fa> ;)
21:33:13 <FOSSHuman[m]> jake :: Stateless -> Farm: Does this happen for games, for example: before you launch the game the screen goes black before the game goes into fullscreen? This is an issue I've been having but I don't think it's related to XMonad
21:33:51 <FOSSHuman[m]> * s / before you launch the game / when you launch the game /
21:34:56 <FOSSHuman[m]> nvm
21:35:16 <jakeStateless-Fa> No, I've only seen this twice before, and it's sporadic. This time it happened after waking my laptop from sleep (suspend, not hibernate) - I gave it a solid minute, tried to switch my TTY. Nothing... So I tapped my power button, then I saw my TTY, xorg closed, and my computer powered off.
21:36:31 <geekosaur> that's far more likely to be an x server issue than an xmonad issue
21:36:44 <geekosaur> can't even be a compositor issue
21:37:36 <geekosaur> in fact, more specifically an xorg video driver issue
21:38:30 <jakeStateless-Fa> possibly, I guess I won't ever know - unless it happens again
21:39:17 <geekosaur> if you can't switch back to the text console it is a video driver issue
21:40:00 <geekosaur> that operation takes place entirely inside x11, altough one can undefine the vt switching keys
21:40:19 <jakeStateless-Fa> hmm, I see
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22:25:58 <Arcanus[m]> huh...seems like arch is rolling out updates for xmonad every other day, now on 0.15-155, xmonad-contrib is 0.16-135 think they are trying to catch up to the new release? but they are running through each iteration to make sure it doesn't break everyone's machine?
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22:59:13 <FOSSHuman[m]> Arcanus: I wonder how long it will take them to catch up
23:03:27 <FOSSHuman[m]> hopefully it doesn't take too long though, since I want to switch to Arch upstream eventually
23:03:34 <FOSSHuman[m]> I use stack rn
23:04:03 <FOSSHuman[m]> * to Arch Linux upstream eventually
23:05:36 <FOSSHuman[m]> wow I need to go asleep lol it's 11:05PM where I live (UK)
23:05:56 <FOSSHuman[m]> k goodnight I guess for those in the UK
23:06:23 <Arcanus[m]> <FOSSHuman[m]> "Arcanus: I wonder how long it..." <- I tried stack yesterday...and completely broke my install...I'm missing some crucial part of the process somewhere...I'm loading up a VM as we speak to try a fresh install and see if that works
23:06:36 <Arcanus[m]> well go get some sleep!
23:07:32 <geekosaur> stack is usually pretty good at keeping things separated, but you can convince it to mix os and stack packages, which is usually a mistake
23:07:58 <geekosaur> (same with cabal)
23:18:42 <Arcanus[m]> hopefully a run through a VM will help me figure out where I went wrong...I think it's probably as Solid suggested, I didn't manage to clear out the old install completely

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