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| 10:01:54 | <Solid> | mh, now that we have a cool wordmark we could think about switching to it for our READMEs ( https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad#readme ) instead |
| 10:01:58 | <Solid> | what do people think? |
| 10:02:30 | Solid | has found this logo business to be a great procrastination oportunity :] |
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| 10:07:42 | <compromyse> | How can i get polybar on xmonad? I'm a complete beginner and have no idea |
| 10:22:59 | <yuu[m]> | compromyse: use ewmh module for polybar. |
| 10:25:33 | <liskin> | Solid: maybe, yeah |
| 10:25:47 | <liskin> | the current README experience is suboptimal: https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2022-01-17_10-24.png |
| 10:27:00 | <davve> | http://vpaste.net/Qe19I |
| 10:27:07 | <davve> | thats my xmonad.hs using polybar |
| 10:29:05 | <liskin> | (and I think the org logo would also benefit from having a bit of a border or something, just like the reddit logo has) |
| 10:32:42 | <Solid> | mh, perhaps yeah |
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| 10:42:05 | <liskin> | https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2022-01-17_10-41.png :-/ |
| 10:47:13 | <yuu[m]> | do someone here who uses polybar with ewmh module has a good xmonad config for toggling fullscreen (mine happens to be buggy and often polybar shows in fullscreen) |
| 10:48:17 | <Solid> | liskin: well that's not good :o is this on mobile? |
| 10:48:26 | <Solid> | i assumed it would scale everything correctly ._. |
| 10:48:37 | <liskin> | Solid: that's just a browser in the master pane of Tall :-) |
| 10:48:43 | <liskin> | anyway, I'll fix this one |
| 10:48:56 | <liskin> | but I'd like someone else to take care of the svg stuff I commented on github |
| 10:50:48 | <Solid> | thanks! |
| 10:51:04 | <Solid> | I have no idea about SVGs, so I wouldn't even know where to start with regrads to making things independent of the font |
| 10:51:21 | <liskin> | oh :-/ |
| 10:52:04 | <liskin> | it's probably just an export toggle in inkscape or something, but the files look heavily hand-modified, so I don't really feel comfortable opening them in a gui editor |
| 10:53:15 | <Solid> | I think it should be fine (I created the wrapped SVG by just opening xmonad-logo.svg in inkscape and that worked) |
| 10:53:36 | <liskin> | did it preserve the comments? |
| 10:53:47 | <Solid> | yeah it did |
| 10:53:52 | <liskin> | oh, interesting |
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| 11:12:48 | <liskin> | Solid: reddit moderation log tells me you uploaded a header image but I don't see a header image anywhere, even in new.reddit.com, what am i doing wrong? |
| 11:13:07 | <liskin> | (the reddit icon is still the old logo) |
| 11:18:16 | <Solid> | I see the new logo :o |
| 11:18:57 | <liskin> | stupid reddit :-( |
| 11:19:06 | <Solid> | https://i.imgur.com/TRX3uyY.png is what I see |
| 11:19:10 | <Solid> | maybe I need to confirm that somehow |
| 11:19:12 | <Solid> | let me check |
| 11:20:46 | <liskin> | I see it in https://www.reddit.com/r/xmonad/about/edit/ |
| 11:20:58 | <liskin> | (which is probably old.reddit.… in here) |
| 11:21:07 | <liskin> | but I haven't found a way to actually see it in the UI anywhere :-/ |
| 11:21:23 | <Solid> | mh I see it even in another browser (that is not logged in and blocks all js) |
| 11:21:26 | <liskin> | quite possibly reddit's fault |
| 11:22:59 | <liskin> | and I have no idea how to open a reddit page with a layout even remotely resembling https://i.imgur.com/TRX3uyY.png |
| 11:23:27 | <liskin> | https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2022-01-17_11-23.png |
| 11:23:34 | <liskin> | this is the only UI where I see the icon :-/ |
| 11:41:17 | <liskin> | oh, "allow subreddits to show me custom themes" |
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| 13:06:43 | <HAL[m]> | <liskin> "https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2022-0..." <- looks great! |
| 13:48:36 | <Solid> | mh, after playing with it a bit I actually like the non-wrapped favicon a lot more |
| 13:49:22 | <Solid> | it's a neat effect switch from only seeing a lambda (non-focused) to seeing the full x (focused) |
| 13:51:09 | <Solid> | (plus there's something about that white box that annoys me) |
| 13:51:50 | <liskin> | that probably only works with a specific colour-scheme, right? |
| 13:52:58 | <Solid> | Well, assuming people don't have gastly red tabs it's more of a light mode/dark mode difference (where light mode would be ideal because you see everything all the time, but dark mode isn't actually that bad) |
| 13:53:14 | <Solid> | s/gastly/ghastly/ |
| 13:54:16 | <liskin> | I mean the neat effect of focused/non-focused |
| 13:54:30 | <Solid> | oh yeah, that's basically dark-theme only |
| 13:54:35 | <liskin> | that depends on specific focused/non-focused background |
| 13:55:17 | <liskin> | but then, e.g. github's favicon simply doesn't work in dark mode at all :-D |
| 13:55:23 | <geekosaur> | *someone* will have them. https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 13:55:35 | <Solid> | yeah a lot of sites don't provide background for their favicons at all |
