Logs: freenode/#xmonad
| 2021-03-18 16:23:43 | <geekosaur> | that said, if you're into eye candy then xscreensaver is eye candy: the screensaver |
| 2021-03-18 16:23:49 | <Solid> | :D |
| 2021-03-18 16:24:27 | <Solid> | I do use slock myself but I was wary of imposing my preferences onto the tutorial (not that I was particularly successful with that, though) |
| 2021-03-18 16:26:12 | <geekosaur> | nothing wrong with providing multiple examples |
| 2021-03-18 16:26:22 | <fizzie> | (`xss-lock -l -- xsecurelock` is my norm, but I think that's probably in the minority.) |
| 2021-03-18 16:31:05 | <Liskni_si> | I have no idea how slock works internally but most linux screensavers have a history of unlocking themselves whenever you let your kids/cat near the computer, so I'd vote for xsecurelock if we want to recommend anything particular |
| 2021-03-18 16:31:42 | <Solid> | It's really just used as a way to introduce keybindings and the like |
| 2021-03-18 16:31:48 | <Liskni_si> | jwz is very vocal about xscreensaver being better than the others, but I'm somewhat convinced it's not |
| 2021-03-18 16:31:57 | <Solid> | so we can also just drop it in favour of another commonly used application |
| 2021-03-18 16:34:12 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: slock itself is like 500 lines, so probably very auditable; though I don't think anyone has done that yet |
| 2021-03-18 16:34:56 | <geekosaur> | slock's had some pretty infamous failures already |
| 2021-03-18 16:35:04 | <Solid> | hah, nice |
| 2021-03-18 16:35:17 | <geekosaur> | like, it used to give up and pretend to lock if anything had an active grab when it was run |
| 2021-03-18 16:36:41 | <geekosaur> | also xscreensaver should be pretty auditable, since the saver modules are all external programs run by a small core |
| 2021-03-18 16:38:31 | <geekosaur> | whether it's "better" than the others is open to question, but it's reasonably battle-tested and jwz generally knows his stuff |
| 2021-03-18 16:39:02 | <Liskni_si> | auditable is great in theory but history tells us that running the password entry in the main locker process will sooner or later lead to someone managing to crash it |
| 2021-03-18 16:39:07 | <geekosaur> | as for unlocking when you let kids/cat near your computer, how much of that is self-inflicted? I see too many people who use lousy passwords "because they get in the way" |
| 2021-03-18 16:39:36 | <Liskni_si> | I'm fairly certain my faulty keyboard didn't type my password |
| 2021-03-18 16:39:45 | <Liskni_si> | it just crashed the xscreensaver password entry |
| 2021-03-18 16:40:44 | <geekosaur> | wow. jwz should know better than that |
| 2021-03-18 16:40:58 | <Liskni_si> | it could be a dep or something |
| 2021-03-18 16:41:26 | <Liskni_si> | I never got to actually trying to reproduce it, as the lenovo technician took the faulty hardware away |
| 2021-03-18 16:41:45 | <Liskni_si> | so I'd have to spin up a VM a try all sorts of stuff and hope I stumble upon something |
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| 2021-03-18 17:13:18 | <mc47> | Would someone set the labels here? https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/482 |
| 2021-03-18 17:13:31 | <mc47> | Most importantly: the good first issue label :D |
| 2021-03-18 17:14:50 | <mc47> | which I just realized we don't have lol (we have good-first-bug) |
| 2021-03-18 17:15:50 | <geekosaur> | yeh, which is what I settled on |
| 2021-03-18 17:17:15 | <mc47> | which wouldn't quite work because that's an actual feature |
| 2021-03-18 17:17:18 | <mc47> | oh well, good enough |
| 2021-03-18 17:17:53 | <geekosaur> | we also don't have a proper entry at level 9 (needs: implementation :) |
| 2021-03-18 17:18:19 | <Liskni_si> | geekosaur: what about adding mc47 to contributors so that he can add the labels himself? :-) |
| 2021-03-18 17:20:49 | <geekosaur> | let's see if I can figure out how to do that… :) |
| 2021-03-18 17:21:42 | <geekosaur> | found it |
| 2021-03-18 17:23:13 | <mc47> | awesome! Thanks |
| 2021-03-18 17:23:50 | <Guest40> | what distro you guys use? |
| 2021-03-18 17:23:58 | <Guest40> | with + xmonad |
| 2021-03-18 17:24:42 | <mc47> | I'm using manjaro, and using xmonad together with KDE |
| 2021-03-18 17:24:54 | <geekosaur> | ubuntu focal, xmonad + mate |
| 2021-03-18 17:25:05 | <Liskni_si> | debian here |
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| 2021-03-18 17:49:31 | <qbit2821> | how does KDE work together with xmonad? I keep going back and forth between the two :) |
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| 2021-03-18 17:56:36 | <Guest62> | Liskni_si stable? |
| 2021-03-18 17:56:40 | <Guest62> | debian stable? |
