Logs: freenode/#xmonad
| 2021-01-21 17:41:29 | <ttmx> | w |
| 2021-01-21 17:41:41 | <ttmx> | what the fuck is this behaviour, am I doing something wrong? |
| 2021-01-21 17:42:37 | <geekosaur> | is this with git? the whole legacy vs. XDG directories thing is being reworked |
| 2021-01-21 17:43:14 | <Solid> | I think they are not using git, no |
| 2021-01-21 17:43:47 | <ttmx> | I'm not using git for this no. |
| 2021-01-21 17:44:08 | <ttmx> | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/058ef6e087d4c43d0ccccde60dc70da2/image.png |
| 2021-01-21 17:44:16 | <ttmx> | I recompiled between these two commands... |
| 2021-01-21 17:44:20 | <Solid> | if there are not errors and ~/.xmonad doesn't exist, it *should* work |
| 2021-01-21 17:44:21 | <ttmx> | It remakes that folder |
| 2021-01-21 17:44:37 | <Solid> | can you delete ~/.xmonad and do `xmonad --recompile' in a terminal? |
| 2021-01-21 17:44:42 | <ttmx> | It literally creates the .xmonad folder |
| 2021-01-21 17:44:51 | <Solid> | (and yes, if you do want to use git, this whole mess has been fixed there ;) |
| 2021-01-21 17:45:18 | <ttmx> | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/e2a08079f651363d5c970e82bd358069/image.png |
| 2021-01-21 17:49:10 | <ttmx> | And by what I see there is no way to get a dynamic systray that adjusts its size depending on how many icons it has? |
| 2021-01-21 17:50:50 | <geekosaur> | not without using a fancier status bar like lxpanel (which iirc can be run standalone) |
| 2021-01-21 17:51:01 | <ttmx> | Pain |
| 2021-01-21 17:51:12 | <Solid> | taffybar may also be able to do it since it's gtk3 |
| 2021-01-21 17:51:36 | <mc47> | I mean, you could always make it bigger than you need and blend it with the status bar :) |
| 2021-01-21 17:51:37 | <ttmx> | man, i3's bar is great, I just want a turbosimple systray |
| 2021-01-21 17:52:02 | <ttmx> | But thats all overcomplicated stuff, gtk3 for literally 3 clicky icons? |
| 2021-01-21 17:52:19 | <ttmx> | Well yes, but I don't want to make it bigger than I need xD |
| 2021-01-21 17:52:41 | <ttmx> | Has no one made a plugin for a systray? goddamn |
| 2021-01-21 17:53:03 | <geekosaur> | they're not simple, sadly |
| 2021-01-21 17:53:44 | <mc47> | in stalonetray, there is something about gravity which might be what you're looking for |
| 2021-01-21 17:53:47 | <mc47> | didn't test it though |
| 2021-01-21 17:54:00 | <ttmx> | gravity seems to just be where icons gravitate towards |
| 2021-01-21 17:54:08 | <ttmx> | as in where they try to align themselves to |
| 2021-01-21 17:54:26 | <mc47> | oh right, my bad |
| 2021-01-21 17:54:58 | <ttmx> | But yes, how does i3 bar do it then? It uses barely zero resources |
| 2021-01-21 17:55:19 | <ttmx> | This is kind of a dealbreaker for me aaaaaaaaaaa pain |
| 2021-01-21 17:55:50 | <ttmx> | I was really excited to try out xmonad for a while, but I use those icons a bunch |
| 2021-01-21 17:56:08 | <mc47> | I mean, how many icons are there? |
| 2021-01-21 17:56:20 | <ttmx> | And I am very specific with my alignments, it destroys my brain when there are little inconsistencies like that. |
| 2021-01-21 17:56:30 | <ttmx> | I have from 0 to 5 |
| 2021-01-21 17:57:00 | <ttmx> | Its kinda dumb I'm aware, I'm not sure either why it bothers me so much. |
| 2021-01-21 17:57:13 | <mc47> | I have also something similar, the way I do it is that i blend it into xmobar so you don't know where the systray stops and xmobar starts |
| 2021-01-21 17:57:40 | <mc47> | it's not, those things bother me too... if I'm spending +8 hours a day looking at something, it needs to be perfect |
| 2021-01-21 17:58:01 | <ttmx> | Well yes, the issue is that it will still have "blank" space there. |
| 2021-01-21 17:58:16 | <ttmx> | Not necessarely #FFFFFF but unused space there |
| 2021-01-21 17:59:04 | <mc47> | Yeah true, I have the systray in my bottom status bar with the window name, so it's mostly empty space |
| 2021-01-21 17:59:46 | <ttmx> | Got it, I like it in the top right |
| 2021-01-21 17:59:57 | <ttmx> | Lemme swap over to i3 and I'll continue the convo xD |
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| 2021-01-21 18:00:58 | <ttmx> | The i3bar is faster to startup aswell :)))))))))))))) |
| 2021-01-21 18:01:08 | <ttmx> | I hadn't even realized that before |
