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00:06:50 <jabuxas> thank you geekosaur
00:07:05 <geekosaur> you're welcome
00:14:00 <jabuxas> how do u run smonad on mate btw?
00:15:18 <geekosaur> https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_MATE
00:15:51 <geekosaur> xmonad-log-applet is a bit of a mess though, you have to connect to it using dbus
00:17:53 <jabuxas> how big is the improvement over regular MATE?
00:17:55 <geekosaur> also there's like 3 different variants because it has to be built differently for mate, xfce, and gnome2, so it's often not packaged
00:17:57 <jabuxas> or how is the change
00:18:29 <geekosaur> not a huge change, you get back all the space wasted by marco's borders and such though
00:18:37 <geekosaur> (marco being the standard mate wm)
00:21:17 <geekosaur> also xmonad is distinctly more keyboard-friendly
00:22:04 <geekosaur> especially if you configure FloatKeys which lets you replace the main use of the mouse
00:22:45 <geekosaur> so I kinda get the best of both worlds, I have a desktop for apps which want one, but also the advantages of xmonad
00:23:52 <jabuxas> interesting
00:24:16 <jabuxas> FloatKeys are for moving float windows arounbd?
00:26:04 <geekosaur> yes. by default that's pretty much the only thing in xmonad that requires the mouse (mod-mouse1 or mod-mouse3, plus dragging)
00:26:23 <geekosaur> mouse1 for move, mouse3 for resize
00:26:35 <geekosaur> but FloatKeys provides keyboard equivalents for both
00:27:08 <jabuxas> that's very efficient
00:27:32 <jabuxas> I don't like forcing myself to much on the keyboard, so mod + m1/m3 for moving and resizing for me is very interesting
00:27:59 <jabuxas> but while it took some time for me to get xmonad running, it is a very good wm and im glad i didnt give up this time
00:29:04 <geekosaur> there are also mouse equivalents available for some of the keyboard operations (for example DragPane in place of the usual keyboard adjustment of master vs. slave window space)
00:29:25 <geekosaur> we're all about the flexibility 🙂
00:43:34 <jabuxas> https://imgur.com/a/jOiExkb
00:43:39 <jabuxas> looking good, the trayer
00:43:52 <jabuxas> jsut need to fix some scripts and coloring
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08:54:53 <[Leary]> The event loops in the repeatable actions block the main xmonad event loop, right? What hoppens to the events generated in the meantime---are they lost, queued up, somehow handled?
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09:04:57 <liskin> [Leary]: they stay in the queue
09:05:07 <liskin> man XMaskEvent
09:07:05 <[Leary]> liskin: I see, thanks.
09:13:20 <[Leary]> I wonder what X.A.CycleRecentWS is doing with its `unView` then. It shouldn't need to worry about mangling intermediate changes, and could just grab a copy of the windowset at the start to base each preview off of.
09:15:45 <[Leary]> Perhaps the non-mangling is just an incidental bonus, and I've misunderstood its purpose.
09:15:52 <liskin> that code seems familiar
09:16:05 <liskin> I'm pretty sure you'll find an entire essay full of answers in its git blame :-)
09:17:44 <liskin> hm, it's not there
09:18:24 <liskin> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/543#discussion_r630279325
09:18:30 <liskin> there may be more in that PR
09:20:56 <liskin> in unrelated news, 0.17.1 in debian unstable \o/
09:22:36 <liskin> looks like not bumping the 0.17 is the key, so we must never ever do breaking changes again :-D
09:23:23 <liskin> (too late it seems :-))
09:24:25 <Solid> very much too late :]
09:24:51 <Solid> we could, of course, ride the 0.17.x wave from now on, not like we follow PVP anyways :>
09:32:07 <[Leary]> Okay, so it comes down to the fact the just running the layouts can change layout state, and discarding those changes can create bugs. That's kinda awkward.
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09:46:56 <liskin> real word code tends to be hairy :-)
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16:40:50 <jabuxas> my xmonad is tiling every window by default after I booted my pc today, yesterday everything was fine. Is there any setting that could possibly be doing that?
16:43:24 <jabuxas> actually, figured it out. yesterday I was playing with some windows that needed doFloat and doShift. I guess I can't put both at the same time (even though it compiles just fine)
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16:44:18 <jabuxas> `, [ className =? "Lutris" --> doShift "gfx", doFloat]` like this. Is it even possible to do this?
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17:00:50 <[Leary]> jabuxas: the comma there has the lowest precedence (as it were). So the `className` check only applies to the `doShift`, which `doFloat` applies unchecked---to all windows. You want something like `... -> doShift "gfx" <> doFloat`.
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17:01:11 <[Leary]> while*
17:04:22 <jabuxas> it worked! ty, Leary
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19:38:45 <mc47> Solid the stickers look AWESOME! Where did you get them?
19:40:07 <mc47> (I must apologize about munihac, I could barely leave my bed that weekend... things are getting better now I hope... and screw bureaucracy)
20:05:50 geekosaur came near that this past weekend and it continued into this morning. thankfully it let up enough that I could go to the bank and the store
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