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2020-12-15 18:12:55	<geekosaur>	this at least needs to be documented better that you need to precreate those, or we need to swap the defaults if we find xmonad.hs in an XDG location
2020-12-15 18:13:43	<jamik>	Yeah good idea Solid, I'll create that now
2020-12-15 18:17:12	<Solid>	geekosaur: What would a good default behaviour look like? Check for the XMONAD_ variables and if they are not set; look for xmonad.hs in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/xmonad and throw everything in there?
2020-12-15 18:17:14	<jamik>	Isn't it sufficient to use any set XDG variables when they are set, otherwise use the default locations (e.g. in my case putting xmonad.errors in .local/share instead of ~/.xmonad, because $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/xmonad was found but $XDG_DATA_DIR was unset)
2020-12-15 18:17:48	<jamik>	$XDG_DATA_HOME***
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2020-12-15 18:20:27	<Solid>	jamik: the problem is that it tries putting them in ~/.local/share/xmonad
2020-12-15 18:21:10	<Solid>	so it checks for XDG_WHATEVER_{HOME,DIR} and if that doesn't exist of course uses a standard path, but always appends the xmonad dir to that
2020-12-15 18:21:33	<Solid>	at this point I feel like the split overcomplicates things and using the config dir is probably sufficient
2020-12-15 18:22:04	<Solid>	but I'm not sure how backwards compatible such a change would be
2020-12-15 18:22:40	<jamik>	I see. Well I can't comment on the pros/cons of the split because I haven't wrote any plugins for xmonad, but I'm inclined to agree with you
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2020-12-15 18:31:53	<geekosaur>	at one point we did just that, but it violates XDG to put it all in the same place like that. I'm not sure when the current setup showed up though
2020-12-15 18:34:34	<Solid>	mh I see
2020-12-15 18:34:44	<Solid>	so probably no hope of ever seeing this changed? :/
2020-12-15 18:35:43	<geekosaur>	probably not, which is why I recommended the other way which would fix it without breaking things for others
2020-12-15 18:36:28	<geekosaur>	in fact it occurs to me that we should just determine all these dirs up front and stuff them in XConf (not XConfig), then change the function calls that use them to just look them up instead of doing a search each time
2020-12-15 18:37:23	<geekosaur>	which both makes it easier to set the defaults based on where we found xmonad.hs, and should speed up anything else using them (not that that should be a major performance issue unless some extension is being really stupid)
2020-12-15 18:37:42	<jamik>	up front meaning upon xmonad startup? Sounds sensible to me
2020-12-15 18:37:46	<geekosaur>	yes
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2020-12-15 18:59:41	<Solid>	geekosaur: just to be clear I'm understanding you correctly: 1. see if xmonad.hs is in $XMONAD_CONFIG_DIR > ~/.xmonad > $XDG_CONFIG_HOME 2. according to the selection in 1., use XMONAD_ env variables > use xdg_ > use ~/.xmonad 3. put these three dirs into XConf, so `recompile` can simply read them from there instead of determining them every time
2020-12-15 19:00:26	<geekosaur>	yes. and other consumers, e.g. Prompt's history file
2020-12-15 19:01:03	<geekosaur>	and there's at least one layout that reads stuff from a file when a workspace is made current (not TopicSpaces but something similar)
2020-12-15 19:01:22	<Solid>	ah yeah, change all of these as well of course
2020-12-15 19:01:36	<Solid>	okay I'll create an issue in xmonad/xmonad to have that there
2020-12-15 19:02:23	<geekosaur>	you'l see all those functions are together and do pretty much the same thing with different default dirs, and do it whenever called instead of remembering the result
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2020-12-15 19:07:48	<Solid>	yeah, that part of the code always struck me as a bit weird
2020-12-15 19:10:45	<geekosaur>	hm, actually stuffing thta into XConf won't work for the biggest use case: recompiling xmonad, which is before XConf exists. sigh
2020-12-15 19:11:09	<geekosaur>	at least, the possible-recomp on startup
2020-12-15 19:12:36	<geekosaur>	can't even compute them early and use them late because there's an exec() hopefully in between
2020-12-15 19:13:21	<geekosaur>	so we end up computing them twice ayway. but we'd at lest avoid them getting different answers, as with the case that set this whole thing off
2020-12-15 19:15:02	<Solid>	ah yeah you're right
2020-12-15 19:15:47	<Solid>	I think computing them twice is not big deal, it's not computationally intensive after all
2020-12-15 19:15:53	<Solid>	*not a
2020-12-15 19:16:05	<Solid>	still probably the best solution that maintains backwards compatability
2020-12-15 19:22:20	<Solid>	okay I've created an issue
2020-12-15 19:26:34	<geekosaur>	blugg
2020-12-15 19:28:09	<geekosaur>	I guess we could just have recompile always recompute them, but that's most of the use they get so it kinda makes caching the result mostly pointless.
2020-12-15 19:28:58	<geekosaur>	but then that brings back the original problem that we want to determine defaults based on where we found xmonad.hs, not which dirs exist, so we want to compute all of them at once when we have all that information together
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2020-12-15 19:31:43	<Solid>	I mean we could compute them once in `xmonad` and then awkwardly thread them through to `buildLaunch` and these kinds of functions
2020-12-15 19:31:57	<Solid>	but that's a pretty "meh" solution
2020-12-15 19:32:25	<geekosaur>	you also have to thread them across an executeFile sometimes (usually, if there's a compiled config or one can be built)
2020-12-15 19:32:59	<geekosaur>	which i why "compute twice" and why the first one doesn't have the XConf until it has failed to find or build a compiled config
2020-12-15 19:46:46	<Solid>	ah I think I understand what you mean now
2020-12-15 19:47:10	<Solid>	this seems reasonably straightforward still (said he, before having attempted to write any code)
2020-12-15 19:53:21	<geekosaur>	it's straightforward,, just annoying
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2020-12-16 01:19:15	<Liskni_si>	Solid: btw there was another person yesterday complaining in #xmonad:matrix.org about xmonad leaving the state file around, I feel like it can be related to these directory issues
2020-12-16 01:19:23	<Liskni_si>	or maybe they have an old version or something
2020-12-16 01:20:08	<Liskni_si>	(I've been fighting systemd all day so only skimmed the discussion here)
2020-12-16 01:21:01	<Liskni_si>	but I managed to have compton managed by it in multiple X sessions!
2020-12-16 01:21:59	<Liskni_si>	and in the process found that picom 8.2 is noticeable slower than compton 7.4, and found a bug in bash that I need to report :-)
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