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| 02:18:54 | <abastro[m]> | Yea, "Clean code" recommends defining named function for many trivial-looking things |
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| 06:19:55 | <tdammers> | No offense, but there's a lot of bullshit in the Clean Code book, and even more bullshit touted by all sorts of people under the "clean code" umbrella |
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| 06:35:31 | <amenonsen> | maybe, but _this_ function is excellent. |
| 06:41:38 | <tdammers> | Sure, nothing wrong with naming things. As long as those things are tangible enough to be named, that is. But if you try to condense that into a nice soundbitey rule, you just get "things that deserve to be named should be named", so... meh |
| 06:45:51 | <amenonsen> | oh, you mean the namey-names rule. ;-) |
| 07:10:32 | <tdammers> | Yeah. Naming things just because they exist. |
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| 07:59:38 | <abastro[m]> | tdammers: Well yeah, I agree. Nevertheless, beginners seem to find it as a golden standard. Lol |
| 07:59:50 | <abastro[m]> | Likely lots of ppl in industry would do so as well |
| 08:00:45 | <abastro[m]> | "Deserve names, Should be named" could be hard for beginners at least tbh |
| 08:01:15 | <abastro[m]> | Tho ye I guess it makes more sense where simple null checks could mean `isLeaf` of tree |
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| 09:32:29 | <Solid> | I've never heard a beginner mention that book ever |
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| 10:09:21 | <tdammers> | No, but it is often recommended *to* beginners, or people just past the beginner stage. |
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| 10:13:30 | <liskin> | I'd argue that no single book should be taken as gospel (pun very much intended). |
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| 11:19:16 | <amenonsen> | is spawnOnce a suitable replacement for spawn "pgrep xmobar >/dev/null || exec xmobar"? |
| 11:20:08 | <amenonsen> | from what i understand, it wouldn't work if xmobar might be running somewhere else, but in my case i'm not starting it anywhere else, so it should be ok. |
| 11:20:14 | <amenonsen> | s/running/started/ |
| 11:23:47 | <amenonsen> | on the other hand, when i change my xmonad.hs and restart, i expect it'll re-spawn everything. maybe it's not worth changing. |
| 11:24:15 | <liskin> | amenonsen: have you seen https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0.9/XMonad-Hooks-StatusBar.html ? That thing will spawn it for you, and also kill/restart it when needed. |
| 11:24:41 | <liskin> | Especially useful for per-screen xmobars if one expects to (dis)connect outputs dynamically. |
| 11:24:55 | <amenonsen> | oh! |
| 11:24:57 | <liskin> | amenonsen: BTW thanks for reporting on your experiences with sway, that's really appreciated |
| 11:25:18 | <amenonsen> | i was looking at moving from DynamicLog to StatusBar, but i didn't realise it could start xmobar for me too. |
| 11:25:46 | <amenonsen> | (i'm using the spawn/pgrep trick to start other programs too, dunst, stalonetray, xss-lock, etc.) |
| 11:26:01 | <amenonsen> | liskin: thanks. it was an interesting experience for sure. |
| 11:26:07 | <liskin> | some stuff in DynamicLog already did start it for you, but only the property-based logging stuff, not the pipe-based |
| 11:26:50 | liskin | starts the other stuff via systemd, takes care of restarting too |
| 11:27:03 | <amenonsen> | the funny thing is, screen tearing under X has never bothered me very much, but i'm finding it ridiculously obtrusive now. i honestly can't figure out if it's worse on this new machine where i've never run X before, or if it's like it always was, and i'm just noticing it more now. |
| 11:27:24 | <amenonsen> | but i think it actually IS worse on this machine. |
| 11:27:54 | <liskin> | if you've used x86-video-intel in the past, as many of us had at some point, chances are tearing was indeed not a problem historically |
| 11:29:31 | <liskin> | but it's no longer maintained and crashes a lot more than the modesetting driver, so distros no longer use it, and everyone needs to run a compositor these days |
| 11:30:23 | <amenonsen> | oh |
| 11:32:35 | <amenonsen> | like picom? |
| 11:32:53 | <liskin> | like that, yes |
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| 11:38:35 | <mion> | xf86-video-intel is still maintained |
| 11:38:44 | <mion> | (but modesetting is generally better) |
| 11:40:12 | <amenonsen> | yikes |
| 11:40:26 | <amenonsen> | (i just started picom) |
| 11:40:37 | <mion> | default picom config is pretty bad |
