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| 06:16:34 | <Solid> | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/160733 is merged now so nixos should have 0.17.0 I think |
| 06:16:40 | <Solid> | at least unstable |
| 06:17:04 | <Solid> | and yeah the matrix bridge is having some issues :/ |
| 06:17:12 | <Solid> | I noticed some messages not making it IRC -> Matrix |
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| 08:18:00 | <abastro[m]> | Since when did `isDialog` existed |
| 08:18:11 | <abastro[m]> | When I took hours coding in that |
| 08:19:59 | <abastro[m]> | Perhaps it has been there near permanently |
| 08:20:12 | <abastro[m]> | And I might not have notice it.. :< |
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| 09:05:56 | <abastro[m]> | When I was trying hard to reproduce the behavior, but with the minimal example the desktop is so unstable.... |
| 09:06:03 | <abastro[m]> | It is eager to turn itself off |
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| 10:23:14 | <geekosaur> | ManageHelpers has been around a fair while |
| 10:23:21 | <geekosaur> | including isDialog |
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| 10:23:56 | <geekosaur> | it's worth going through contrib once to see what's there' although remembering all 200 modules is probably asking a bit much for most people :) |
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| 12:31:33 | <abastro[m]> | Interesting |
| 12:31:59 | <abastro[m]> | I am lost at what would be causing the frequent shutdown on the simplest xmonad instance. |
| 12:32:20 | <abastro[m]> | Do you have any idea? It just goes back to login screen without any log. |
| 13:15:50 | <abastro[m]> | Perhaps it might be ghc 9.2.2 bug.. |
| 13:36:39 | <geekosaur> | no¸that usually means xmonad wans'tfound and the sessionshuts down immediately |
| 13:37:01 | <geekosaur> | make sure xmonad is in the session's PATH (remember that without helpit's usually /bin:/usr/bin) |
| 13:40:21 | <geekosaur> | most commonly you are using an old-stylesession (~/.xsession) and you just need to `source ~/.profile` or similar in it to get your PATH |
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| 14:44:49 | <abastro[m]> | No, I mean |
| 14:45:12 | <abastro[m]> | It turns on fine |
| 14:45:22 | <abastro[m]> | But minutes later, it turns off again |
| 14:46:02 | <geekosaur> | uh |
| 14:46:08 | <abastro[m]> | Somehow for unknown reason, it suddenly shuts oft |
| 14:46:18 | <abastro[m]> | And goes back to login screen |
| 14:46:39 | <abastro[m]> | Quite haunting tbh |
| 14:46:45 | <abastro[m]> | Not even logs tell anything |
| 14:47:50 | <abastro[m]> | geekosaur: any guess? |
| 14:48:04 | <geekosaur> | nope |
| 14:48:10 | <abastro[m]> | Is it wrong to upgrade to ghc9.2.2 |
| 14:48:46 | <geekosaur> | I haven't heard of any problems with it, but can't rule out a codegen issue |
| 14:49:53 | <abastro[m]> | Wait, xmonad does codegen? |
| 14:50:07 | <abastro[m]> | Hmm |
| 14:51:09 | <geekosaur> | no, I'm suggesting oif the compiler produces bad code then xmonadmight simply be dumping core |
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| 14:59:38 | <abastro[m]> | Ohno |
| 15:00:16 | <abastro[m]> | Hm how would I.. |
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| 15:13:01 | <geekosaur> | possibly a wrapper script |
| 15:20:56 | <abastro[m]> | Hm idk if it would be dumping core |
| 15:21:21 | <abastro[m]> | I also observed that this random crashing happens often after recompiling |
| 15:22:03 | <abastro[m]> | I can do many things, like browsing the internet with xmonad working, but when I trigger recompile functionality |
| 15:22:05 | <geekosaur> | you might not find core files if the system has them disabled (many linuxes default to `ulimit -c 0`) or catches them (that normally provides a pop-up, but not if it takes the session with it) |
| 15:22:11 | <abastro[m]> | It suddenly turns off! |
| 15:22:29 | <abastro[m]> | Then it turns off in a minute a few times more |
| 15:22:55 | <geekosaur> | hm. something about handleEventHook then, maybe? |
| 15:26:05 | <abastro[m]> | What does handleEventHook does? |
| 15:26:11 | <geekosaur> | I would arrange to build with debug info (requires a build script) and then run it via gdb, but I know what to do with the result :) (and how to do it…) |
| 15:26:11 | <abastro[m]> | do* |
