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| 00:30:52 | <Henson> | geekosaur: so the problem appears to be some combination of layoutN, simpleTabbed, and avoidStruts. I've boiled the config down to just those things, and the problems manifests immediately. Eliminating any one of those three eliminates the problem. Is there any layout other than layoutN that allows me to partition the screen into a left and right region with different layouts in each? |
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| 02:29:52 | <Henson> | geekosaur: very simple layout: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/Ecoh108a |
| 02:30:17 | <Henson> | heh, oops, I was scrolling back and I guess I thought you had asked me for the file again, but it was just your earlier request I saw. |
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| 03:35:52 | <Henson> | I ended up getting it working with a combination of Master and TabBarDecoration layouts. Using tabbed with the layout builders, when I was able to get it to work by omitting avoidStruts, caused visual artifacts mentioned here https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/136 |
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| 06:19:42 | <deebo> | bit unrelated, but anyone seen this: when i use xev to debug mouse events, scrolling up i get consistent button4 events, but scrolling down, i get mixed button4 and 5 |
| 06:20:03 | <deebo> | this shows up as really weird jerky scrolling when a scroll can basically cancel itself out instantly |
| 06:21:42 | <deebo> | i don't remember this being an issue on windows, only when i use it on my work laptop (the same mouse) |
| 06:23:06 | <deebo> | hmm, seems to happen in osx too, maybe windows just smooths out the events or something, guess the mouse is just borked |
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| 06:36:39 | <Solid> | mh, apparently xmobar is getting cairo/pango rendering |
| 06:36:55 | <Solid> | maybe we can ~~steal~~ adapt this to X.Prompt |
| 06:37:12 | <Solid> | would probably solve a lot of issues that we currently have with XFT rendering |
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| 10:00:58 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-14-g2ebbe57b: X.U.Run: Quote string in execute and eval (3 hours ago, 2 files, 15+ 2-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/2ebbe57bc2f5 |
| 10:00:58 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-15-ga44df170: X.U.Run: Add findFile (2 hours ago, 2 files, 10+ 0-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/a44df170f4cf |
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| 12:15:53 | <geekosaur> | @tell Henson sorry, went to bed. There are multiple ways to split the screen like that, including Combo/ComboP. Possibly layoutN doesn't play well with what you're doing. |
| 12:15:53 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
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| 16:13:48 | <Big-Blue24> | Hello All! over the weeks I have built a very sleek, fast and minimalistic config of Xmonad, there is very little of which I desire, one of them is the possibility to create a layout of tabbed windows on the master's pane along with a group of tiled windows on the slave's one, I have already searched on everywhere on the web but sadly, the all |
| 16:13:48 | <Big-Blue24> | guides I have found are either dysfunctional, or outdated.. |
| 16:14:01 | <Big-Blue24> | Is there a (possibly clean) solution to create it? |
| 16:16:23 | <geekosaur> | older layouts should generally still work, aside from things like various `default…` being replaced with `def` |
| 16:18:18 | <Big-Blue24> | older layouts? are they capable of grouping two or more windows on the master's pane in a tabbed way? along with tiling the other (slave) windows in the tall manner? |
| 16:18:42 | <geekosaur> | there are several ways to split up a layout that way, yes |
| 16:18:54 | <Big-Blue24> | for instance..? |
