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01:51:26 <QNX> Hi good evening
01:51:36 <QNX> NS "term" "konsole" (className =? "konsole") (noTaskbar <> customFloating $ W.RationalRect (1/10) (1/10) (8/10) (8/10)) I'm using this
01:52:10 <QNX> https://bpa.st/YRKQ
01:52:43 <QNX> I'm trying to understand this error
01:53:12 <QNX> I tried to use geekosaur config as example
01:53:56 <QNX> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Util-NoTaskbar.html doesn't have any example as it assumes the person knows haskell :) which I don't
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02:39:07 <QNX> i could not figure this out. whenever anyone gets a chance, please advise
02:39:42 <QNX> https://bpa.st/E5RA my total config
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03:17:08 <[Leary]> QNX: $ has the lowest precedence, hence `foo <> bar $ baz` means `(foo <> bar) baz`, but you probably want `foo <> bar baz`. Rather than $, try using brackets.
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04:45:25 <QNX> NS "term" "konsole" (className =? "konsole") (noTaskbar <> customFloating <> W.RationalRect (1/10) (1/10) (8/10) (8/10))
04:45:27 <QNX> No luck
04:46:35 <QNX> I cant' figure out the syntax, sorry
04:52:12 <Solid[m]> what error are you getting? this at least looks like correct syntax for sleepy me
04:53:38 <QNX> sec
04:55:02 <QNX> https://bpa.st/KR3Q Solid[m]
04:56:07 <Solid[m]> Ah, right, customFloating takes an argument
04:56:09 <QNX> https://bpa.st/7HSQ config file
04:56:30 <QNX> it takes rationalect arg
04:56:33 <QNX> so I put it after that?
04:56:38 <Solid[m]> NS "term" "konsole" (className =? "konsole") (noTaskbar <> customFloating (W.RationalRect (1/10) (1/10) (8/10) (8/10)))
04:56:44 <Solid[m]> yes
04:56:48 <QNX> Oh pu tin pareth
04:57:42 <QNX> (customFloating <> W.RationalRect (1/10) (1/10) (8/10) (8/10) <> noTaskbar) <- that didn't work
04:57:42 <Solid[m]> Can also do Solid​NS "term" "konsole" (className =? "konsole") $ noTaskbar <> customFloating (W.RationalRect (1/10) (1/10) (8/10) (8/10)) but maybe that's more confusing
04:57:45 <QNX> ok I will try the ()
04:57:55 <QNX> Oh I see
04:57:58 <QNX> I gotta learn haskell
04:59:30 <QNX> Weird. No more error, but app still shows up in KDE pager/taskbar
05:00:20 <QNX> Do i need to add a hook somewhere I wonder
05:00:23 <QNX> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Util-NoTaskbar.html#g:1
05:00:32 <QNX> has a manage hook and a function
05:00:56 <Solid[m]> doesn't look like it
05:01:03 <QNX> Thanks man
05:01:06 <QNX> Have a good sleep!
05:01:13 <QNX> Dont' stay up too late
05:01:15 <QNX> :)
05:01:31 <Solid[m]> nono, I'm sleepy because I just woke up :D
05:01:36 <QNX> Oh ha
05:01:39 <QNX> opposite time ends
05:01:44 <QNX> You must be in EU
05:01:50 <QNX> I am USA time, 11pm here
05:02:09 <Solid[m]> yeah, 7am here
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05:11:32 liskin stayed up late :-(
05:12:03 <liskin> Apparently it's the insomnia phase of covid recovery
05:12:13 <liskin> Or just too much tea
05:21:37 <QNX> So I enabled this nostaskbar util and i still see the apps on kde taskbar
05:21:43 <QNX> i restarted the apps and xmonad
05:22:15 <QNX> Oh nevermind, I'm hallucinationing.
05:22:19 <QNX> It works.
05:32:15 <Solid> oh shit you got covid again?
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07:56:37 <QNX> So I set up CAPS lock key 66 to send Hyper_L
07:56:56 <QNX> Let's see if that works in ezconfig with capslock key
07:59:42 <QNX> doesn't work. :/
08:00:17 <QNX> ("<Hyper_L>-1", namedScratchpadAction scratchpads "konsole") hyper_l doesn't work eitehr.