| 15:27:13 | <geekosaur> | any event xmonad receives from the server goes through the master handleEventHook. first it runs the user handleEventHook (which is normally empty), then it handles various internal events |
| 15:27:39 | <geekosaur> | oh wait, recompile doesn't send any events, only restart does |
| 15:28:06 | <geekosaur> | what kind of machine is this? any chance you could be running out of memory? |
| 15:30:51 | <abastro[m]> | Oh wait |
| 15:31:03 | <abastro[m]> | I was doing recompile, not restart |
| 15:31:10 | <abastro[m]> | So that makes sense. |
| 15:31:13 | <geekosaur> | yes, I was the one confused, not you |
| 15:31:14 | <abastro[m]> | No chance of OOM |
| 15:33:34 | <abastro[m]> | Oh no I was doubly confused |
| 15:33:48 | <abastro[m]> | I was doing restart |
| 15:33:50 | <abastro[m]> | Not recompile |
| 15:34:11 | <abastro[m]> | Me lol.. I wonder if I am a human being at this point |
| 15:34:11 | <geekosaur> | are you just doing mod-q? that will do both |
| 15:34:45 | <geekosaur> | the restart part happens only if the recompile is successful, and sets a property on the root window which the master event hook detects |
| 15:36:54 | <abastro[m]> | Yes, mod+q |
| 15:37:08 | <abastro[m]> | Why did I even say recompile meh |
| 15:37:26 | <abastro[m]> | Sorry, I am a dumb being |
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| 16:47:54 | <Solid> | I love how, instead of user error, the first instinct is bad codegen by GHC :D |
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| 16:48:28 | <geekosaur> | if it's crashing randomly in the middleof a session, with a relatively new ghc version, well, yes |
| 16:48:41 | <geekosaur> | especially if it doesn't happen with other versions |
| 16:49:25 | geekosaur | wonders if he's dumb enough to risk trying it himself |
| 16:49:42 | <geekosaur> | don't like randomly losing my session… |
| 16:50:11 | <Solid> | didn't they come around to it being user error? |
| 16:50:37 | <geekosaur> | no? |
| 16:51:00 | <geekosaur> | the only user error they admitted to was being confused about recompile vs. restart vs. what mod-qdoes (which is both) |
| 16:51:04 | <Solid> | all this apologising sounds to me like "oh sorry I did a thing" |
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| 19:08:23 | <YusefAslam[m]> | Hi everyone, is there any way to switch a window into my own custom floating layer that has a decoration when doing mod + mouse button 1 and also move it aswell, I looked at XMonad source but I don't know how I would do this |
| 19:08:59 | <YusefAslam[m]> | wait leme try something brb |
| 19:12:11 | <geekosaur> | not presently. I've thought a bit about a layout which allowed for multiple layers, in particular so we could add true EWMH layer support, but it would have several shortcomings basically coming from the same source as our floating layer's many shortcomings. (To wit, each layer should really have its own StackSet.) |
| 19:16:47 | <YusefAslam[m]> | ah man, I guess I'll just deal with the limitation then I guess, not a big problem though, but would be nice to have |
| 19:18:38 | <geekosaur> | well, its own Stack, not a whole StackSet. but still. things would just behave way too weirdly if it kept jumping layers and intermixing windows, unless we gave the user some way to reorder a Stack |
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| 19:25:43 | <YusefAslam[m]> | 👍️ |
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| 21:23:15 | <anon_kun600[m]> | was there anything in particle wrong with my config |
| 21:26:09 | <geekosaur> | you have `main =` twice, once at the beginning (correct), once at the end (with an empty do block which is a syntax error) |
| 21:26:47 | <geekosaur> | remove lines 311–316 |
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| 22:11:56 | <anon_kun600[m]> | thank you |
| 22:21:02 | <YusefAslam[m]> | s/layer/layout/ |
| 22:27:22 | <geekosaur> | hm. an actual "floating" layout that didn't simply kick stuff into the floating layer like SimplestFloat would be a lot of work |
| 22:28:18 | <geekosaur> | and our layout handling probably isn't very up to it, although I guess storing a Map Window RationalRect of your own including decorations would be doable |
| 22:41:08 | <abastro[m]> | Floating layout? |
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