| 11:40:59 | <amenonsen> | thank you for giving me some hope that it may be possible to make it better :-) |
| 11:41:11 | <mion> | it does silly things like make right click menus transparent |
| 11:41:44 | <liskin> | amenonsen: it will make some things better and other things worse :-D |
| 11:53:53 | <liskin> | mion: oh, interesting; having last released 7 years ago and having last pushed a year ago gives a different impression, though :-) |
| 11:56:32 | <mion> | liskin: intel for some reason insist on keeping their own copy of it instead of upstreaming :/ |
| 11:58:49 | <liskin> | mion: where does one find that copy? |
| 11:59:19 | <mion> | liskin: don't have the url at hand. Intel added support for their new dgpus and stuff to it |
| 11:59:54 | <mion> | wouldn't be surprised if its some big corporate that insists on using the driver and intel catering to them |
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| 12:04:27 | <amenonsen> | btw, i've started using a NamedScratchpad to run insect.sh (a calculator with a text interface). it's pretty handy. |
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| 12:56:45 | <Ether[m]> | Does anyone how i can only have borders on focused window? |
| 12:57:09 | <Ether[m]> | Not on inactive windows/recent windows.. |
| 13:00:05 | <geekosaur> | that's somewhat difficult to do |
| 13:00:41 | <geekosaur> | and there would be a lot of flickering, because you'd have to do it in the logHook so every time something changed all the borders would flicker |
| 13:01:35 | <geekosaur> | I just set the inactive border color to the same as my gtk theme's window color so it's not obvious |
| 13:02:26 | <Ether[m]> | geekosaur: Cleaver |
| 13:02:32 | <Ether[m]> | Clever* |
| 13:02:58 | <Ether[m]> | But isnt that the norm window border color? |
| 13:03:08 | <Ether[m]> | How do i change inactive window color? |
| 13:03:31 | <geekosaur> | inactiveBorderColor is one of the things you can set in the config record |
| 13:04:19 | <geekosaur> | sorry, it's normalBorderColor as opposed ot activeBorderColor |
| 13:04:21 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/xmonad.hs#L89 |
| 13:06:53 | <Ether[m]> | Hmm |
| 13:09:20 | <geekosaur> | are you really seeing recent windows colored differently? I think that's a specific module that does that |
| 13:09:26 | <geekosaur> | not default behavior |
| 13:31:02 | <Ether[m]> | <geekosaur> "are you really seeing recent..." <- What module? |
| 13:31:27 | <Ether[m]> | How do i stop this behavior? |
| 13:41:00 | <geekosaur> | I don't recall the module offhand |
| 13:41:17 | <geekosaur> | also I thought it only did that when activated (for window selection). this sounds odd |
| 13:41:30 | <geekosaur> | can you pastebin your current config? |
| 13:41:34 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 13:41:34 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
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| 14:32:20 | <Ether[m]> | <geekosaur> "can you pastebin your current..." <- Hmm |
| 14:32:31 | <Ether[m]> | Giimmme 2 mins.m |
| 14:47:19 | <Ether[m]> | geekosaur: its in my github.. |
| 14:47:40 | <Ether[m]> | https://github.com/Ahanaf-Ether/xmonad/blob/stable/xmonad.hs |
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| 14:59:55 | <geekosaur> | it's WindowNavigation, looks like |
| 15:00:58 | <geekosaur> | the documentation is unfortunate but it comes with a WNConfig that disables the feature (noNavigateBorders) |
| 15:18:53 | <Ether[m]> | No way to disable? |
| 15:21:11 | <Ether[m]> | geekosaur |
| 15:27:55 | <geekosaur> | You have to replace `windowNavigation` with `configurableNavigation noNavigateBorders` everywhere it appears |
| 15:30:55 | <Ether[m]> | How i do that? |
| 15:31:30 | <geekosaur> | edit your config? search and replace is in pretty much every editor |
| 15:32:34 | <Ether[m]> | Ohh |
| 15:32:43 | <Ether[m]> | Just like that? |
| 15:32:49 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 15:32:50 | <Ether[m]> | Isnt that a function? |
| 15:33:14 | <Ether[m]> | So that will throw an error? |
| 15:33:20 | <geekosaur> | yes but your config is already set up so you can just replace one with the other |
| 15:33:43 | <Ether[m]> | Do change it everywhere? |
| 15:33:53 | <Ether[m]> | Excluding import.. |
| 15:34:02 | <geekosaur> | theimport starts with uppercase |
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| 15:34:16 | <geekosaur> | if you do a case-matching search and replace it'll just work |
| 15:34:30 | <Ether[m]> | Ohh so all lowercase ones? |
| 15:34:33 | <Ether[m]> | Roger.. |
| 15:36:43 | <Ether[m]> | Throws an error |
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| 15:37:15 | <Ether[m]> | geekosaur |
