Logs on 2022-03-30 (liberachat/#xmonad)
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| 01:19:57 | <Steven_M> | Hi, does xmonad have wayland support? |
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| 02:30:36 | <abhixec> | Steven_M: No, but it is being thought about: https://github.com/sponsors/xmonad |
| 02:31:58 | <Steven_M> | abhixec: okay, thanks :-) |
| 02:32:43 | <abastro[m]> | I think they are not a fan of idea to work on it tho |
| 02:42:51 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: well, rightly or wrongly wayland's coming weather we like it or not. |
| 02:43:19 | <abastro[m]> | Hm, wdym wayland is coming? |
| 02:43:58 | <Steven_M> | wdym? |
| 02:44:15 | <abastro[m]> | What do you mean by "wayland is coming?" |
| 02:46:04 | <Steven_M> | Sooner or later xorg won't be supported any more. |
| 02:46:19 | <Steven_M> | by distros |
| 02:58:43 | <abastro[m]> | Uh, would it? |
| 02:58:53 | <abastro[m]> | Why is it tho |
| 03:02:56 | <abastro[m]> | I mean, how could such a drastic shift of standard happen |
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| 04:19:33 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: Sorry, I was AFK |
| 04:24:22 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: I just thought that with the rise in popularity of wayland, xorg could soon be superseded. |
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| 05:17:02 | <abastro[m]> | I see, I just see it the other way. |
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| 06:28:51 | <Steven_M> | abastro[m]: Fair enough, I hope you're right. :) |
| 06:37:00 | <Solid> | Steven_M: wayland will certainly gain momentum, but xorg will _at least_ be maintained until 2030 (this is the EOL of RHEL *some-number* that still ships with full xorg support) |
| 06:37:11 | <Solid> | so you definitely don't need to worry about it going away |
| 06:37:38 | <tdammers> | also: it's open source, so it's not like it'll disappear. it's just that people will eventually stop working on it. |
| 06:37:49 | <Solid> | and while it is gaining momentum, the raw usage is still far behind xorg in any usage statistic that I could find |
| 06:38:22 | <Solid> | so yes, we should think about which direction we would like to go in (as we say on the sponsor page), but thankfully it's not like we need to make that decision tomorrow :) |
| 06:39:47 | <abastro[m]> | Oh, if raw usage is still quite behind, it is not yet time to worry |
| 06:39:58 | <abastro[m]> | Unless, you know, you are investing stock with the info |
| 06:41:35 | <Steven_M> | Solid: tdammers: those are some really good points, thank you. :) |
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| 09:37:14 | <geekosaur> | it's not so much that we don't want to work on it, as we're a bunch of X11 experts with 0 knowledge of wayland |
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| 09:37:40 | <geekosaur> | what we know of it is basically gleaned from wlroots-based stuff, and wlroots is apparently unstable |
| 09:38:20 | <abastro[m]> | Wlroots? |
| 09:38:22 | <geekosaur> | so we're not sure that's the way to go. which is one of the reasons we're trying to get enough income to hire someone who knows what they're doing wayland-wise |
| 09:38:53 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots |
| 09:39:07 | <geekosaur> | used by sway and waymonad, at least |
| 09:39:12 | <abastro[m]> | Ohh |
| 09:39:23 | <abastro[m]> | I see, hmm |
| 09:39:41 | <abastro[m]> | Hiring someone, sounds like xmonad would like to become a company |
| 09:40:02 | <geekosaur> | maybe hiring is the wrong word |
| 09:40:23 | <geekosaur> | but it's certain none of us is up to writing a wayland version of xmonad, so we'd have to pay someone else to do it |
| 09:41:10 | <abastro[m]> | Waymonad company, providing tiling window solutions at cheap cost |
| 09:46:13 | <Steven_M> | geekosaur: Good luck with fund raising. :-) |
| 09:47:26 | <abastro[m]> | Btw how much funding was xmonad able to raise |
| 09:47:56 | <geekosaur> | around $800/month coming in, I think |
| 09:48:56 | Steven_M | has to go |
| 09:49:15 | <Steven_M> | night all :-) |
| 09:49:38 | <davve> | maybe porting xmonad is too ambitious |
| 09:49:57 | <davve> | afaik xmonad was a haskell port of dwm |
| 09:50:08 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 09:50:35 | <geekosaur> | and it wouldn't be a port as such: xmonad's innards are too tightly tied to Xlib. that's why we couldn't even move to xcb |
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| 09:52:11 | <tdammers> | "port", as in, "rewrite" |
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| 10:02:48 | <abastro[m]> | Oh no, tight coupling :< |
| 10:03:21 | <abastro[m]> | Btw interesting that even $800/month was gathered |
| 10:03:32 | <abastro[m]> | Where is it being used currently? |
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| 10:08:17 | <geekosaur> | currently it's just gathering (we're using opencollective so they're holding it for us), we're still discussing where to use it |
| 10:09:01 | <abastro[m]> | Wow |
| 10:09:11 | <abastro[m]> | How long have you been gathering btw |
