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| 01:34:25 | <seanchapel[m]> | Hi, I'm a newbie to xmonad and I'm having two issues. 1) I like to mod + right click to resize a window however for some reason that is toggling floating mode for the window. 2) it seems like when electron apps get notifications that the app freezes for a long time (bspwm also has this issue tho) |
| 01:36:17 | <seanchapel[m]> | here is my config incase it's helpful https://seoushi.dynu.net/-/snippets/2 |
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| 03:27:03 | <geekosaur> | it's kinda meaningless to resize a tiled window without floating it. unless you want https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Layout-MouseResizableTile.html |
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| 03:28:24 | <geekosaur> | for the second one, I use Matrix sometimes and it doesn'[t seem to freeze for me. do you have a notification daemon of some kind running? a nice minimalistic one is dunst |
| 03:28:35 | <geekosaur> | seanchapel[m] ^^ |
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| 03:42:40 | <seanchapel[m]> | thanks. mouseresizabletile is what I want. I don't have a notif daemon running, I will try that and see if solves the issue. |
| 03:43:33 | <seanchapel[m]> | from what I can tell mouse and right click still floats a window by default. I just need to figure out how to override the mouse keybindings now... doing some research |
| 03:43:40 | <seanchapel[m]> | s/mouse/mod/ |
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| 09:50:01 | <thyriaen> | I just started up my pc and created 2 workspaces on my main monitor running independentScreens - then when i kept switching from workspace 1 and 2 - something really strange happened - xmonad switched the windows between workspace 1 and 2 between the monitors, however both workspaces "0_1" and "0_2" are supposed to "belong" to screen 1 |
| 09:50:24 | <thyriaen> | maybe it is of interest: i didn't have any windows on screen 2 nor did i click there once giving it focus |
| 09:50:43 | <thyriaen> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/tW5WjuR5 this is my xmonad.hs |
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| 10:31:37 | <thyriaen> | I have a two pane layout - how can i move a window from the left pane to the right pane and back ? |
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| 12:49:25 | <geekosaur> | thyriaen, you probably want to set up WindowNavigation to move windows between panes |
| 12:50:18 | <geekosaur> | as to the other, probably you were supposed to replace W.view with W.greedyView |
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| 13:43:01 | <thyriaen> | if you check my xmonad.sh |
| 13:43:08 | <thyriaen> | i already have greedyView geekosaur |
| 13:44:18 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I think I had that backwards. greedyView flips things so the ws you're focusing moves to the current monoitor. you want view |
| 13:44:20 | <thyriaen> | and i think i already did setup windowNavigatioin |
| 13:44:49 | <geekosaur> | then you want to use the bindings for `sendMessage (Move L)` etc. |
| 13:44:51 | <thyriaen> | ( but usually it works ) it flipped it only this morning |
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| 16:01:02 | <jabuxas> | I seem to be having a problem with a game on steam on xmonad, the game works perfectly on xfce and awesome (as far as I can tell, i'm testing on awesome rn and it is working), but on xmonad, the game launches and I can play, but, after 10-15 minutes the game and xmonad crashes and I'm forced to log out and log back in. |
| 16:01:22 | <jabuxas> | https://0x0.st/ogEh.txt xmonad config |
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| 16:11:05 | <geekosaur> | can you check your session log (usually ~/.xsession-errors but sddm uses ~/.local/share/sddm/xorg-session.log and startx will log to the original virtual console unless redirected) to see if any errors are logged from xmonad? |
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| 16:26:33 | <jabuxas> | https://0x0.st/og6v.txt |
| 16:27:39 | <jabuxas> | the game crashed right at startup. also the logs don't seem useful, maybe i'm not getting the right ones? |
