Logs on 2023-03-12 (liberachat/#xmonad)
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| 01:24:31 | <HB[m]> | Dude. I'm so tired of this thing every time it happens it costs me time and headache.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/66865f33b3d0b5e42ba3df4c33aab2a7534ac54f>) |
| 01:24:53 | <HB[m]> | * Dude. I'm so tired of this thing every time it happens it costs me time and headache.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a1220928eb1a7450c8607c809f6054e3fd1a8d74>) |
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| 01:29:26 | <HB[m]> | 20 fucking 23, and the state of Linux desktop is still absolutely fucking garbage.' |
| 01:29:31 | <HB[m]> | I'm so irrated and irritable and |
| 01:30:10 | <HB[m]> | Ugh. I hate everything right now. I want to cry and scream even. Fucking computers. I tell you what, man. I hate these goddamn things. |
| 01:30:29 | <HB[m]> | I would happily use Xmonad only X session, no problem, NOOOOOOOO problem at all. |
| 01:30:59 | <HB[m]> | But then KDE apps are not styled and no panels start and KDE services don't run so you can't use the desktoppy stuff. |
| 01:31:16 | <HB[m]> | Else you have to use Plasma session, with KDEWM=xmonad so it uses Xmonad as WM instead of fucking Kwinm |
| 01:31:36 | <HB[m]> | On top of all this goddamn dickery, fucking KDE assholes are like, fuck Xmonad people, we don't care. |
| 01:32:20 | <HB[m]> | They broke the damn panels. Now if you want to use Xmonad + KDe, I have to bloody patch plasmaframework source every time that package updates. |
| 01:32:20 | <HB[m]> | So I can't use a rolling distro at all. since that package is going to constantly get updated |
| 01:32:53 | <HB[m]> | The reason I use Ubuntu is beacuse I'm used to it and all that. I could use another distro but that's like so much work. |
| 01:33:06 | <HB[m]> | I am literally stuck in middle of two hells. |
| 01:33:24 | <HB[m]> | I can't stand GTK or gnome stuff. I just can't. |
| 01:33:57 | <HB[m]> | KDE is all I use. I mean. And that's incompatible with the one window manager that I can stand using, Xmonad. |
| 01:34:05 | <HB[m]> | So what do I do? I don't know. |
| 01:37:29 | <HB[m]> | OMG I am freaking out right now. 😮😬😯😲 |
| 01:37:51 | <HB[m]> | Breathe! Slow. |
| 02:37:11 | <mazte[m]> | Have you given NixOS a try? You might like their stable editions 🍄 HB 🌿: |
| 02:38:32 | <geekosaur> | I wonder, if you don't like gtk, maybe LXQt would be of interest? |
| 02:38:48 | <mazte[m]> | As I understand it, it's a KDE issue, but I think being able to roll back to a version of your software that worked while you fix the other and figure stuff is a much better experience, imo |
| 02:39:03 | <mazte[m]> | mazte[m]: This is in reply to my other comment, btw |
| 02:39:09 | <mazte[m]> | Element is weird |
| 02:40:06 | <mazte[m]> | BTW, the new nixos installer is actually quite nice. It just runs calamares in a graphical session. I got a few friends to switch over thanks to that |
| 03:01:24 | <HB[m]> | Yeah I'll play around with some stuff |
| 03:01:26 | <HB[m]> | Hopefully figure out a solution |
| 03:01:28 | <HB[m]> | How are you guys doing? |
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| 11:22:54 | <liskin> | HB[m]: I feel for you. I have a love/hate relationship with this specific autism symptom of fixating on something working in a certain way and then not being able to budge |
| 11:23:34 | <liskin> | The positive is that some fixations lead to learning a lot about one thing which is useful if someone is willing to pay money for that skill |
| 11:23:58 | <liskin> | But the time it takes away from me is often not worth it :-( |
| 11:24:36 | <liskin> | Yeah sure of course I want to manufacture my own laptop keyboard, thanks "the market". |
| 11:24:56 | <liskin> | (I managed to budge on that one though.) |
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| 12:07:05 | <Solid> | liskin: Don't you have one of those anniversary ThinkPads that still have a good-ish keyboard? |
| 12:10:14 | <Solid[m]> | (personally, I'm still waiting for the laptop that doesn't come with a comically large space bar, but I guess that's definitely hopeless) |
| 12:52:20 | <liskin> | Solid: yes but I also have P14s Gen 2 for work |
| 12:53:05 | <liskin> | And I actually like it. It's the best ThinkPad I've ever had. The keyboard is annoying but I managed to get used to it |
| 12:54:03 | <liskin> | (I also have a work M1 Mac but that keyboard and windowmanager is impossible to get used to, so I turned it into a "living room entertainment laptop" 🙂) |
| 12:54:59 | <liskin> | The fingerprint reader on the newer P14s works in Linux out of the box and the one on T25 still doesn't... |
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| 13:27:32 | <geekosaur> | interestingly, mine didn't work when I got it but an upgrade around a year ago made it work |
| 13:33:50 | <geekosaur> | sadly debian has decided that you can't do conditional things in PAM so there's no way to have the keyboard and fingerprint reader at the same time. (RH/fedora hacked up PAM to make it work a decade ago) |
| 13:35:15 | <liskin> | Yeah, logging in after my fingerprint changes, which it does almost every week, always takes like half a minute :-) |
| 16:11:31 | <HB[m]> | Good morning. Today is my birthday! |
| 16:12:11 | <HB[m]> | My desktop wallpaper background hasn't changed in over 12 years 😄 |
| 17:09:26 | <geekosaur> | since 2014, possibly earlier as I was running MATE for a while before I submitted X.C.Mate |
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| 18:15:06 | <liskin> | Yeah mine probably for longer |
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| 20:08:57 | <liskin> | Solid: good job with the blog post! Do we know what our plans for the future are? People might like to hear about those as well :-) |
| 20:10:30 | <liskin> | You did mention the nextbike ZuriHac and the core changes but it's not entirely clear that either of these need additional funding |
| 20:10:43 | <liskin> | (on my phone, being terse) |
| 20:16:04 | geekosaur | is pretty sure the main thing people want to hear is "Wayland support" |
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| 20:31:31 | <liskin> | The one thing that it'd be irresponsible to actually promise |
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