| 13:55:41 | <Solid> | +s |
| 13:56:11 | <liskin> | anyway, feel free to experiment with the favicon or whatever |
| 13:56:25 | <liskin> | the only thing I was maybe going to do with that is add a bit of padding |
| 13:56:39 | <liskin> | (which is what I'm going to do with the wrapped logo and with the org logo) |
| 13:57:14 | <liskin> | although for the wrapped logo (the one used in README) there's still the question of whether to use the full wordmark or just the X |
| 13:57:42 | <Solid> | I actually also noticed that the wrapped SVG _has_ padding but I was a dunce and didn't resize the page :) |
| 13:58:00 | <Solid> | I would vote for the wordmark in the README (the only reason being that I really like the look of itd |
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| 16:12:56 | <mc47> | I see the old one on reddit |
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| 16:43:29 | <liskin> | mc47: I think I understand what's going on with reddit |
| 16:43:46 | <liskin> | mc47: you and me both were looking at the new reddit, and Solid hasn't updated it there |
| 16:44:28 | <liskin> | Solid updated it for the old reddit, but my old reddit was set to dis-"allow subreddits to show me custom themes", so I wasn't seeing anything there |
| 16:44:45 | <liskin> | I'll update the new reddit once I have a png with padding |
| 16:44:52 | <Solid> | ah yeah, I still refuse to use the new reddit stuff (mostly because it doesn't work without js and it seems to be optimised for mobile clients :/) |
| 16:45:25 | <liskin> | yeah, me too, I just additionally refuse to let other people choose how my reddit looks like :-) |
| 16:45:34 | <Solid> | :) |
| 16:45:46 | <liskin> | which unfortunately happens to block the subreddit logos as well |
| 16:45:51 | <liskin> | I wouldn't mind that bit I think |
| 16:57:49 | <liskin> | (I have a PR with the improved SVGs almost ready but need to attend the second session of the opencollective training now) |
| 17:12:00 | <Solid> | do tell if you got anything useful out of that (it sort of scares me how much money we have at our disposal at this point D:) |
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| 18:13:16 | <narendranath344[> | <liskin> "(I have a PR with the improved..." <- What is this open collective training? |
| 18:15:04 | <geekosaur> | opencollective is a FOSS fundraising organization |
| 18:15:07 | <Solid> | narendranath344[: basically it's supposed to tell us how to spend the money we are getting :) |
| 18:15:21 | <narendranath344[> | Ah |
| 18:16:00 | <narendranath344[> | Solid: I have an idea, xmonad for wayland |
| 18:16:08 | <narendranath344[> | What do you think? |
| 18:16:22 | <Solid> | that's something the fundrasing page talks about yeah |
| 18:16:31 | <geekosaur> | difficult but one of the things we want to do |
| 18:16:33 | <Solid> | but it's more of a stretch goal, if we're being honest |
| 18:16:42 | <geekosaur> | wayland makes it very difficult to replace window managers |
| 18:17:00 | <liskin> | narendranath344[: https://opencollective.com/opensource/updates/training-coaching-and-workshops-for-community-leaders |
| 18:17:47 | <liskin> | Solid: today's session was about spending money, I think it might be okay to send you the notes from the session |
| 18:18:00 | <liskin> | there are some ideas that may be applicable |
| 18:18:13 | <Solid> | liskin: that'd be great! |
| 18:18:33 | <Solid> | as a sidenote: I hope OBS finds a way to spend theirs; it's... quite a lot Oo |
| 18:19:06 | <liskin> | yeah I remember they mentioned this on one of the monthly community calls |
| 18:20:12 | <liskin> | something about needing a reasonably robust/steady income before feeling comfortable actually telling someone they can quit their job and be paid from the project |
| 18:20:46 | <Solid> | ah yeah that makes sense |
| 18:20:49 | <liskin> | not really an issue for us because I'm insane (and live in Europe) and quit jobs without thinking about the future :-D |
| 18:21:03 | <liskin> | (j/k) |
| 18:21:21 | <Solid> | though I would suspect OBS being a large and well-known enough project to have a steady income streams for at least the next few years |
| 18:23:27 | <liskin> | possibly, but they wanted some paperwork around that, like an actual sponsorship agreement/contract 2+ years into the future |
| 18:23:49 | <Solid> | oh I see |
| 18:24:08 | <narendranath344[> | Solid: OBS has done great job till now and I think it's big enough that a company would want to invest in their project |
| 18:25:48 | <liskin> | Solid: e-mail sent |
| 18:27:11 | <liskin> | out of those money spending ideas, stickers/t-shirts is probably a good idea to do given the logo change |
| 18:27:29 | <liskin> | although I'm a bit confused about that being a spending thing rather than an income thing |
| 18:27:46 | <Solid> | gotta spend money to make money :P |
| 18:27:53 | <liskin> | probably :-) |
| 18:27:56 | <geekosaur> | there is cost inb setting it up and overhead in maintaining it |
| 18:28:25 | <Solid> | I was holding off buying a t-shirt until now because of the logo change |
| 18:28:39 | <Solid> | but now I'm hyped for merch :) |