| 16:27:53 | <jabuxas> | my whole xmonad turns unresponsive after this and i'm forced to log out and log back in |
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| 16:36:57 | <jabuxas> | should I try to go on awesome and see if those `Unknown property in AccoladeProgressId` happens there too? |
| 16:39:50 | <geekosaur> | you can check but that looks a little early |
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| 16:40:16 | <geekosaur> | also you appear to have DynamicLog configured somewhat oddly for modern xmonad; I'll have to check your config re that |
| 16:40:25 | <geekosaur> | but it's at least not going to block |
| 16:41:26 | <geekosaur> | it should not be possible for a user config to cause xmonad to crash, unless it's doing non-xmonad things. I didn't actually look at your config because I was more interested in any error logs, guess that's next |
| 16:44:14 | <jabuxas> | the game is crashing xmonad, idk how, I was thinking that maybe it's a core thing that my xmonad.hs is missing but i'm not sure |
| 16:47:59 | <geekosaur> | I don't see anything missing |
| 16:48:56 | <geekosaur> | I did see why there are DynamicLog outputs in your logfile… why do you have `logHook = dynamicLogWithPP . filterOutWsPP ["NSP"] $ def` ? |
| 16:49:26 | <geekosaur> | it won't affect the PPs that are actually used for output, it'll just spit stuff to xmonad's stdout |
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| 16:51:28 | <jabuxas> | I thought that was how I made NSP workspace (which is a scratchpad) gone from my bar. It doesn't actually work because that's probably implemented wrongly as you said, but I can take that off no problem |
| 16:51:29 | <geekosaur> | you would want to apply filterOutWsPP to myXmobarPP, not there |
| 16:52:02 | <geekosaur> | in any case it's not really doing anything aside from proving that your log is a log 🙂 |
| 16:52:23 | <geekosaur> | (that is, that it's capturing xmonad's output) |
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| 16:52:58 | <jabuxas> | oh yeah put it in myxmobarpp now works |
| 16:53:32 | <jabuxas> | my friend also seems to be crashing on kde, and i'm crashing on xmonad |
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| 16:53:55 | <jabuxas> | i'm not sure the relationship between that, as I can run fine on awesome and xfce (plus im on gentoo) and he's on arch |
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| 16:56:04 | <jabuxas> | I tried running xmonad on xfce but I couldn't get it working without dramastically changing my config, xmobar wasn't showing up, xfce panels were invisible, and 2nd monitor workspaces looked rather odd, I tried that because I thought that maybe it was missing something but as you said, it isn't so that is out of the way |
| 16:58:59 | <jabuxas> | I thought maybe the compositor (picom) was crashing the game but that would also not make sense since I run picom on xfce and awesome too (i tried without it just in case and it's the same) |
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| 18:08:35 | <jabuxas> | I seem to have figured it out, geekosaur. |
| 18:08:55 | <jabuxas> | I took DXVK_ASYNC off of my launch parameters and now, after 1 hour of gameplay, still no crashes. |
| 18:09:25 | <jabuxas> | what I would hope to know now is why that is a problem on xmonad and not on other things i've tested |
| 18:09:47 | <jabuxas> | i have no problem playing with that off so yeah problem kinda solved |
| 18:11:03 | <geekosaur> | possibly we don't initialize the video card when other things do, xmonad being minimal and DXVK appearing to be related to 3D drawing |
| 18:11:22 | <geekosaur> | so maybe there's something you can run at session startup |
| 18:12:23 | <geekosaur> | (alternately it's conceivable that the DXVK async code doesn't like borders much. we've seen that kind of thing before; nvidia drivers used to have horrible problems there) |
| 18:13:19 | <geekosaur> | which may mean it's not xmonad that's crashing but the X server. /var/log/Xorg.0.log usually |
| 18:13:33 | <geekosaur> | (a new server would be launched for the greeter) |
| 18:16:39 | <geekosaur> | hm, might have to hope it backs up the old log since the greeter's restart of the X server would overwrite it |
