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21:36:44 <Profpatsch> Leary: the SideBorder type is not exported, I’m becoming the joker
21:38:38 <geekosaur> does it need to be? I thought sideBorder (note case) was a smart constructor; that's the usual convention for layouts, since many of them store state in the actual constructor
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21:40:20 <Profpatsch> {-# OPTIONS_GHC -Wno-missing-signatures #-}
21:40:49 <Profpatsch> fwiw GHC should disallow exporting a function without all its types being exposed
21:40:55 <Profpatsch> not talking about constructors ofcs
21:42:12 <Profpatsch> okay, I don’t know why I spent so much time trying to get xmonad to be configurable on the command line again X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)
21:42:29 <geekosaur> that means you're already running a window manager
21:42:37 <Profpatsch> what does that even mean
21:42:41 <geekosaur> yes, the error message is terrible
21:43:02 <Profpatsch> it’s running inside of lightdm
21:43:19 <geekosaur> and you expected that to work?
21:43:20 <Profpatsch> is that a window manager?
21:43:47 <Profpatsch> I thought it gives over control to xmonad but maybe it doesn’t? idk
21:44:17 <Profpatsch> maybe I didn’t use lightdm the last time I did the whole xmonad --replace
21:47:18 <geekosaur> Wait, no, was on my way out and misread
21:48:06 <geekosaur> It does sound like lightdm ran a different window manager
21:48:45 <Profpatsch> is that error message generated by the running xmonad?
21:48:51 <Profpatsch> or by something else?
21:49:43 <geekosaur> Anyway xmonad is a very minimal program and doesn't wrap X11 errors, so you get a bad error for "sorry, another window manager is running"
21:50:38 <geekosaur> It means xmonad tried to select window manager events and failed
21:52:23 <geekosaur> XSelectInput(root window, SubstructureRedirectMask), roughly
21:54:26 <geekosaur> (sorry, was typing on my phone while downstairs waiting for a package)
21:54:53 <geekosaur> X11 doesn't have a specific error for "another window manager is running", it reuses the one for "that's someone else's graphic context"
21:55:05 <Profpatsch> and that other window manager can’t be xmonad?
21:55:27 <geekosaur> and because X11 is asynchronous, xmonad doesn't receive that error until several operations after it attempts to select window manager events
21:55:29 <Profpatsch> Like if I run `xmonad --replace` that’s a different binary no?
21:55:40 <Profpatsch> how would it be the same thing
21:56:01 <Profpatsch> is there a magic window manager name that is used to dispatch?
21:56:31 <Profpatsch> geekosaur: thanks for the explanation btw, I’m kinda lost here :)
21:57:00 <geekosaur> no. "--replace" means attempt to use the WM handover protocol (grab the WM_S0 selection, which should cause the former holder to exit)
21:57:20 <geekosaur> there's a ticket to make that default behavior, but it relies on the other window manager supporting the protocol
21:57:45 <geekosaur> and, notably, xmonad doesn't support it itself unless started with --replace, which is a kinda stupid bug we've never fixed
21:57:57 <geekosaur> I suppose I shoudl haul that ticket out and fix it at some point
21:58:32 <Profpatsch> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
21:58:35 <Profpatsch> that’s the problem!
21:58:37 <Profpatsch> I see
21:58:50 <Profpatsch> I haven’t configured my xmonad to do that
22:04:49 <Profpatsch> currentWmSnOwner <- xGetSelectionOwner dpy wmSnAtom
22:04:50 <Profpatsch> when (currentWmSnOwner /= 0) $ do
22:04:54 <Profpatsch> I see, that’s only in `replace`
22:05:10 <Profpatsch> so if `launch` is called on its own it won’t register the handler
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