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| 2021-03-18 17:58:19 | <mc47> | qbit2821 I have an xmonad.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions/, where I set Exec=env KDEWM=/home/yecinem/.xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-linux /usr/bin/startplasma-x11 |
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| 2021-03-18 17:59:45 | <mc47> | I also have a small function to hide/show this file $HOME/.config/autostart/org.kde.plasmashell.desktop to prevent plasmashell from starting |
| 2021-03-18 18:00:17 | <mc47> | it's all very brittle though, didn't have the time (or patience) to touch it once it was working |
| 2021-03-18 18:00:33 | <qbit2821> | mc47 alright, thanks. I'll probably try it out after my exams this week. Would love to get it working |
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| 2021-03-18 18:03:00 | <everythingTaken> | why no one use nixos here? |
| 2021-03-18 18:03:07 | <everythingTaken> | seems like a good fit for xmonad? |
| 2021-03-18 18:04:07 | <Solid> | people probably do |
| 2021-03-18 18:04:12 | <Solid> | nix is quite popular with haskell people |
| 2021-03-18 18:04:26 | <Solid> | I have a machine that I play around with that has nix on it, though my heart still lies with void |
| 2021-03-18 18:04:31 | <everythingTaken> | hey Solid, wassup |
| 2021-03-18 18:04:41 | <Solid> | hai hai |
| 2021-03-18 18:04:54 | <Solid> | everythingTaken: try the new tutorial and tell me what you think :D |
| 2021-03-18 18:05:14 | <Solid> | ( https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/278 ) |
| 2021-03-18 18:05:16 | <everythingTaken> | I tried NixOs remember me? we talked in void channel |
| 2021-03-18 18:05:23 | <Solid> | oooh yes |
| 2021-03-18 18:05:37 | <Solid> | small world :) |
| 2021-03-18 18:07:44 | <mc47> | everythingTaken tbh I haven't had time to play around with my setup much, it was a miracle that it worked |
| 2021-03-18 18:07:46 | <everythingTaken> | wow, very comprehensive, can I read it in text format instead of git commit before it's merged? |
| 2021-03-18 18:07:48 | <mc47> | I'll probably give it a go |
| 2021-03-18 18:08:06 | <everythingTaken> | mc47: mine worked too except one thing: firefox |
| 2021-03-18 18:08:25 | <everythingTaken> | there's an issue opened in nixpkgs back in dec 2020 still open |
| 2021-03-18 18:08:35 | <everythingTaken> | it freezes momentariliy |
| 2021-03-18 18:08:37 | <mc47> | everythingTaken here's the formatted tutorial https://github.com/slotThe/xmonad/blob/new-tutorial/tutorial.md |
| 2021-03-18 18:09:28 | <Solid> | mc47: the modules not linking is very strange indeed |
| 2021-03-18 18:09:40 | <Solid> | pandoc can do it, so it has to be how github interprets the document |
| 2021-03-18 18:09:46 | <Solid> | :/ |
| 2021-03-18 18:10:35 | <everythingTaken> | mc47: Solid I am by no means complete beginner with XMonad, but this is really nice! But what I liked about it, it explains what $ and other things are, which before I simply copy pasted from someone elses config |
| 2021-03-18 18:10:52 | <geekosaur> | size limit on []? |
| 2021-03-18 18:11:20 | <everythingTaken> | Solid: do you happen to have firefox on your nixos machine? |
| 2021-03-18 18:11:46 | <Solid> | everythingTaken: I do yes |
| 2021-03-18 18:15:28 | <everythingTaken> | Solid: so, I installed nixos, it's glorious. I mean configuration.nix + home manager all I need for setup. Some abstract magic goes behind the scenes and complicates things a bit, while in general Void/Arch everything almost transparent/understandable/straight customizable. It's all good until Firefox has problems where it momentarily freezes https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/106018 I tried |
| 2021-03-18 18:15:30 | <everythingTaken> | their IRC + Discord and issue is still open in github. I would love to go back to it if I can fix it. Sorry to post this on #xmonad |
| 2021-03-18 18:16:13 | <Solid> | huh interesting |
| 2021-03-18 18:16:23 | <Solid> | never had this happen to me :o |
| 2021-03-18 18:17:00 | <everythingTaken> | Solid: maybe you didn't notice, can you check going to preferences and scrolling up and down if the machine is in hand reach |
| 2021-03-18 18:17:42 | <Solid> | everythingTaken: I currently don't have access to that machine, but once I do I'll test this asap and ?tell you |
| 2021-03-18 18:17:51 | <everythingTaken> | THanks man |
| 2021-03-18 18:20:00 | <everythingTaken> | In one hand NixOs feels very robust, on the other hand messy (?) |
| 2021-03-18 18:21:21 | <everythingTaken> | I like Debian too, but packages in stable is just so outdated and arch/void is probably better than debian testing/sid |
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