| 16:20:00 | <Big-Blue24> | Excuse me if I might sound ignorant, but I used i3 in the past, and I'm looking for creating the faster version of the i3's manual algorithm.. |
| 16:20:12 | <geekosaur> | simpleTabbed *||* tall where tall = … (the operator *||* is from XMonad.Layouts.LayoutModifiers) |
| 16:20:47 | <geekosaur> | there's also ComboP for when you want to place windows in one or the other layout based on a property |
| 16:21:46 | <geekosaur> | sorry, LayoutCombinators |
| 16:22:00 | <geekosaur> | ComboP is in XMonad.Layout.ComboP |
| 16:22:15 | <Big-Blue24> | ok, let me try... |
| 16:22:17 | <geekosaur> | there's a couple of others, someone was using layoutN last night |
| 16:23:35 | <Big-Blue24> | ..import XMonad.Layout.LayoutModifiers...? |
| 16:24:09 | <geekosaur> | LayoutCombinators instead of LayoutModifiers; I misspoke |
| 16:24:18 | <geekosaur> | (and attempted to correct myself earlier) |
| 16:25:41 | <Big-Blue24> | it gives me an ambiguous reference on "|||" when there are other layouts... |
| 16:28:53 | <Solid> | If you're on 0.15/0.16 then you have to replace `import XMonad` with `import XMonad hiding ((|||))` |
| 16:29:22 | <Solid> | so that you can use ||| from LayoutCombinators |
| 16:30:36 | <Big-Blue24> | Ok, now it gives me an error when I try to combine simpleTabbed with tall upon using "*||*" |
| 16:31:25 | <Solid> | well, what kind of error? :) |
| 16:31:57 | <Big-Blue24> | it just.. can't find neither tall nor Tall when using "myLayout: ... ||| simpleTabbed *||* tall" |
| 16:32:34 | <Solid> | where have you defined tall? |
| 16:33:58 | <Big-Blue24> | mhh, I haven't imported the library for tall yet, but which was it? |
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| 16:34:59 | <Solid> | Tall is a default layout, but the `Tall` data constructor wants some more arguments |
| 16:35:09 | <Big-Blue24> | like def..? |
| 16:35:18 | <Solid> | hence lots of people create an alias `tall = Tall 1 (3/100) (1/2)` or something like that |
| 16:36:22 | <Big-Blue24> | an alias... Should I use "where"? |
| 16:36:30 | <Big-Blue24> | tall where tall = Tall 1 (3/100) (1/2) |
| 16:36:47 | <Solid> | something like that |
| 16:39:13 | <Big-Blue24> | Oh, now it works, but I have now three problems: the first is that the border is flickering, the second is that the cpu temperature is rising and the third problem is that I don't know how to add windows on the slave pane |
| 16:39:19 | <geekosaur> | sorry, fire alarm foo in my building |
| 16:39:36 | <Big-Blue24> | np |
| 16:39:55 | <geekosaur> | …not that again, border flickering means xmonad is switching focus a lot |
| 16:40:01 | <geekosaur> | it shouldn't be |
| 16:40:27 | <Big-Blue24> | is it because I'm using an outdated version of xmonad? (0.14) |
| 16:40:39 | <geekosaur> | no |
| 16:40:53 | <Big-Blue24> | then why? |
| 16:41:11 | <geekosaur> | I don't know. can you paste your full config? |
| 16:41:13 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 16:41:13 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 16:41:23 | <geekosaur> | please don't paste directly into IRC |
| 16:42:10 | <Big-Blue24> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/ydDHospz |
| 16:43:12 | <geekosaur> | hm, I intended you change the whole layout, not append that to the end, not that that should cause flickering |
| 16:43:27 | <geekosaur> | I'm not sure which of *||* or ||| takes precedence |
| 16:44:40 | <Big-Blue24> | I'm not sure how to change it |
| 16:46:05 | <geekosaur> | myLayout = tabbed shrinkText myTabConfig *||* tall |
| 16:46:16 | <geekosaur> | (leave the where clause alone) |
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| 16:47:25 | <Big-Blue24> | but won't all the other layouts go away? |
| 16:49:34 | <geekosaur> | did you want them? how did you want your layouts to work exactly? as specified, you get the normal layouts with their normal panes, and mod-space from the first tabbed layout to a split layout with a different tabbed setup on the left |
