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2021-05-27 07:56:07 × oxide quits (~lambda@user/oxide) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2021-05-27 07:56:11 <kakuhen> I see
2021-05-27 07:56:12 <joel135> It would be cool to implement an actual category called Hask in agda somehow, and then somehow use it to talk to a haskell process.
2021-05-27 07:56:42 <kakuhen> My interpretation of Bauer's argument was mostly "with the current handwavy definition, we can't even check off all the axioms of a category, and the following proposed solutions still have issues."
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2021-05-27 07:58:23 <joel135> Perhaps one could cook up an adjunction between Hask and Set or something.
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2021-05-27 07:59:01 <dminuoso> kakuhen: No, its not that we cant prove it, it's that nobody has defined it.
2021-05-27 08:00:13 <dminuoso> kakuhen: If you dont specify what `f x = g x` even means, you cant check whether its correct.
2021-05-27 08:00:50 <kakuhen> right, nobody has defined Hask so that it *is* a category
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2021-05-27 08:01:53 <kakuhen> in any case, i'm very very new to haskell and i've read some things that have turned out to be false :<
2021-05-27 08:02:06 <kakuhen> i'm assuming my next disappoint will be the fact that functors in haskell don't behave in any way like functors in math do.
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2021-05-27 08:02:55 <dminuoso> kakuhen: To be fair, one should at the same time also consider https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/jeremy.gibbons/publications/fast+loose.pdf
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2021-05-27 08:03:43 <joel135> I think Hask is a category to the same extent that you can do Euclidean category freehand.
2021-05-27 08:03:54 <dminuoso> In this lose handwaving notion, you usually pretend that seq does not exist, and that your program terminates.
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2021-05-27 08:04:25 <joel135> It is hard to draw circles.
2021-05-27 08:04:58 <joel135> The sheet of paper is bounded.
2021-05-27 08:05:03 <kakuhen> let me try it a few hundred times with my compass !
2021-05-27 08:05:10 <dminuoso> kakuhen: And in fact, folks like edwardk seem to pull a lot of weight from applying category theory to Haskell.
2021-05-27 08:05:32 <dminuoso> So clearly it is useful to some degree.
2021-05-27 08:05:33 <kakuhen> dminuoso: i appreciate the 2nd paper, but a lot of it goes over my head sadly.
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2021-05-27 08:06:53 <joel135> s/category/geometry/ xD
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2021-05-27 08:07:11 <kakuhen> We already have cartesian closure, why not define euclidean closure :3c
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2021-05-27 08:37:28 <tdammers> bottoms are inevitable in a turing-complete language, aren't they
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2021-05-27 09:05:02 <dminuoso> /home/dminuoso/wobcom/projects/freyja/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.8.4/freyja-0.4.0.0/l/freyja-lib/noopt/build/freyja-lib/libHSfreyja-0.4.0.0-inplace-freyja-lib.a(IPUtils.o)(.text..LruUS_info+0x14): error: undefined reference to 'ipzm1zi7zi3zm4668157351bfd065b5138d0033c408000ad61c3db5993a261c8759c634d1374e_NetziIPv4_range_closure'
2021-05-27 09:05:08 <dminuoso> Linker errors! Do I get a prize?
2021-05-27 09:06:16 <dminuoso> Not bad, nuking dist-newstyle helped.
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