Logs on 2023-07-27 (liberachat/#xmonad)
| 00:00:07 | <liskin> | ChaoticMist[m]: the answer is probably "work" but it's difficult to avoid because bills and rent |
| 00:00:46 | <liskin> | Yeah I know it's technically possible to avoid all that it's just quite a bit far off my comfort zone now :-) |
| 00:01:12 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Understandable |
| 00:01:39 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Have you tried setting up your own business or something? |
| 00:01:43 | <liskin> | geekosaur: I'm sure it was later. I didn't get involved with xmonad until after I quit my job at the start of the pandemic, and that was 2020 |
| 00:03:09 | <liskin> | I think I tried something very vaguely resembling exploring whether freelance might be for me, ages ago, and concluded not. |
| 00:03:48 | <liskin> | Anyway, I need to sleep otherwise another work day will be even worse than it could be |
| 00:04:02 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Goodnight! |
| 00:04:25 | <liskin> | Thanks for caring and trying to come up with ideas! |
| 00:04:52 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | liskin: Don't mention it, we are here for everyone! |
| 00:05:17 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Just remember that you are not alone in this world |
| 00:09:09 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | <geekosaur> "and I'm fairly certain because I..." <- How are you doing now? Hope everything is better with the housing issue you used to have |
| 00:10:07 | <geekosaur[c]> | I got housing little over 2 years ago I'm doing okay now |
| 00:11:30 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Good to hear that! |
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| 00:13:59 | <geekosaur[c]> | Hm, voice typing on my watch butchered that a bit |
| 00:15:27 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | No worries ;) |
| 00:21:41 | <geekosaur[c]> | Anyway we're all a little broken around here, even if only situationally (mc47 got sandbagged by life) |
| 00:23:25 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | And that is just part of life I reckon, have yet to find someone who is completely happy in this world.. lol |
| 00:23:41 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | @absta:matrix.org did you manage to get picom working? |
| 00:23:41 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 00:23:45 | <absta[m]> | So here's my picom.conf:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b8b030e25a158e572eca6832e10910734cc4bba9>) |
| 00:24:12 | <absta[m]> | Could be a bit messy, as I am auto-generating it |
| 00:24:23 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | absta[m]: Nix? |
| 00:24:48 | <absta[m]> | No, programming & using my own settings manager program |
| 00:25:11 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Nix does all that :P |
| 00:26:10 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Did you try ~shadow = false~ ? |
| 00:26:21 | <absta[m]> | I am trying it now. |
| 00:31:18 | <absta[m]> | Turns out, shadow was not the culprit.. |
| 00:32:27 | <absta[m]> | corner-radius wasn't, either. |
| 00:32:29 | <geekosaur> | you verified it works without picom/pijulius? |
| 00:33:33 | <absta[m]> | It worked when I fed picom the option -bcCGf, but let me check again. |
| 00:33:35 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | geekosaur: did not notice that absta was using a picom fork.. mb |
| 00:34:19 | <absta[m]> | I am using this one: <https://github.com/yshui/picom> |
| 00:34:24 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Why not just use https://github.com/dccsillag/picom ? |
| 00:34:32 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | That picom fork is working fine for me |
| 00:34:46 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Can paste my config to for you to test if you want |
| 00:35:11 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | absta[m]: That is not a fork, that is the official package |
| 00:35:12 | <geekosaur> | mostly I was checking there in case you actually got stuck with an older xmonad that has a bug in the border color interpolation used by WindowNavigation that nukes the borders |
