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2020-12-07 20:18:52 <dminuoso> No, windowed application, sorry.
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2020-12-07 20:19:38 <dminuoso> In particular I have this issue with slack, where sometimes I get this "focus fight" that drives my CPU and me crazy. So Im trying to understand the protocol used how Slack can force X11 to gain focus on a particular dialog
2020-12-07 20:20:07 <dminuoso> I have an urgency hook, but that one doesn't put the window on active, I have it wired to just trigger a notify-send.
2020-12-07 20:21:10 <geekosaur> oh, that's different again. it sends _WM_NET_FOCUS to the root window with its own window ID as payload. browsers do this too (in fact slack is almost certainly a browser window)
2020-12-07 20:22:00 <geekosaur> browsers like to do this kind f fight and a change was just pushed to git which causes xmonad to ignore external focus change requests by default because of it
2020-12-07 20:22:34 <geekosaur> sorry _NET_WM_FOCUS I think. can look it up precisely if needed but it's a client message
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2020-12-07 20:26:25 <dminuoso> _NET_WM_STATE_FOCUSED possibly?
2020-12-07 20:27:49 <ybenel> fellas , i'm trying to add a scratchpad item of moc but i'm having issue spawning it back instead of opening another window .
2020-12-07 20:27:52 <dminuoso> I'd be interested in what was changed in xmonad then, because if I can suppress this behavior, it would give me some peace.
2020-12-07 20:28:35 <ybenel> WM_NAME And WM_ICON_NAME Keeps Changing Making It Difficult to spawn back
2020-12-07 20:28:40 <ybenel> spawnMocp = myTerminal ++ " -n mocp -e 'mocp'"
2020-12-07 20:28:40 <ybenel> findMocp = (stringProperty "WM_COMMAND" =? "{ 'xterm', '-n', 'mocp', '-e', 'mocp' }")
2020-12-07 20:28:51 <geekosaur> actually it's https://specifications.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/latest/ar01s03.html#idm45131921765200
2020-12-07 20:28:51 <ybenel> i tried WM_COMMAND seems didn't work as well
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2020-12-07 20:29:25 <geekosaur> WM_COMMAND is only guaranteed to be set in response to WM_SAVE_YOURSELF i.e. the ancient session manager protocol
2020-12-07 20:30:11 <dminuoso> Ah, so Slack would send _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW to the root window, and if the window manager then respected that request, the focus would change?
2020-12-07 20:30:47 <dminuoso> Oh, I didnt seem to read it until the end
2020-12-07 20:30:50 <geekosaur> ybenel, you want appName if you're using -n or -name
2020-12-07 20:30:50 <dminuoso> Depending on the information provided with the message, the Window Manager may decide to refuse the request (either completely ignore it, or e.g. use _NET_WM_STATE_DEMANDS_ATTENTION).
2020-12-07 20:31:24 <ybenel> geekosaur: yeah i already tried that but moc keeps updating the class names
2020-12-07 20:32:18 <geekosaur> what? while running in the terminal it's updating the terminal's WM_CLASS? that sounds unlikely and grounds for ICCCM smackdown
2020-12-07 20:32:30 <ybenel> WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = "MOC [play] - Oliver Schories - Molero (Relatively Definately)"
2020-12-07 20:32:41 <ybenel> instead of sticking to MOC
2020-12-07 20:33:08 <geekosaur> why do you believe WM_ICON_NAME is appName?