08:00:54 <QNX> xmodmap says lock is cleared
08:04:30 <[Leary]> QNX: I think Hyper_L is a keysym? That's not really how things work; you can't just use them as modifiers. You'd want to configure your keyboard so that capslock goes under a free modifier, then have xmonad listen for that.
08:04:57 <QNX> hyper l/r dont' work either
08:05:06 <QNX> I see
08:05:30 <QNX> I modified capslock to send hyper so i can have extra modifer in emacs
08:05:41 <QNX> I also want to use capslock as a modifer for xmonad shortcuts
08:06:04 <QNX> capslock under a free modifer like mod234 or soemthing
08:06:13 <QNX> then use xmond to use that mod key like M1 M2 etc.
08:06:15 <QNX> you mean?
08:06:31 <QNX> mod 3 is blank line according to xmodmap output
08:07:25 <QNX> xmodmap -e "add mod3 = Caps_Lock" <- didn't have an effect
08:10:08 <[Leary]> In xkb config you want to use something like `modifier_map Mod3 { <CAPS> };`. I don't know the xmodmap equivalent. It might also be the case that existing keyboard config for the key is getting in the way.
08:10:28 <[Leary]> That said, have you actually told xmonad to listen for `modMask3`?
08:10:36 <[Leary]> I'm not sure how that looks in EZConfig.
08:11:14 <[Leary]> `mod3Mask`*
08:12:12 <QNX> M3
08:12:18 <QNX> M1 is regular alt key
08:12:25 <QNX> ezconfig equivalent
08:12:33 <QNX> xkb huh ok
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08:32:50 <QNX> Cool, thanks man!
08:32:55 <QNX> Home slice.
08:33:03 <QNX> Diggity dude, man bro dawg.
08:33:05 <QNX> <3
08:33:56 <QNX> Xmodmap config:
08:33:59 <QNX> clear Lock
08:34:03 <QNX> keycode 66 = Hyper_L Hyper_R
08:34:06 <QNX> add mod3 = Hyper_L
08:34:21 <QNX> Then in EZconfig, M3, like: , ("M3-1", namedScratchpadAction scratchpads "konsole")
08:34:55 <QNX> Now I can has M3 `to =, q to \, a to ', z to /
08:34:59 <QNX> Lots of useful keys.
08:36:05 <QNX> or, M-M3 or C-M3 or M1-M3 (should work)
08:36:57 <QNX> https://bpa.st/TFVA messing with a few diff ones to see which ones fit my fingers the best
08:37:38 <QNX> Since I'm always on home keys, I can do Meta key on right + a on left, like in screen's ctrl+a
08:38:05 <QNX> Anyone got ideas, tips, on sorting out modifier keys and have them make some logical sense
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08:43:11 <QNX> like So far, easiest is, M-`, C-`, and M3-` (three shortcuts for most used apps, terminal, editor, browser)
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09:52:36 <liskin> Solid: yeah, but it's a bit better this time
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10:21:57 <QNX> liskin: are you vaccinated?
10:22:16 <QNX> liskin: were you vaccindated before you contracted the virus?
10:22:27 <QNX> liskin: how many vaccines did you do if you did so?
10:22:49 <liskin> QNX: not with the updated booster unfortunately, but yes with the three doses everyone got last year
10:22:52 <QNX> (I had 1st shot, then I didn't get the 2nd shot or booster)
10:23:07 <QNX> I'm so confused
10:23:29 <QNX> I don't want to discuss viruses here, but I mean. If you are even vaccinated, you still get it
10:23:36 <QNX> If you are not vaccinated, you still get it.
10:25:05 <liskin> Yeah just the probabilities are different and the probabilities of it being bad are different, that's all.
10:26:16 <liskin> Having escaped omicron for so long and not being lucky enough to live in a country that makes omicron booster available for everyone means those probabilities weren't in my favor.
10:26:49 <liskin> Still doesn't say one bit about whether it needs to be bad or not.
10:53:29 <QNX> Jeez.
10:53:48 <QNX> I 'ms orry
10:54:04 <QNX> I am scared of it too but also because of all the things people say about what the vaccine does
10:54:11 <QNX> the first one didn't even affect me, I was just normal, fine.
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11:32:49 <ChaoticMist[m]> slot-[m]: did not know where to find you besides here, but any ideas when next kmonad release will be?