| 18:17:08 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I have /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old on my ubuntu |
| 18:17:41 | <geekosaur> | but you'd have to use a terminal session to grab it, logging in under X would replace it with the greeter server's log |
| 18:20:16 | <jabuxas> | if X crashed wouldn't my gui just dissapear automatically? |
| 18:21:15 | <jabuxas> | because when the game crashed, my cpu fans would go up and if I opened a terminal for example, my prompt wouldn't appear, my keyboard wouldn't really type anything, usually that's some I/O stuff |
| 18:22:43 | <jabuxas> | I do have https://0x0.st/oglx.txt , it *should* be from my last startX (when it crashed) |
| 18:23:03 | <geekosaur> | you should have mentioned that |
| 18:23:36 | <geekosaur> | in any case that's not an xmonad crash as such, *that* would have dumped you back to the greeter |
| 18:24:26 | <geekosaur> | so now I wonder if the game is spinning for some reason |
| 18:26:16 | <jabuxas> | my bad |
| 18:28:05 | <geekosaur> | I have a still-undiagnosed situation where something is eating all of my memory and OOMing, and xmonad disappears without a log message (strongly suggesting it's xmonad that is OOMing, but I can't see how) |
| 18:28:33 | <geekosaur> | but it leaves the rest of my session because I run xmonad under MATE so mate-session is still running |
| 18:29:12 | <geekosaur> | was wondering of that might be related, but unless you're running under a session manager xmonad OOMing would kill your session |
| 18:29:16 | <geekosaur> | *if that |
| 18:29:53 | <geekosaur> | might use top if you can get something to respond (already-open terminal?) to see what's spinning |
| 18:30:47 | <jabuxas> | yeah I'll remember to do that, i usually have a terminal open either way |
| 18:31:29 | <geekosaur> | but that again might require a session manager if xmonad is what's spinning, since it would presumably ignore switching focus in that situation |
| 18:32:34 | <jabuxas> | oh it does respond to focus |
| 18:32:41 | <geekosaur> | hm, I can open a terminal without requiring xmonad but if it were still running it'd have to manage it. so still wouldn't help |
| 18:32:45 | <geekosaur> | oh goood |
| 18:33:59 | <jabuxas> | by session manager do you mean a display manager like sddm or lightdm? |
| 18:34:20 | <geekosaur> | no, something like xfce4-session or mate-session |
| 18:34:32 | <geekosaur> | or even a minimal one like xsm |
| 18:34:45 | <jabuxas> | oh i dont have that |
| 18:35:31 | <jabuxas> | well even if it lost focus, i could still switch to a tty and do top there |
| 18:35:39 | <geekosaur> | I rely on that to get5 things running again if I manage to crash xmonad, since (1) my session keeps running (2) I can pop a terminal via the mate menu without a window manager being involved, and restart xmonad from there |
| 18:35:45 | <jabuxas> | now i am kinda hoping it crashes again so i can figure out what it culd be |
| 18:36:58 | <jabuxas> | with the way my config is now, if i were to use xmonad with a DE would I really need to change anything? |
| 18:37:23 | <jabuxas> | i looked at xmonad.config.xfce and it just does ewmh stuff, no? |
| 18:38:29 | <geekosaur> | also swaps mod-shift-q to the xfce logout dialog and mod-p (or maybe mod-shift-p) to its run dialog |
| 18:39:16 | <geekosaur> | xfce's one of the more minimal integrations; mate integration also includes some dbus stuff to tell the session manager that xmonad has started |
| 18:40:36 | <geekosaur> | if you did want to log some xmobar-like stuff under xfce, you'd either have to configure xmobar to display somewhere other than where xfce4-panel was or you'd have to build the xfce flavor of xmonad-log-applet and plumb it into your config manually because it uses dbus |
| 18:43:37 | <jabuxas> | my xfce panel is on the left of the screen and xmobar on top, but even like that both were invisible, no idea what happened. i might try it out at a later date if i have time |
| 18:43:44 | <jabuxas> | for now everything is working |
| 18:44:24 | <jabuxas> | ty again geekosaur |
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| 18:53:25 | <darkkaster> | I get this error when I start xorg https://termbin.com/omhg |
