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2020-12-22 08:10:39 <RaderH2O> Okay , still black screen
2020-12-22 08:11:16 <RaderH2O> idk why , doing `xmonad --recompile` wouldn't give any errors at all , and the `~/.xmonad/xmonad.errors` is blank too
2020-12-22 08:11:54 <RaderH2O> I have to kill the session with `loginctl` every time , so I get back to my normal session
2020-12-22 08:12:09 <RaderH2O> If XMonad is not gonna work , idk if I'm gonna stick with i3 or no
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2020-12-22 17:09:48 <ectospasm> Uh, by default XMonad has a blank screen. You could probably do mod+shift+q to exit out of XMonad. But they left so they won't see these words of wisdom.
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2020-12-22 17:44:27 <benley> you have to admit, xmonad doesn't have the friendliest new user experience, what with the default black screen and all
2020-12-22 17:52:51 <dminuoso> benley: Do you have a proposal what it should have instead?
2020-12-22 17:52:55 <ectospasm> it just means someone didn't read or understand the documentation.
2020-12-22 17:53:18 <dminuoso> I mean we could have a welcome screen on the first time it starts..
2020-12-22 17:53:24 <ectospasm> It's been so long since I first used XMonad, that I don't remember if I asked about it, too.
2020-12-22 17:53:37 <dminuoso> Is i3 any different with that regard?
2020-12-22 17:53:44 <ectospasm> I had a coworker encourage me to use it.
2020-12-22 17:54:10 dminuoso just uses xmonad since he's a full time haskell developer anyway - it made sense to use a fully programmable WM inside his comfort zone
2020-12-22 17:54:31 <ectospasm> heh, I don't understand Haskell well enough
2020-12-22 17:54:50 <ectospasm> I don't use it regularly, so i have to relearn just enough to get something working.
2020-12-22 17:55:16 <ectospasm> The last time that happened, it was a lot less painful than I was expecting.
2020-12-22 17:55:35 <dminuoso> Yeah, my setup is a bit more elaborate than just setting default options.. :-)
2020-12-22 17:55:40 dminuoso treats xmonad as a WM library
2020-12-22 17:55:41 <ectospasm> But granted, I wasn't trying to do anything fancy. Just set up the default gridselect
2020-12-22 17:57:49 <dminuoso> ectospasm: At times I really do wonder how non-Haskellers get by.
2020-12-22 17:58:06 <dminuoso> But it seems xmonad-contrib is plug-and-play enough without much Haskell
2020-12-22 17:59:08 <ectospasm> dimestop: here's my xmonad.hs that I've developed over the last 10-12 years: https://git.eldon.me/trey/XMonad
2020-12-22 17:59:32 <ectospasm> I've got too much blood, sweat, and tears built into it to ever go anywhere else.
2020-12-22 18:00:03 <ectospasm> Don't be too critical of that config, most of it was done trying to get certain things working.
2020-12-22 18:00:47 <dminuoso> Nothing to be critical about, if it works for you it works for you.
2020-12-22 18:00:59 <dminuoso> If you're not in my Haskell team, I have no reason to critize you for it. :)
2020-12-22 18:16:29 <ectospasm> I just like that if xmonad compiles, it won't crash. Getting it to compile is the hard part.
2020-12-22 18:40:59 <benley> dminuoso: oops sorry for starting that and then getting distracted - I think I would propose something pretty minimal, like if you start xmonad without a config it pops up a xmessage or xterm showing a "welcome to xmonad, here's a link to the documentation and the default keybindings..." message
2020-12-22 18:41:36 <benley> Even as someone who has run xmonad on and off for ~10 years, I still find myself confused by the blank screen on new installs from time to time.
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2020-12-22 19:23:42 <benley> also I definitely mean this as constructive feedback, not a complaint. Xmonad's great, it was my onramp to learning Haskell in general.
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2020-12-22 19:25:11 <geekosaur> we do already have mod-shift-slash (mod-?) which puts up a help screen. I could see us putting that up on the first time xmonad is run, perhaps
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2020-12-22 19:27:23 <benley> That would be quite helpful! Pretty much anything at all other than a blank screen would be better for first-time users, imho.
2020-12-22 19:45:32 <vrs> blank screen with an xmonad logo in the lower right
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2020-12-22 20:00:37 <benley> I've been somewhat tempted to bring something like taffybar or xmobar inside my xmonad config, even though it's probably a terrible idea for stability and sanity
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2020-12-22 20:01:37 <ectospasm> why is that a terrible idea? I use dzen2 in a few places.
2020-12-22 20:03:29 <benley> oh I mean running them inside the xmonad process
2020-12-22 20:04:09 <ectospasm> Well, they will be child processes of xmonad, the way I have it configured.
2020-12-22 20:04:52 <benley> Aye, that is sensible. I was just thinking like, xmobar and taffybar are already in haskell, what if I used one of them as a library instead of a subprocess?
2020-12-22 20:05:08 <ADG1089__> why does it say that "xmonad not found in path"? it's in both zshrc & bashrc
2020-12-22 20:05:10 <benley> But I'm not sure if there is a good reason to do it
2020-12-22 20:05:14 <geekosaur> running them inside won't work well as long as xmonad uses X11's event loop instead of its own
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