| 00:35:40 | <geekosaur> | (0.17.0) |
| 00:35:43 | <absta[m]> | Oh, because I just downloaded it from package manager. |
| 00:36:35 | <absta[m]> | My freeze file says any.xmonad ==0.17.2, so it is likely up to date |
| 00:38:44 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | That is indeed weird.. |
| 00:39:20 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Going to test your config brb |
| 00:39:52 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | It works fine?? |
| 00:40:19 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Seems to me like your config is not the culprit of this.. |
| 00:41:14 | <absta[m]> | picom -bcf --detect-rounded-corners -D 4 -I 0.02 -O 0.02 -e 0.8 works fine, it shows the xmonad's border. |
| 00:41:39 | <absta[m]> | But when I run picom with the previously specified configuration, it just doesn't. |
| 00:41:48 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | I only launched it with ~picom --config picom.conf~ |
| 00:42:35 | <absta[m]> | Is -b option unnecessary? |
| 00:42:55 | <geekosaur> | -b just puts it in the background. if you're using spawn then it's redundant |
| 00:43:31 | <absta[m]> | ..So it is equivalent as `picom <options> &`? Hmmm |
| 00:43:50 | <geekosaur> | the main difference is one you probably don't care about |
| 00:44:21 | <geekosaur> | (shells track background processes with `&`, so you wouldn't be able to close a terminal you ran `picom … &` in) |
| 00:44:53 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | I am running it as a systemd service |
| 00:44:56 | <absta[m]> | Yea, but I spawn the bash script to run this soo |
| 00:45:15 | <geekosaur> | it's not interactive so `-o monitor` won't be set |
| 00:45:38 | <absta[m]> | Perhaps it is a fault of glx backend? |
| 00:45:52 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | There is a new backend btw |
| 00:45:53 | <absta[m]> | Actually let me try minimal example. |
| 00:45:55 | <geekosaur> | I use glx backend here with no problems |
| 00:46:01 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | And IIRC it was supposed to replace glx |
| 00:46:26 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | egl backend iirc |
| 00:46:34 | <absta[m]> | My VM does not seem to support egl, and I like testing my configuration in VM first. |
| 00:47:14 | <geekosaur> | mrrr. have you tried this outside the VM? window borders rely on non-buggy display drivers… |
| 00:47:40 | <absta[m]> | Ohh, actually |
| 00:47:43 | <absta[m]> | Let me try that. |
| 00:47:44 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | I don't even see a reason for using a VM for picom |
| 00:48:06 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | You can easily kill the process without having xmonad die on you |
| 00:48:16 | <geekosaur> | if anything I expect VM display drivers to meltdown with compositing |
| 00:48:26 | <geekosaur> | and especially with compositing via opengl |
| 00:49:04 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Nix is wonderful for this tbh! If it goes south, revert to older generation |
| 00:50:02 | <absta[m]> | I had to switch to xrender backend since picom leaks memory as hell on VM.. |
| 00:53:11 | <absta[m]> | RIP |
| 00:53:15 | <absta[m]> | It works on real hardware.. |
| 00:54:02 | <absta[m]> | But I am experiencing a weird flickering issue. |
| 00:54:59 | <absta[m]> | I suspect the borders |
| 00:55:05 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | because? |
| 00:55:19 | <absta[m]> | The flicker has the color of border. |
| 00:55:41 | <absta[m]> | That is, white and red on the place with border |
| 00:55:46 | <absta[m]> | Black on the place without. |
| 00:56:32 | <geekosaur> | odd |
| 00:56:36 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | What does picom tell you when you run it from the terminal? |
| 00:57:11 | <absta[m]> | Well just running picom gives [ 07/27/2023 09:56:53.351 session_init FATAL ERROR ] Another composite manager is already running obviously. |
| 00:57:25 | <absta[m]> | Or.. could you elaborate? |
| 00:57:45 | <absta[m]> | Actually let me try enabling vsync |
| 00:57:47 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Kill the running picom and run a new one from terminal |