11:47:00 <liskin> QNX: people say a lot of things for often very wrong reasons, and then many other people repeat those same things for the silly reason of them being silly
11:47:52 <liskin> QNX: if the first dose didn't do anything wrong for you I'd assume it's reasonable to assume getting the other doses is very likely to be beneficial and harmless
12:31:02 <geekosaur> I'm scheduled to get third dose with omicron booster on Friday
12:32:26 <geekosaur> and still don't know if I've ever gotten it, but I'd have expected it to be worse than my usual allergies+deviated septum symptoms…
12:36:28 <dminuoso> I think the main problem with expectations about symptoms is that most do not understand how the immune system works and what the vaccine does.
12:37:10 <dminuoso> And what expectations you can have from "immunization" (that term is grossly misleading to non-biologists)
12:42:40 <dminuoso> liskin | Yeah just the probabilities are different and the probabilities of it being bad are different, that's all.
12:45:05 <dminuoso> A wild oversimplification is that the airways can be split into two upper and lower airways. The main immune response in upper airways uses predominantly IgA, while lower airways predominantly uses IgG. And it so happens that the Sars-CoV-2 vaccines train mostly just IgG responses
12:46:25 <dminuoso> Which means your upper airways are mostly left unprotected, which is fine because the deadliness of COVID is severe lung disfunction which is what the vaccine really protects. But you can still attract it easily (and get heavy upper airway immunoresponses), and spread it - just with a lower viral load (simply because the large lung surface is mostly kept virus free)
12:47:51 <liskin> can't say that makes the expectations much clearer though :-)
12:48:11 <dminuoso> Well, you can expect not to get send to hospital onto a ventilator if you are vaccinated. :-)
12:48:48 <liskin> that's a bit better, yeah
12:50:19 <dminuoso> And if you're curious, thats what the current research into nasal spray vaccination is about, to find a way to train the IgA responses in upper airways. It's only then when getting infected becomes highly unlikely.
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12:53:31 <liskin> there's also the issue of covid affecting other organs though
12:53:43 <liskin> and long covid
12:53:48 <liskin> brain fog and shit
12:54:15 <dminuoso> Right, for those symptoms I think it's a collective reduction of chances - presumably due to much lower viral load
12:54:59 <liskin> hm, makes sense
12:55:09 <liskin> this time I didn't even lose a sense of smell
13:04:22 <dminuoso> I was quite unlucky with my covid infection a few weeks ago
13:05:14 <geekosaur> and it'sprobably easier for it to invade the rest of the body once it gets into the lungs
13:06:53 <dminuoso> It's a good question whether the virus enters the body or not.
13:07:42 <dminuoso> In some diseases internal organs are affected due to various body reactions to the immuneresponses
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15:08:04 <Big-Blue> Hello All! Today I'm trying to set a key (in this case xK_Pause) to temporally disable xmonad shortcuts, but whenever I press xK_Pause the shortcuts are still enable, what to do? myconfig: https://pastebin.com/raw/kJJP4VcF following this guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/xmonad/comments/8xrmki/is_there_a_way_to_temporarily_disable_keybindings/
15:10:12 <Big-Blue> *Enabled
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16:12:32 <Guest62> Can i get some goddamn support?
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16:13:15 <Guest62> I’ve been trying to get this cmonad stuff and I’ve encountered dozens of issues but this is by far the most annoying one
16:13:33 <Guest62> After restarting my PC, my config that I made isn’t working anymore
16:14:18 <Guest62> it still shows my wallpaper and runs xrandr on login ut doesn’t change keybinds nor does it do anything else
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16:29:38 <Big-Blue> Can someone please help me?
16:29:59 <Big-Blue> I'm trying to set a key (in this case xK_Pause) to temporally disable xmonad shortcuts, but whenever I press xK_Pause the shortcuts are still enable, what to do? myconfig: https://pastebin.com/raw/kJJP4VcF following this guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/xmonad/comments/8xrmki/is_there_a_way_to_temporarily_disable_keybindings/
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17:46:19 <geekosaur> as written, that wants mod-Pause
17:46:44 <geekosaur> `M.insert (modMask conf, togSym)`
17:47:36 <geekosaur> Big-Blue ^^
17:48:20 <geekosaur> if you want it to be just the Pause key, change `modMask conf` to `0`
18:18:19 <Big-Blue> thanks!
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