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| 16:07:56 | <OftenFaded> | Hi xmodudes! Anyone know if the default help message can be configured at all? The font is much smol for my aged marbles |
| 16:08:38 | <OftenFaded> | It looks like a default xterm window almost, but idr installing xterm explicitly |
| 16:13:18 | <geekosaur> | it's actually xmessage unless you've overridden it |
| 16:14:05 | <geekosaur> | you can set the XMONAD_XMESSAGE environment variable to override it, or use .Xresources to change the default font |
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| 16:44:13 | <OftenFaded> | I see, I guess it's being overriden somehow, because adding `export XMONAD_XMESSAGE="xmessage -fn 'Noto Sans:size=14'"` to my zshrc is having no effect |
| 16:46:03 | <OftenFaded> | Wait, would it be problematic if I don't have any .Xresources? |
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| 19:46:48 | <yaslam> | That must be what the lookupEnv "XMONAD_XMESSAGE" part is for, I didn't know either lol. I just replaced the entire function but setting a variable is easier |
| 19:48:28 | <yaslam> | In https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/fa8f34596d9eda581b398b1152d7d45f592ebb2f/src/XMonad/Core.hs#L463 |
| 19:49:15 | <geekosaur> | unless you use startx or are on a fedora derivative, setting things in your shell dotfiles won't affect X11 startup or xmonad |
| 19:50:46 | <geekosaur> | yoou don't require .Xresources, older X11 programs will use defaults if it doesn't exist. if it does, you can override those programs' behavior; see their manpages |
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| 21:15:40 | <OftenFaded> | If I'd like to learn how to set env variables in xmonad, where should I try first? The manual and websearch have no mentions |
| 21:26:22 | <Leary> | OftenFaded: It shouldn't be anything specific to xmonad; it's a matter of setting vars for your /session/ (login shell?) rather than for each terminal (interactive shell?). Typically you would set them in `~/.profile`, but that doesn't work on every system either. If you give up on finding the right way, you can fall back on <https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.21.0.0/docs/System-Environment.html#v:setEnv>. |
| 21:31:54 | <geekosaur> | on debian-likes including ubuntu, you drop a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d (there is no per-user equivalent). See https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/hilfy-2023/10profile for an example |
| 21:32:33 | <geekosaur> | and yes, if necessary you can use `setEnv` before calling the `xmonad` function in your `main` |
| 21:34:25 | <OftenFaded> | you need an import for that setEnv line right? I think I broke something trying that... |
| 21:35:37 | <OftenFaded> | Well, I think I broke a few somethings trying to figure it out lol |
| 21:35:47 | <OftenFaded> | I'm just trying to get a help message to spawn at all now |
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| 22:02:17 | <geekosaur> | import System.Environment |
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| 22:23:06 | <OftenFaded> | I'm getting more confused by the minute. adding a setEnv line halts the spawning of the help message somehow, but removing the line doesn't restore functionality somehow... |
| 22:24:39 | <OftenFaded> | running `xmessage 'test'` gets me a `Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion` Is this a usual warning to be ignored? |
| 22:27:44 | <geekosaur> | means the font is missing (misc-fixed old-style font) |
| 22:56:52 | <OftenFaded> | yuup, and it's going to stay missing, because I have my help message back folks! |
| 23:00:00 | <OftenFaded> | Thank you all for the help. I'm prolly just going to squint for awhile--I learned that it is very easy to break a lot of different xmonad things when adjusting fonts--muchly complicated lol |
| 23:01:23 | <geekosaur> | XMessage*font won't break anything but xmessage's font 🙂 |
| 23:02:14 | <geekosaur> | I do suggest using xfontsel to pick a font |
| 23:06:37 | <geekosaur> | maybe somewhere in the braave new xft world there is a similar tool |
| 23:08:23 | <OftenFaded> | tru, but once the font is misconfigured the help message won't spawn at all, and I still don't know how I was able to restore it |
| 23:08:38 | <OftenFaded> | but the trial and error was great and many |
| 23:09:19 | <OftenFaded> | I will cautiously try this xfontsel tho |
| 23:10:24 | <geekosaur> | it won't change anything, it just lets you pick a font by its long X11 name, with dropdowns for the various name components, and shows you the resulting font |
| 23:11:03 | <geekosaur> | if you want to use it, you have to copy the XLFD name and paste it somewhere (usually ~/.Xresources) |
| 23:11:27 | <OftenFaded> | and ofc it shows me what ants read like my help message XD |
| 23:11:59 | <geekosaur> | thta porbably means the only X11-style font on your system is some flyspeck thing 🙂 |
| 23:12:24 | <geekosaur> | installing more is a distro question |
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