| 10:09:33 | <geekosaur> | only a couple months |
| 10:09:46 | <geekosaur> | and it hasn't been $800the whole time |
| 10:11:45 | <abastro[m]> | Oh, so that's an achievement! |
| 10:11:58 | <abastro[m]> | (Unless you don't mean it decreased :/ ) |
| 10:12:24 | <abastro[m]> | s/don't// |
| 10:20:21 | <geekosaur> | no, it's been slowly growing |
| 10:23:27 | <abastro[m]> | Yay! |
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| 11:18:39 | <liskin> | I think we're planning to buy some flights and hotels for the team to meet at ZuriHac in June |
| 11:19:17 | <liskin> | so people can chat to us and we can get drunk and chat with eath other and possibly hack on some stuff as well :-) |
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| 11:33:25 | <abastro[m]> | Woah? |
| 11:33:30 | <abastro[m]> | (Inb4 covid tho) |
| 11:33:54 | <geekosaur> | so far zurihac is planning to be physical this year |
| 11:33:56 | <liskin> | the last two summers the covid situation in central europe was fairly good |
| 11:34:10 | <geekosaur> | much of europe is dropping its covid restrictions |
| 11:34:46 | <geekosaur> | (so is much of the US although bus/plane/train mask restrictions are still in place for another month) |
| 11:34:50 | <liskin> | if I had to make a guess I'd say the number of daily cases will be way higher this year than the last two summers |
| 11:35:32 | <liskin> | the first covid summer we had isolated clusters and double-digit cases in cz, so we could live for a few months as if covid is a solved problem, that was fun |
| 11:39:49 | <abastro[m]> | Wow |
| 11:43:40 | <abastro[m]> | Tho I think countries are opening up as covid is heavily spreading |
| 11:43:50 | <abastro[m]> | Perhaps, covid really became a common cold |
| 11:47:07 | <liskin> | pre-vaccine covid was a bitch, but no idea what the current covid is like, and not sure I want to find out :-) |
| 11:48:29 | <geekosaur> | apparently notmuch worse than alight case of the flu |
| 11:48:46 | <geekosaur> | hospitalizations are way down despite infection numbers jumping up |
| 11:49:20 | <liskin> | what I'd be worried about is the long covid (and I've heard of lasting post-flu symptoms too) |
| 11:50:16 | <liskin> | it's a bit weird to me that it's not really being talked about, because many of the people I know (myself included) had quite a lot of trouble afterwards |
| 11:51:39 | <geekosaur> | yeh,one of my sister's kids apparently had long covid |
| 11:52:05 | <liskin> | but then the mental health impact of covid restrictions is very real as well, so perhaps it cancels out … |
| 11:52:18 | <liskin> | anyway I'm looking forward to ZuriHac |
| 11:52:44 | <liskin> | my wife went to an in-person conference last week and I joined her for the weekend and it was awesome |
| 11:52:48 | <geekosaur> | nobody'stalking about it becausemost people don't even believe it exists and researchers are still trying to understand what it is |
| 11:53:17 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I miss in-person confs (haven't been to one since 2005) |
| 11:53:30 | <geekosaur> | but I'm almost certain I can't do zurihac :( |
| 11:56:16 | <abastro[m]> | Long covid? |
| 11:56:37 | <geekosaur> | no, I've never had it |
| 11:56:52 | <abastro[m]> | First time hearing about it. What is it? |
| 11:57:16 | <geekosaur> | I'm (a) close to flat broke (b) pretty disabled at this point |
| 11:57:32 | <geekosaur> | "long covid" is persistent neurological symptoms post-covid |
| 11:57:40 | <geekosaur> | brain fog, etc. |
| 11:58:35 | <geekosaur> | researchers are finding that some people have not just neurological damage post-covid but damage to multiple organs |
| 11:58:49 | <abastro[m]> | Post covid symptoms? Hmm |
| 11:59:10 | <abastro[m]> | I heard of some before, but at least it seems like just as many ppl do not suffer that much |
| 11:59:10 | <geekosaur> | some ofit clears up after a year, unclear as yet because it hasn't been long enough if others recover fully given long enough |
| 11:59:22 | <abastro[m]> | Considering how many ppl contracted with covid nowadays |
| 11:59:23 | <geekosaur> | right, true long covid is rare |
| 11:59:56 | <geekosaur> | but there are enough people with it that there is ongoing research finding actualproblems with "long covid" sufferers |
| 12:00:51 | <geekosaur> | and omicron (and in particular the BA.2 variant currently making the rounds) hasn't been with us long enough to see how often long covid happens or how severe it might be |
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| 13:04:28 | <Solid> | geekosaur: well the "close to flat broke" part is why we're gathering donations, after all :) |
| 13:51:46 | <abastro[m]> | I hope covid actually became common cold |
| 13:53:10 | <geekosaur> | Solid, I may seriously be bringi8ng that up in a few months. would prefer to not repeat the past couple years again |
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| 13:59:02 | <Solid> | geekosaur: sounds good to me |
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| 18:43:47 | <geekosaur> | that HLS issue is breaking my brain :( |
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