| 00:58:46 | <geekosaur> | also note if the border flickering stops when you kill it… |
| 00:59:01 | <absta[m]> | It stops, indeed |
| 00:59:38 | <geekosaur> | weird |
| 01:00:47 | <geekosaur> | do you have --use-ewmh-active-win ? |
| 01:00:50 | <absta[m]> | Launched picom from terminal with just --backend glx. Flickering does not occur as well. |
| 01:01:37 | <absta[m]> | Yes I have --use-ewmh-active-win in my config file. |
| 01:02:10 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | hmmm |
| 01:02:18 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Does it complain about something? |
| 01:02:34 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | If not, try enabling disabling stuff and see what triggers it |
| 01:03:06 | <absta[m]> | It complains a lot, yep |
| 01:03:22 | <absta[m]> | Things like [ 07/27/2023 10:03:06.610 glx_bind_pixmap ERROR ] Failed to query info of pixmap 0x012006d2. |
| 01:03:34 | <absta[m]> | Or Xlib: ignoring invalid extension event 161 |
| 01:04:07 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | I wonder if picom itself is behind this.. |
| 01:04:35 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Haven't used latest (master) since I switched to this fork. Because of this, I cannot tell for sure.. |
| 01:06:07 | <absta[m]> | Currently, I am using picom version 9.1 |
| 01:06:13 | <absta[m]> | So.. not the latest either. |
| 01:07:25 | absta[m] | sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/7d1ec4242d29675ec9d614d71af9f24f52b51452 |
| 01:07:34 | <absta[m]> | This part is the problem, it starts flickering when I added this. |
| 01:08:03 | <absta[m]> | And without that part, it does not flicker |
| 01:08:37 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Try disabling the shadow |
| 01:08:56 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/compton.conf#L27-L33 fwiw |
| 01:09:10 | <geekosaur> | (using with picom as shipped with ubuntu 22.04) |
| 01:09:21 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | woah |
| 01:09:23 | <absta[m]> | Pinpointed the culprit:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6ea56eada8fd3fda0759beb9beab1734e1bbf595>) |
| 01:09:47 | <absta[m]> | Idk what is wrong with tooltip.. |
| 01:10:00 | <absta[m]> | Let me remove tooltip shadow. |
| 01:11:09 | <absta[m]> | What is picom doing with tooltip shadow? It was the problem! |
| 01:11:20 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | absta[m]: I KNEW IT!! |
| 01:11:28 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Don't know the reason though :P |
| 01:12:24 | <absta[m]> | Yeah, it's weird |
| 01:16:37 | <absta[m]> | What is "_NET_WM_STATE@:a *= '_NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN'" for? |
| 01:17:12 | <geekosaur[c]> | Matches EWMH fullscreen windows |
| 01:18:22 | <absta[m]> | Ah, so removes shadowing effect when fullscreeen. |
| 01:18:40 | <absta[m]> | Can I make the xmonad border thicker? It is not easily visible on the round corners |
| 01:18:46 | <geekosaur[c]> | I don't want a fullscreen window to get dimmed when it loses focus |
| 01:19:23 | <geekosaur[c]> | Set `borderWidth` in your config |
| 01:19:56 | <absta[m]> | I see, thank you! |
| 01:21:13 | <geekosaur[c]> | You can see mine on GitHub (same repo as the `compton.conf`) where I set it to 2 |
| 01:23:57 | <absta[m]> | Hmm, it seems to me that interaction between the xmonad borders and picom shadow is quite glitchy |
| 01:24:48 | <geekosaur[c]> | I've never found it so |
| 01:25:09 | <geekosaur[c]> | But I don't use rounded borders |
| 01:26:10 | <absta[m]> | I do not want to use rounded borders on tiled windows. |
| 01:26:15 | <absta[m]> | Is there a way for this? |
| 01:28:30 | <geekosaur[c]> | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NYOZwkrd |
| 01:28:48 | <geekosaur[c]> | Damn what is this thing doing |
| 01:29:21 | <absta[m]> | Snippet..? |
| 01:29:38 | <absta[m]> | Sad that I cannot detect tiling |
| 01:29:43 | <geekosaur[c]> | I don't know why it insisted on sending it that way |
| 01:31:27 | <absta[m]> | So IRC bridge did that.. huh. |
| 01:31:46 | <geekosaur[c]> | Might be possible to use a hack involving TagWindows since that sets a window property you can test the same way that FULLSCREEN thing does |