| 2021-01-21 18:01:29 | <mc47> | I guess it's because xmonad always recompiles at startup |
| 2021-01-21 18:03:10 | <ttmx> | I really like the concept of xmonad, but... No systray? cmooon |
| 2021-01-21 18:03:23 | <ttmx> | Also, funky behaviour with .config :( |
| 2021-01-21 18:03:30 | <geekosaur> | xmonad shouldn't always recompile at startup |
| 2021-01-21 18:03:50 | <ttmx> | I'll give it another eventually, but for now I'm happy with i3 |
| 2021-01-21 18:04:04 | <ttmx> | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a36ce21395c0fe4ae3e69282b112e014/image.png |
| 2021-01-21 18:04:41 | <mc47> | ttmx i3 is great, I really like how simple it is |
| 2021-01-21 18:04:50 | <ttmx> | It 'just werks' |
| 2021-01-21 18:04:58 | <ttmx> | And it doesn't feel bloated at all. |
| 2021-01-21 18:05:13 | <ttmx> | My startup ram usage is 160 mb I think? |
| 2021-01-21 18:05:16 | <mc47> | geekosaur huh, I thought it always did.. even if I have a custom build file? |
| 2021-01-21 18:05:37 | <ttmx> | There are some issues with i3, but I can kinda deal with em |
| 2021-01-21 18:05:53 | <geekosaur> | it may with a custom build file, because there's no way to guess what the build file would need to do to rebuild |
| 2021-01-21 18:06:13 | <mc47> | ttmx yeah, but the fact that you write code to customize xmonad, and the fact that that code is Haskell, did it for me :D |
| 2021-01-21 18:06:23 | <geekosaur> | and having a check target in the build file means running it twice when the second one would basically repeat the first in many cases |
| 2021-01-21 18:06:47 | <ttmx> | Well yes, turing complete config files are cool |
| 2021-01-21 18:07:05 | <ttmx> | But if that config takes 3 months to write a proper systray its a little too much for me |
| 2021-01-21 18:07:10 | <mc47> | geekosaur that might explain why my startup is kinda slow.. I'm using a stack based build |
| 2021-01-21 18:07:52 | <ttmx> | I mean, I use dmenu and even have a patch I made on suckless's website, but I wouldn't spend more than 2 days on something like that. |
| 2021-01-21 18:11:05 | <ttmx> | Would it be stretching it too much to ask someone to email me if xmobar ever gets a systray? |
| 2021-01-21 18:11:16 | <ttmx> | Is it even planned to have one? I'm guessing not |
| 2021-01-21 18:12:44 | <mc47> | I also guess not |
| 2021-01-21 18:13:26 | <mc47> | most tiling WMs don't too https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comparison_of_tiling_window_managers |
| 2021-01-21 18:14:16 | <ttmx> | But... Why? |
| 2021-01-21 18:14:36 | <mc47> | I guess it's not really minimal, and it seems like a lot of work |
| 2021-01-21 18:14:37 | <ttmx> | Its such a crappy thing to try to implement outside of the main status bar |
| 2021-01-21 18:15:47 | <ttmx> | I feel like a systray is kinda basic functionality, no? Maybe I'm the only one who uses it? |
| 2021-01-21 18:16:23 | <mc47> | I mean I'm used to it, but I can totally imagine people not using it |
| 2021-01-21 18:18:25 | <ttmx> | I feel like the cost/benefit is justified. Its extremely awkward to implement outside of the bar itself, and the cost of having it is not too high. |
| 2021-01-21 18:18:29 | <ttmx> | (according to i3) |
| 2021-01-21 18:20:16 | <mc47> | I have no idea tbh |
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| 2021-01-21 18:23:34 | <fizzie> | Just to add a data point, I haven't had a systray for the last couple of years, and haven't really been missing it. (Before that, I was using a dzen2 + stalonetray sharing one edge, which was a little awkward but working.) |
| 2021-01-21 18:25:15 | <fizzie> | I'm sure there are less minimal bars though. Taffybar got some attention at some point (in terms of # of mentions in here), and has a built-in tray. |
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| 2021-01-21 18:43:32 | <Solid> | I can only speak for myself as well, but I wouldn't even know what to use a systray for |
| 2021-01-21 18:45:27 | <geekosaur> | I have 10 icons in my systray, but then I use xmonad as wm for MATE |
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| 2021-01-21 19:03:03 | Liskni_si | does use a systray, trayer on top of xmobar, but that xmobar is left aligned so there's no need to bother with complicated resizing stuff |
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