2020-12-07 20:33:17 <ybenel> WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = "MOC [stop]"
2020-12-07 20:33:19 <ybenel> no
2020-12-07 20:33:28 <ybenel> WM_NAME
2020-12-07 20:33:35 <ybenel> is the same as WM_ICON_NAME
2020-12-07 20:33:49 <ybenel> both are changing with the same values
2020-12-07 20:34:04 <geekosaur> you used xterm -n, it set WMCNAME, it set WM_CLASS string 0, it set WM_ICON_NAME. of those, wm_CLASS string 0 is the fixed reliable one
2020-12-07 20:34:23 <geekosaur> or use -name and it just sets WM_CLASS string 0
2020-12-07 20:35:22 <ybenel> yes i know , but moc keeps changing WM_NAME And WM_ICON_NAME
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2020-12-07 20:35:37 <ybenel> and Xterm sets WM_CLASS To Xterm
2020-12-07 20:36:05 <ybenel> i used -class it changed the class to whatever i choose but the window kinda messed up
2020-12-07 20:36:33 <geekosaur> you are still ignoring -name
2020-12-07 20:37:18 <ybenel> i used both -n and -name, but Moc keeps changing their values
2020-12-07 20:37:31 <geekosaur> sigh
2020-12-07 20:38:17 <geekosaur> WM_CLASS contains two strings. one xmonad calls appName; it is set by -n and by -name. the other xmonad calls className; it is set by -class
2020-12-07 20:38:34 <ybenel> yes
2020-12-07 20:38:36 <geekosaur> WM_CLASS is the one you care about. Not WM_NAME. Not WM_ICON_NAME
2020-12-07 20:38:50 <ybenel> -class messed up the font
2020-12-07 20:38:56 <ybenel> it uses the default font
2020-12-07 20:39:09 <ybenel> not the one through Xresources
2020-12-07 20:39:12 <geekosaur> and you care specifically about the first string, which is set by -n abd by -name and which xmonad calls appName
2020-12-07 20:40:45 <geekosaur> and you want to match it with appName, not with a stringProperty call
2020-12-07 20:41:08 <ybenel> here's how -class makes the window
2020-12-07 20:41:12 <ybenel> https://0x0.st/ihSh.png
2020-12-07 20:41:20 <ybenel> regulary https://0x0.st/ihSF.png
2020-12-07 20:41:40 <geekosaur> nobody whatsoever is telliing you to use -class
2020-12-07 20:42:15 <ybenel> what do u suggest
2020-12-07 20:42:28 <geekosaur> I already suggested it. you've been ignoring it.
2020-12-07 20:42:53 <geekosaur> you run: xterm -name mocp -e mocp
2020-12-07 20:43:32 <ybenel> but WM_CLASS Is Always Xterm,xterm
2020-12-07 20:43:34 <geekosaur> your matcher is: findMocp = appName =? "mocp"
2020-12-07 20:43:47 <ybenel> ahhhh
2020-12-07 20:43:55 <geekosaur> not if you used -name correctly
2020-12-07 20:44:15 <ybenel> alright, i'll test it brb
2020-12-07 20:44:48 <Liskni_si> dminuoso: my draft pull request lets you just mark the browser/Slack window as urgent when it tries to steal focus
2020-12-07 20:45:05 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: Can you give me a pointer to that pull request?
2020-12-07 20:45:27 <Liskni_si> dminuoso: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/399
2020-12-07 20:45:36 <ybenel> it worked
2020-12-07 20:45:43 <ybenel> very promising
2020-12-07 20:45:45 <geekosaur> that may just means it flickers a lot, if it's that poorly behaved
2020-12-07 20:46:04 <ybenel> thanks alot geekosaur
2020-12-07 20:53:39 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: Cheers. I have a forest of issues, commits and some pull request to go through.
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2020-12-07 22:42:28 <sfrique> is there anycommand to logout from command line?
2020-12-07 22:43:13 <sfrique> I am trying to using gridselection to suspend, logout and etc but can't see a good way of loging out, i may kill monad.. should work, but not pretty
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2020-12-07 22:48:45 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: Thank you, seems to work great! :)
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2020-12-07 22:57:52 <ybenel> sfrique: AppGrid = [("Item1", "commnad"), ('Quit', io exitSuccess)]
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2020-12-07 23:08:57 <sfrique> hmm, how do i call it?
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