| 01:32:40 | <geekosaur[c]> | Set a tag on non-floating windows in the `manageHook` |
| 01:33:16 | <geekosaur[c]> | There's a matcher `willFloat` |
| 01:34:04 | <absta[m]> | Thanks a lot! |
| 01:34:14 | <geekosaur[c]> | `fmap not willFloat --> liftX …` |
| 01:34:27 | <geekosaur[c]> | Will have to look up the rest |
| 01:36:43 | <geekosaur[c]> | The bridge didn't, the client on my phone kept sending me to a "text snippet" screen |
| 01:41:31 | <geekosaur> | `fmap not willFloat --> ask >>= liftX addTag >> idHook` |
| 01:41:54 | <geekosaur> | `import XMonad.Actions.TagWindows` |
| 01:41:58 | <absta[m]> | Ahh |
| 01:42:01 | <geekosaur> | sorry, forgot the actual tag |
| 01:42:13 | <geekosaur> | `fmap not willFloat --> ask >>= liftX (addTag "tiled") >> idHook` |
| 01:43:06 | absta[m] | sent a hs code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a864a402018a28a2dc5209000ac23613f5b5e60b |
| 01:45:50 | <geekosaur> | then you can use `_XMONAD_TAGS@:s *= "tiled"` in `picom.conf` |
| 01:46:52 | <geekosaur> | the second one won't be useful, if you need to update it after floating/tiling then you need code in `logHook` because `manageHook` won't be rerun |
| 01:48:34 | <absta[m]> | Oh, I see. Hm let me check |
| 01:49:09 | <absta[m]> | xprop is not showing the properties. Isn't ManageHook apply actions from front to back? |
| 01:50:16 | <geekosaur> | if you only did mod-q then existing windows won't go through the manageHook, only new ones |
| 01:51:24 | <absta[m]> | What is the order ManageHook apply the hooks? Front-to-back, or back-to-front? |
| 01:51:32 | <absta[m]> | Moving it to front seem to make it work. |
| 01:52:08 | <geekosaur> | back to front, since it's actually functions composed with (.) which is right associative |
| 01:52:43 | <absta[m]> | Oh. |
| 01:52:49 | <absta[m]> | I've been doing so many things wrong.. |
| 01:55:19 | <absta[m]> | Hmm this is a bit confusing though. The WindowSet modification will run back to front, while the actions would be run front-to-back. |
| 01:55:41 | <geekosaur> | yes, it's rather confusing |
| 01:55:57 | <[Leary]> | "welcome to xmonad" |
| 01:56:03 | <geekosaur> | 🙂 |
| 01:56:25 | <absta[m]> | Should I be rid of of xmonad /j |
| 01:57:16 | <absta[m]> | I am so confused. Should I put this tagging action in the front (first), or in the back (last)? |
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| 01:58:03 | <absta[m]> | Now floating windows are also reported as tiled.. |
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| 01:59:42 | <geekosaur> | how many windows to you explicitly float? `willFloat` only matches the windows that xmonad will automatically float, not ones you float in the manageHook |
| 02:01:45 | <absta[m]> | Hmm, quite a bit. |
| 02:02:30 | <geekosaur> | you may need to use composeOne from X.H.ManageHelpers to keep the willFloat rule from firing if another rule matches |
| 02:02:31 | <absta[m]> | Does xmonad automatically float some windows? |
| 02:02:41 | <geekosaur> | any window with a fixed size |
| 02:03:36 | <geekosaur> | it's getting late for me… |
| 02:05:19 | <absta[m]> | Good night! |
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| 02:24:22 | <absta[m]> | This is quite complex, perhaps I would do it later. Thanks a lot, everyone! |
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| 06:14:33 | <Solid> | why is github alerting me to CVEs from 6 years ago? |
| 06:14:38 | <Solid> | 🙃 |
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| 07:22:07 | raghavgururajan | is now known as Guest8948 |
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| 07:32:41 | <Solid> | ChaoticMist[m]: I might be able to look at that PR on the weekend (no promises though) |
| 07:32:54 | <Solid> | it's true that it has been around for way too long at this point |
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| 19:00:55 | <geekosaur> | wheee, multihour power failure and the generator didn't come on so no backup power either |
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| 19:17:39 | <geekosaur[c]> | Aaaaand the network has gone out now |
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