| 15:38:35 | <Ether[m]> | My bad no space* |
| 15:38:59 | <Ether[m]> | No luck same behavior:( |
| 15:39:56 | <geekosaur> | hm, you imported it without a list so it should work, and I'm using the 0.15 docs so it should be there |
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| 15:41:48 | <Ether[m]> | The less bright border is what i dont want.. |
| 15:42:08 | <Guest53> | I would like to ask how i can get a transparent xmobar. I tryed setting alpha = 0, in the config file but nothing happens. Thanks |
| 15:42:58 | <Ether[m]> | Guest53: Picom.. |
| 15:43:09 | <Ether[m]> | You need to use a compositor.. |
| 15:43:45 | <Ether[m]> | Compton/picom one that supports transparency.. |
| 15:44:20 | <Ether[m]> | Find class name for xmobar and set your picom config. Thats the general take.. |
| 15:44:32 | <Ether[m]> | Guest53 |
| 15:46:35 | <geekosaur> | Ether[m], you have that all over the place. you should probably pick one place to put it, not everywhere it could possibly appear… |
| 15:46:36 | <Guest53> | Ok, i am absolute layman with picom, how may I do what you suggested? |
| 15:47:13 | <Ether[m]> | geekosaur: ? |
| 15:48:02 | <Ether[m]> | Guest53: What distro are you on? |
| 15:48:04 | <geekosaur> | Guest53, https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/compton.conf#L11-L14 but you want to include it instead of excluding it (the key line is 13, but you want to match xmobar's window class instead) |
| 15:48:25 | <geekosaur> | Ether[m], I copied your config over here so I could see what was going wrong |
| 15:48:38 | <Ether[m]> | Oo |
| 15:48:39 | <geekosaur> | you have 10 different copies of `windowNavigation` |
| 15:48:48 | <Ether[m]> | Yes |
| 15:48:51 | <Ether[m]> | And? |
| 15:48:58 | <geekosaur> | one in each layout, one in myLayouts, and one where you use myLayouts |
| 15:48:59 | <Ether[m]> | For each layout.. |
| 15:49:12 | <Ether[m]> | Yess. |
| 15:49:14 | <geekosaur> | so you're applyingt it 3 times |
| 15:49:27 | <Ether[m]> | Ohh |
| 15:49:31 | <Ether[m]> | So where should i apply it? |
| 15:49:39 | <Ether[m]> | For all/globally |
| 15:50:32 | <geekosaur> | you only need the one on line 538, the layoutHook definition |
| 15:50:46 | <Ether[m]> | Thanks |
| 15:52:07 | <Guest53> | Thanks, ill give it a try |
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| 15:52:39 | <Ether[m]> | geekosaur: your a genius:) |
| 15:52:43 | <geekosaur> | and yes, any time you want to use alpha you need a compositor |
| 15:53:04 | <geekosaur> | some terminals can "fake" it but it's imperfect, and it's only terminals |
| 15:56:11 | <geekosaur> | which means just setting alpha might be enough as long as picom is running |
| 15:56:49 | <geekosaur> | (feel free to copy my config though, it's nicer than the default. unless you prefer inactive transparency to inactive dim, but I find that unreadable) |
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| 16:48:42 | <Ether[m]> | geekosaur i am really struggling trying to get swapping windows directional as expected 😫 |
| 16:49:11 | <Ether[m]> | When i swap master window i cant move left.. |
| 16:51:02 | <Ether[m]> | Window navigation2d doesn't know which window was last focused.. but windowNavigation does but swap wont work :( |
| 16:53:43 | <geekosaur> | I'm not sure I can help; I don't work with these layouts much, but I know they're kinda abusing xmonad a bit |
| 16:54:48 | <Ether[m]> | Any ideas? |
| 16:55:21 | <Ether[m]> | I hate having to itterate again and agin just to get to left or right windows.. |
| 16:55:31 | <Ether[m]> | And i hate wrapping in general.. |
| 16:56:37 | <geekosaur> | not really, no |
| 16:56:50 | <geekosaur> | maybe someone else here has an idea |
| 16:57:12 | <geekosaur> | (also I'm shortly going to be away for a couple of hours) |
| 16:57:38 | geekosaur | 's apartment has bedbugs. they're spraying every few weeks |
| 16:58:13 | <geekosaur> | (speaking of iterating…) |
| 16:58:35 | <Ether[m]> | Haha |
| 16:58:48 | <Ether[m]> | See ya! |
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| 19:49:39 | <anon_kun600[m]> | how do I make it to where xmonad' |
| 19:49:45 | <anon_kun600[m]> | error messages actually are readable to me |
| 19:49:49 | <anon_kun600[m]> | how do I change font color |
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| 19:52:26 | Server | sets mode +cnt |
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| 20:14:49 | <geekosaur> | hm. normally it uses xmessage and the font is black on white |
| 20:15:36 | <geekosaur> | did your distro replace xmessage perhaps? or you have a gtk settings manager that also sets resources, in which case you would have to change it there somehow |
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