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| 19:02:44 | <geekosaur> | are you just runing xmonad at a terminal? |
| 19:03:04 | <geekosaur> | hm, no, that would be an openDisplay error |
| 19:04:04 | <geekosaur> | but we only use the required Atoms on startup, and should be creating e.g. the EWMH atoms as needed |
| 19:04:27 | <darkkaster> | i run xmonad using xinitrc but redirect the output to a text file |
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| 19:12:02 | <geekosaur> | X_ChangeProperty error… doesn't seem like we should be doing that |
| 19:12:31 | <geekosaur> | oh, WM_STATE. but if that atom's not defined (or its type isn't defined) there should be bigger problems than just xmonad failing |
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| 19:14:00 | <geekosaur> | sometimes I wish we used the standard error reporter, be nice to have a clue about where / when this was failing |
| 19:14:11 | <geekosaur> | then again xmonad should be continuing after this |
| 19:14:23 | <geekosaur> | because the error handler we use tries to recover |
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| 19:56:32 | <jabuxas> | is this normal? https://0x0.st/ogUD.png both xmobars consuming ~4% cpu |
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| 20:12:04 | geekosaur | has no clue |
| 20:18:12 | <jabuxas> | Solid, what do you think? |
| 20:19:10 | <geekosaur> | istr that liskin worked a bit on xmobar performance, but I don't know what current "normal" is |
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| 21:09:42 | <jabuxas> | hmm |
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| 21:51:20 | <mojowings[m]> | I have a system 76 laptop with integrated and nvidia graphics. I have used xmonad for years but my actual understanding of WM related things is sadly shallow so apologies for the potentially simple question. |
| 21:54:26 | <mojowings[m]> | * I have a system 76 laptop with integrated and nvidia graphics. I have used xmonad for years but my actual understanding of WM related things is sadly shallow so apologies for the potentially simple question. |
| 21:54:26 | <mojowings[m]> | When I set hybrid use of integrated and nvidia (or strict use of nvidia), starting xmonad with startx results in an entirely black screen where I am unable to open terminals. Xmonad is running and does not crash. If I restrict to integrated only, then I can use xmonad as expected. I am happy to investigate anything on my end to facilitate this, but I'm unsure where to start. |
| 21:55:50 | <mojowings[m]> | * I have a system 76 laptop with integrated and nvidia graphics. I have used xmonad for years but my actual understanding of WM related things is sadly shallow so apologies for the potentially simple question. |
| 21:55:50 | <mojowings[m]> | When I set hybrid use of integrated and nvidia (or strict use of nvidia), starting xmonad with startx (or via the login manager) results in an entirely black screen where I am unable to open terminals. Xmonad is running and does not crash. If I restrict to integrated only, then I can use xmonad as expected. I am happy to investigate anything on my end to facilitate this, but I'm unsure where to start. |
| 21:59:31 | <jabuxas> | what distro are you using and how are the drivers installed? |
| 22:00:35 | <mojowings[m]> | I am using pop!_os which handles these things for me. |
| 22:02:07 | <jabuxas> | oh yeah stupid question of me, totally forgot pop os is from system76 |
| 22:03:05 | <jabuxas> | do you have any other wm installed where you can try and launch to see if it works as expected? |
| 22:03:16 | <mojowings[m]> | * No worries! I am usually a debian or ubuntu user but pop os is based on ubuntu. Typically xmonad works fine for me on ubuntu so I was surprised by this. |
| 22:04:54 | <mojowings[m]> | ahhh no i dont. it does work in integrated only mode. i wish there was a straightforward way to debug this but it probably involves x11 understanding etc... |
| 22:15:09 | <geekosaur> | can you post your Xorg.0.log to a pastebin? |
| 22:15:13 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 22:15:13 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 22:15:35 | <geekosaur> | should be /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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