| 18:28:41 | <liskin> | I was looking into that a couple months earlier, hoping to find someone who's well integrated with Open Collective, but it wasn't as easy as I'd hoped |
| 18:28:45 | <geekosaur> | at least, if you're making money from it. (yes, we had that old tshirt but that we couldn't make money off of, it all went to the printer) |
| 18:29:19 | <liskin> | yeah, there's the VAT thing, once it's a physical item there's absolutely no doubt that VAT needs to be paid |
| 18:29:44 | <liskin> | and I'd rather starve than deal with that kind of stuff |
| 18:30:01 | <liskin> | it might actually be a reasonable idea to pay someone to set it all up |
| 18:30:05 | <Solid> | good point |
| 18:30:33 | <geekosaur> | right, I actually suggested that earlier but that was what sent liskin off on his wild goose chase I think |
| 18:30:51 | <geekosaur> | I was surprised opencollective didn't already have it or at least an arrangement with someone |
| 18:31:31 | <geekosaur> | probably means there isn't enough profit involved since they'd want a cut too |
| 18:31:51 | <liskin> | maybe it's just that the osc/github integration set too high a bar :-) |
| 18:32:59 | <liskin> | I did find a couple things that worked kind of like we give them OSC's account number, they send a PDF or a piece of paper every month, we forward that to OSC, someone at OSC manually tranfers the fund to our collective, rinse and repeat every month |
| 18:33:37 | <liskin> | and that's like, more trouble than it's actually worth? :-) |
| 18:34:16 | <geekosaur> | dad got into screen printing for a while, the profit margins were way too small |
| 18:34:35 | <geekosaur> | even building his own printing equipment |
| 19:11:41 | <Solid> | liskin: I have to say I always giggle a little when consultants tell you that paying for consultants is a very good idea :P |
| 19:15:44 | <geekosaur> | if we do want to look into tshirts, https://www.google.com/search?q=t+shirt+printing+fundraising has a few places to look (and at least one article about it) |
| 19:40:22 | <liskin> | Solid: I've got to admit I have no emotional response to that any more |
| 19:43:04 | <liskin> | the idea of paying someone to do something that might otherwise not get done is not alien to me, although I'm seriously lacking in the "finding that someone" and "trusting them" departments, so if there's any potential emotion, it'd be closer to being depressed with myself or the world in general rather than anything even remotely resembling contempt or thinking I know better :-/ |
| 19:50:17 | <Solid> | D: |
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| 19:59:56 | <liskin> | Solid: I decided not to bother with a PR and just pushed my svg fixes |
| 20:00:27 | <liskin> | if I broke anything pls let me know or fix it; new reddit avatar and GH org avatar are also updated |
| 20:00:34 | <liskin> | so the only thing left is the README |
| 20:01:17 | <liskin> | oh and Twitter :-/ |
| 20:01:41 | <Solid> | coolio, I'll check it out |
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| 20:09:25 | <liskin> | Solid: would you like to have an announcement post on the website or shall I just link to the GH Discussion thread? |
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| 20:16:30 | <Solid> | liskin: mh good question; I guess since we (also) announced the contest on the website we should announce the winner there as well |
| 20:19:54 | <liskin> | Solid: it's good practice to do that, yeah, but it's extra work, so… up to you :-) |
| 20:20:06 | <Solid> | :) |
| 20:20:17 | <Solid> | I'll write something up |
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| 20:20:36 | <liskin> | I think I've done as much around the logo as I could have, and now it's almost getting too late to get to the trayer padding thing :-/ |
| 20:23:19 | <Solid> | ah don't worry about that too much; I'll push some doc fixes and merge it and you can get to it when you get to it |
| 20:24:30 | liskin | thought it's a bit silly to change the API once it's merged, but if I get to it early enough… |
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| 20:25:20 | <liskin> | anyway, time for a break now |
| 20:25:36 | <Solid> | eh, as I see it everything that's "only" in master is pretty much subject to change (that is, if we don't take 3 years for a release :>) |
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| 20:56:14 | <Solid> | mh, don't really want to create a noise PR for such a small change; what do people think of something like https://i.imgur.com/eJj8auN.png ? |
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| 22:55:24 | liskin | would probably include the full wordmark as well somehow |
| 22:58:21 | <liskin> | in completely unrelated news, in addition to the voting contest finishing, I think I'm going to finish my experiment with having Ctrl/Strg on my Caps-Lock key |
| 22:58:34 | <liskin> | I've been unable to get used to it in like 2 months |
| 22:58:52 | <liskin> | and it hasn't had any effect on my wrist whatsoever |
| 22:59:16 | <liskin> | makes me doubt whether I'll ever be able to adapt to any other keyboard than the thinkpad 7-row :-/ |
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