| 16:49:40 | <geekosaur> | (I looked up the precedences) |
| 16:50:30 | <geekosaur> | *||* binds tighter than ||| so the standard layouts take precedence |
| 16:51:10 | <Big-Blue24> | Oh sorry, I didn't quite explain myself, I need, the default tiled layout along with the mirror layout, along with the Fullscreen tabbed layout and the layout I described before |
| 16:52:09 | <geekosaur> | okay, then you should stay with what you have aside form possibly replacing simpleTabbed with the same tabbed specification you already have (so myTabConfig will apply to it as well) |
| 16:53:18 | <Big-Blue24> | sadly, it's still flickering |
| 16:53:22 | <geekosaur> | that said, I don't knhow how that combination behaves; most people who want a split layout want the split to be on the outside |
| 16:53:58 | <Big-Blue24> | maybe.. if I try changing the order? |
| 16:55:08 | <Big-Blue24> | nope, still flickering, and I guess it's the problem with the layout itself |
| 16:56:44 | <geekosaur> | that's twice today. but it should have worked in 0.14… |
| 16:57:09 | <Big-Blue24> | strange |
| 16:57:48 | <Big-Blue24> | Is there still hope? or should I just ditch the whole idea? |
| 16:58:27 | <geekosaur> | myLayout = tiled ||| Mirror tiled ||| tabbed shrinkText myTabConfig ||| combineTwo (TwoPane (3/100) (1/2)) simpleTabbed tall |
| 16:58:37 | <geekosaur> | and import XMonad.Layout.TwoPane |
| 16:59:12 | <geekosaur> | this probably won't quite behave the way you'd like and needs some extra keybinds to be useful, but I'm interested in seeing if it has the same screen flickering problem |
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| 17:00:50 | <Big-Blue24> | I've imported, but it says that "TwoPane" is not declared |
| 17:01:01 | <Big-Blue24> | naming convention?? |
| 17:01:51 | <Big-Blue24> | **combineTwo is not |
| 17:02:06 | <geekosaur> | there's also XMonad.Layout.LayoutBuilder.layoutN which splits things a slightly different way |
| 17:02:20 | <geekosaur> | sorry, forgot to tell you to import XMonad.Layout.Combo |
| 17:04:07 | <Big-Blue24> | Great! now it works, how do I add windows on the slave pane? thanks in advance |
| 17:05:16 | <geekosaur> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Layout-Combo.html describes the key sequences you can use to move windows between panes |
| 17:05:57 | <geekosaur> | you may also be interested in ComboP which lets you specify a window matcher that will automatically send windows to one pane or the other |
| 17:06:14 | <Big-Blue24> | oh, great thank you! one last thing, to customize the combined layout I must create an alias, right? |
| 17:06:27 | <geekosaur> | customize how? |
| 17:07:02 | <Big-Blue24> | the tabbed windows on the left are still using the simple configuration, for I must use myTabConfig |
| 17:08:17 | <geekosaur> | right, I suggested earlier you can replace that with the other one. with combineTwo you could either add something to the where clause, or wrap it in parentheses |
| 17:08:44 | <geekosaur> | probably for consistency with `tall` you use the entry in the where clause, and then refer to it twice in `myLayout` |
| 17:10:11 | <Big-Blue24> | for the parentheses insted, would something like "tabbed (shrinkText myTabConfig) tall" work? |
| 17:10:18 | <Big-Blue24> | at the end? |
| 17:10:46 | <geekosaur> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/DvgjtnbL |
| 17:11:02 | <geekosaur> | or: (tabbed shrinkText myTabConfig) |
| 17:11:12 | <geekosaur> | the parens go on the outside of a function call in Haskell |
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| 17:14:28 | <Big-Blue> | You're a lifesaver, thanks! |
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| 22:42:43 | <mesaoptimizer> | well, for me I'm a bit unsatisfied by the startup time due to xmonad rebuilding everytime I execute it during startup |
| 22:43:28 | <mesaoptimizer> | I rarely reboot my machine and the startup time <1min so I don't care much though |
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