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2021-04-15 15:55:59 <geekosaur> you can't in the general case because workspaces only exist within the window manager and apps aren't aware of them
2021-04-15 15:57:00 <geekosaur> in certain specific circumstances there are tricks that can work, but commanding a running backend to open a new window can't ever work because the app doesn;'t know it has to somehow determine the current workspace and put the window there, or even how to go about that\
2021-04-15 15:57:49 <lampilelo> hmm, makes sense unfortunately
2021-04-15 16:03:06 <geekosaur> (for an app just being started that obeys EWMH there is XMonad.Actions.SpawnOn.spawnHere, but it will only work for the first window spawned and that only if it's not backend/factory-based or the backend doesn't fork itself)
2021-04-15 16:09:03 <lampilelo> can't i put something to manageHook that would check if the new window belongs to a process that has other windows in a certain workspace? mpv is a subprocess of a shell which in turn is a subprocess of my terminal emulator
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2021-04-15 16:27:54 <geekosaur> X11 does not know "subprocess". or even "process" except via EWMH properties, and even that is iffy
2021-04-15 16:28:10 <geekosaur> your terminal, for example, is completely unknown to X11
2021-04-15 16:28:26 <geekosaur> including that it does not know that a window is "hosting" it
2021-04-15 16:35:43 <lampilelo> ok, so it's iffy but if it sets the ewmh pid property (and it seems my terminal emulator does) it's possible
2021-04-15 16:40:05 <geekosaur> "possible" but possibly expensive. and don't spread windows across workspaces (including monitors) or you'll confuse it
2021-04-15 16:44:51 <lampilelo> what do you mean by spreading windows across workspaces?
2021-04-15 16:52:06 <geekosaur> don't have some mpv windows in one workspace and some in another, or it won't know which to use. the single backend will have windows open on both. and I'm not sure you can check what workspace a window is on, only change it, hm
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2021-04-15 17:03:51 <lampilelo> idk, i don't think i'm motivated enough to try and implement this myself either way
2021-04-15 17:05:40 <geekosaur> one sting in that tail (sorry, I'm kinda busy this week and not always able to attend to the computer) is different monitors means different workspaces in xmonad. which breaks the few programs that are aware of workspaces because EWMH assumes they span monitors instead
2021-04-15 17:16:28 <lampilelo> interesting
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2021-04-16 03:09:22 <oogeek> Hi everyone, I think that the link of INSTALL.md on https://github.com/slotThe/xmonad/blob/new-tutorial/tutorial.md breaks again.
2021-04-16 03:09:32 <oogeek> Return 404
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2021-04-16 04:59:51 <ilmu> is there some env var that I can set so that xmonad respects xdg and puts the config in .config/xmonad?
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2021-04-16 05:41:59 <Solid> ilmu: xmonad should do this properly on the latest master, but there are also $XMONAD_CACHE_DIR, $XMONAD_CONFIG_DIR, and $XMONAD_DATA_DIR for you to set
2021-04-16 05:43:38 <Solid> ?tell oogeek it breaks because it links to the xmonad/xmonad repo's INSTALL.md (which doesn't exists as the branch is not merged yet)
2021-04-16 05:43:39 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
2021-04-16 05:43:48 <Solid> oh you're still here
2021-04-16 05:43:53 <Solid> in that case don't mind lambdabot :)
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2021-04-16 06:39:37 <ilmu> Solid: thanks, maybe I was a bit lazy should have cloned and grepped
2021-04-16 06:41:55 <Solid> :)
2021-04-16 06:42:06 <Solid> I think it should also be mentioned in the manpage
2021-04-16 06:46:46 <oogeek> Have anyone tries the statusBarHandleConfig from X.H.DynamicLog ?
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2021-04-16 06:47:27 <oogeek> I tried it with two monitors and had xmonad frozen.
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2021-04-16 06:54:46 <Solid> that function doesn't exist for me
2021-04-16 06:54:55 <Solid> you should probably pull in a more recent version of master
2021-04-16 06:56:10 <oogeek> I am currently using git version of xmonad-contrib
2021-04-16 06:57:07 <Solid> well when's the last time you `git pull`ed? :)
2021-04-16 06:57:43 <Solid> oops, gotta fly
2021-04-16 06:59:41 <oogeek> let me do a check then
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2021-04-16 07:07:02 <oogeek> I found out that I didn't use latest git version after finished digging into a bug.
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