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| 2021-05-13 03:58:14 | <cmburnett> | I'm reading through the haskell standard- I'm sorry if this a stupid question but as someone coming from C/C++ (mainly C), module in effect is similar to namespace right? Please go easy on me :-D |
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| 2021-05-13 04:03:20 | <monochrom> | module is both namespace and import/export-control. On actual compilers, is furthermore file organization --- one file per module, though the standard doesn't require it. |
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| 2021-05-13 04:04:57 | <monochrom> | C and C++ have no modules. You will never find a correct analogy there. |
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| 2021-05-13 04:07:04 | <monochrom> | The way real people organize their *.c files has a correspondence to modules, but it is by self discipline not language requirements. |
| 2021-05-13 04:08:16 | <pavonia> | Wait, you could have several Haskell modules in one file? |
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| 2021-05-13 04:08:43 | <monochrom> | Haskell 2010 (or 98, or 1.4, or ...) makes no commitment either way. |
| 2021-05-13 04:08:49 | <monochrom> | No compiler has allowed it yet. |
| 2021-05-13 04:09:10 | <monochrom> | But one day some mad scientist might. |
| 2021-05-13 04:09:15 | <pavonia> | Ah okay |
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| 2021-05-13 04:10:08 | <monochrom> | If mad scientists can invent whitespace languages, |
| 2021-05-13 04:10:26 | <monochrom> | then mad scientists can invent Haskell compilers that allow multiple modules per file |
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| 2021-05-13 04:10:56 | <monochrom> | and perhaps finally also support mutual importing without user intervention too. |
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| 2021-05-13 04:17:24 | <qbshill> | >whitespace languages |
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| 2021-05-13 04:17:44 | <qbshill> | are those hard to make? is it not the same as any other language but now with whitespaces? im not actually familiar with bf |
| 2021-05-13 04:18:41 | <monochrom> | I don't know about hard. |
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| 2021-05-13 04:19:03 | <monochrom> | I know about mad scientists having no life and making things no one actually use in anger. |
| 2021-05-13 04:19:31 | <davean> | qbshill: no, just whitespace |
| 2021-05-13 04:20:03 | <qbshill> | lol ah that makes sense, ty |
| 2021-05-13 04:20:19 | <qbshill> | but then again whats the fun in making things people actually use |
| 2021-05-13 04:23:55 | <davean> | Users are the worst |
| 2021-05-13 04:24:02 | <cmburnett> | bf languages? sorry my computer wigged out and had to restart |
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| 2021-05-13 04:26:20 | <qbshill> | sorry i was thinking of whitespace, not brianf***, i thought it was implied writing a whitespace character only language was hard so i was curious |
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| 2021-05-13 04:27:56 | <cmburnett> | as in... only using space, tab, and newline instead of letters? I imagine it'd be pretty rough |
| 2021-05-13 04:29:43 | <qbshill> | yeah... lol... it'd be pretty tough but then at the same time I feel like actually making the language itself wouldn't be so bad, maybe you need to add new rules to whatever linter you're using |
| 2021-05-13 04:32:21 | <qbshill> | I'd imagine debugging will be a massive nightmare though. I'm kind of intrigued though but I should probably learn asm first |
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| 2021-05-13 04:36:26 | <cmburnett> | I mean it'd basically be like programming in binary so probably not fun |
| 2021-05-13 04:36:36 | <cmburnett> | trinary i guess if you include newlines |
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| 2021-05-13 04:36:57 | <Axman6> | ternary |
| 2021-05-13 04:37:30 | <Axman6> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 for your reference |
| 2021-05-13 04:38:12 | <cmburnett> | ah yes sorry bad at english |
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| 2021-05-13 04:38:18 | <cmburnett> | I mean it's my first language |
| 2021-05-13 04:38:23 | <cmburnett> | I'm just bad at it |
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| 2021-05-13 04:39:30 | <Axman6> | all good, it's a logical extension of binary, you're far freom being the first person to do it |
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| 2021-05-13 04:39:55 | <Axman6> | wait, Whitespace was invented by Edwin Brady??? crazy |
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| 2021-05-13 04:44:17 | <erayo> | I know you can get runtime statistics about the GC in GHC.Stats, is there a way to get additional metrics from the RTS ? I'd be really interested in active lightweight thread count, specifically |
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